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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 11, 2003 7:57:34 GMT -5
Hey all, just wanted to start a thread about some of your observations that you may have noticed. You know, the little things that make you go....hmmmm. I know that the gun swap is a huge one. If you want to put that on here, that's okay, but would prefer other items of interest that may have been missed. I'll start off with a few and see where it goes from there. 1st W.B. Yeats book in Patridge's pocket is smaller than the same one he's reading before being shot by Preston (still boggles my mind) 2nd I never noticed the cool Tetragrammaton insignia on the aluminum document containers until the 3rd time I watched it 3rd Tetragrammaton, meaning four-letter word for the Hebrew name of God, is reflected numerically in the movie. The Tetragrammaton insignia is the combination of 4 Ts 4thTo add to previous observation, the number 4 is also reflected in the number of partitions in the automatic doors. Namely, the one that Preston steps through before being "tested"... That's just for starters. I'm sure I'll think of more....
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 11, 2003 8:10:14 GMT -5
ummm, its early on Monday morning but
1. The exquisite camera work done on scenes such as the first time we see Preston get out of the car, and a beautiful pan shot to also see Partridge get out of the other side. (ALSO THE MUSIC DURING THIS AND MANY OTHER SCENES) And again when Brandt tries to shoot Mary and the camera shows the gun, then rotates to show that Preston was able to disrupt Brandt shot.
2. The way the sweepers look at each other after coming in the room that Preston cleans(1st scene)
3. The subtle 'facial expression' acting that Brandt does that shows he knows Preston is feeling
4.The fact that when Preston runs out of bullets, he reloads. He does not just keep shooting an endless clip, this adds so much realism to the movie.
5. When Preston goes to face Dupont, he has no weapons but still kicks a ton of ass.
6. The look on Dupont’s face after Preston deals with Brandt one last time.
7. Dupont tried to do a shylock I am a human too speech and Preston still shoots him
8. The costumes are subtle, well designed, but not over the top. From the Cleric Uniform to the training uniform to the sweeper uniform, The costumes are really amazing.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 11, 2003 9:37:20 GMT -5
I like that crunched budgets will tone down such things as uniforms and clothing that could otherwise become way too flamboyant...
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 11, 2003 11:07:17 GMT -5
I like that crunched budgets will tone down such things as uniforms and clothing that could otherwise become way too flamboyant... Exactly, sometimes, less is better
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Post by Trinity on Aug 11, 2003 21:40:52 GMT -5
Thank you! This is more what I had in mind when I started a new thread devoted to movies' flaws. They aren't always necessarily flaws, but observations. And always thought-provoking.
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Post by Trinity on Aug 11, 2003 21:49:35 GMT -5
When the Mona Lisa is burning, you can hear screaming. Each further time Preston sees Mary in her cell, her dress becomes more vivid in color. Near the end during a sword fight, I like when Preston slices a sword's sheath, which he then uses to kill one of the guards in DuPont's office. You can see Brandt's sliced-off face on the floor to the bottom right of the screen at the end of Preston's battle with DuPont. There are many more...
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 11, 2003 22:17:37 GMT -5
Awesome observation. Never realized Mona Lisa was screaming. I'll have to listen for that one I do recall the color becoming more vivid. I didn't see the sheat being cut, though..... Awesome! Awesome! Awesome! This was just what I was looking for in response. Thanks, Trinity...
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Post by JenGe on Aug 12, 2003 9:24:27 GMT -5
1. When Brandt takes Preston into Dupont, Preston is on his knees and it appears that the "atlas" statue is looking right at him.
2. When Preston first interrogates Mary the perfume bottle is almost like a chess piece. Preston pushes it towards her and then makes his intellectual move. Then Mary returns it in the same manner, grabbing his hand and making her move. They're both playing chess like mind games with each other.
3. When I saw Clockwork Orange (which happens to be Wimmer's favorite film) I realized that much of EQ is interrelated and paralleled to that film.
I'm sure I'll think of some more later...
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 12, 2003 10:36:47 GMT -5
mine are not as good as yours but
Notice the lighting transition on the faces of Preston and Partridge after the first action sequence. It is a wonderful depiction of good and evil. At first the lighting is on only their eyes, then its a well lit almost divine shot, then the burning and the flame shot that is pure evil. This is one of the most well done aspects of the movie. Playing good and evil apposed each other
Notice that the Tetra Grammaton uses Young Children to detect scene offenders out of a crowd
Notice that Jurgan is the first person standing and clapping after fathers motivational Libria speech
and all that great propaganda that is always in the background acting a s a wonderful soft narration to the scene i.e. when preston wakes up in the background you hear" awakin to triumph another day" and when he is rearranging his desk, the background is about "individuality and so on''
Although Prozium defeats emotion, it does not totally defeat things like greed and vanity. As you can see with Brandt.
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Post by pyro on Aug 12, 2003 11:36:31 GMT -5
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 12, 2003 11:59:29 GMT -5
The Cleric Cadillac has all the gauges covered in white. I guess there's no speed limit Cool car. If I were that ate up on EQ (having the money to boot), I'd have it ;D I'm slowly putting things together so that by next year, I can dress up as a cleric for Halloween...
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 12, 2003 12:14:11 GMT -5
Aha..!! In the beginning of the movie, when we first meet Robbie in front of the wall listening to Father's lectures, he calls Preston by his first name. Later on, you'll recall the bedroom scene where John is going to dispose of the Prozium and Robbie asks him what he's doing. When he goes to leave, Robbie says "Good night, dad.".... ;D
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 14:47:57 GMT -5
Awesome observation. Never realized Mona Lisa was screaming. I'll have to listen for that one I do recall the color becoming more vivid. I didn't see the sheat being cut, though..... Awesome! Awesome! Awesome! This was just what I was looking for in response. Thanks, Trinity... Thanks, Cleric Baltaak! I'm glad. Let's keep this going. ;D
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 14:54:38 GMT -5
Aha..!! In the beginning of the movie, when we first meet Robbie in front of the wall listening to Father's lectures, he calls Preston by his first name. Later on, you'll recall the bedroom scene where John is going to dispose of the Prozium and Robbie asks him what he's doing. When he goes to leave, Robbie says "Good night, dad.".... ;D Yes! You're right. Makes me think Robbie slipped up because he was tired. Or he sensed that Preston had ceased his dose. Good one!
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 15:04:57 GMT -5
The Cleric Cadillac has all the gauges covered in white. I guess there's no speed limit Cool car. If I were that ate up on EQ (having the money to boot), I'd have it ;D I'm slowly putting things together so that by next year, I can dress up as a cleric for Halloween... And I believe the car has no color in its tail lights. When it stops, there are no red brake lights. Cool Halloween costume idea!!! Hope you'll post photos. ;D
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 15:07:33 GMT -5
Notice that Jurgan is the first person standing and clapping after fathers motivational Libria speech Yours are good. Also, some of the Resistance Members who were later executed were in that crowd during Father's Libria speech.
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 15:08:46 GMT -5
When they flash back to the scene where Viviana Preston is arrested, the shots of her are in warm tones, while the shots of Preston are in cool tones.
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 12, 2003 15:21:18 GMT -5
One that everyone has noticed but worth mention is that Brandt already has his senior cleric uniforn on(black) when Preston comes to face Dupont.
"mind the uniforn cleric I plan to be wearing it for a while"
Its a great line because his vanity shows but he is then delt with so easily that the line really makes you giggle when you hear it again.
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Post by Trinity on Aug 12, 2003 15:54:14 GMT -5
One that everyone has noticed but worth mention is that Brandt already has his senior cleric uniforn on(black) when Preston comes to face Dupont. "mind the uniforn cleric I plan to be wearing it for a while" Its a great line because his vanity shows but he is then delt with so easily that the line really makes you giggle when you hear it again. Totally! Brandt is just so smug through the movie and his empty smile makes me want to slap it from his face. It's so great that he is killed by Preston so easily. What an ego on Brandt! Didn't get to wear that Grammaton Cleric First Class uniform long, did he? On the other hand, perhaps he ends up being buried in it.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 12, 2003 23:29:58 GMT -5
Totally! Brandt is just so smug through the movie and his empty smile makes me want to slap it from his face. It's so great that he is killed by Preston so easily. What an ego on Brandt! Didn't get to wear that Grammaton Cleric First Class uniform long, did he? On the other hand, perhaps he ends up being buried in it. You'd have to imagine it would be a closed-casket.....since he has NO FACE.....lol!!!
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Post by DDRcleric on Aug 12, 2003 23:42:49 GMT -5
You'd have to imagine it would be a closed-casket.....since he has NO FACE.....lol!!! HAHAHHA. well they could put his face back on. You see it staring at you on the ground. not much damaged. also it wouldnt be as bad as those sweepers that got their faces smashed in with the butt of prestons gun. ouch
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Post by skippythegator on Aug 13, 2003 0:24:08 GMT -5
they don't get buried, I think...they get incinerated...
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Post by DDRcleric on Aug 13, 2003 3:09:42 GMT -5
they don't get buried, I think...they get incinerated... yeah funerals are probably EC-10.
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Post by JenGe on Aug 13, 2003 9:27:04 GMT -5
This observation is actually not entirely mine but one that Wimmer mentions on the DVD...
The Clerics overcoat is somewhat representative of their armor. Wimmer didn't mention the following but I would then say that the under uniform would then be similar to something like chainmail or the padding that knights throughout history have worn.
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 13, 2003 11:32:48 GMT -5
This observation is actually not entirely mine but one that Wimmer mentions on the DVD... The Clerics overcoat is somewhat representative of their armor. Wimmer didn't mention the following but I would then say that the under uniform would then be similar to something like chainmail or the padding that knights throughout history have worn. Really interesting point there Jen, But I would imagine rather then a mail or plate type of armor, witch would be heavy and only protect from slash and stab wounds, but rather a modern Teflon Bullet Proof Vest/body armor, somewhat improved and very light weight, covering the chest and other vital parts, possibly the upper thighs, all critical points. A Gun Kata Armor that I would imagine if you stay on the path of Martial Arts, in some cases the Cleric would allow for a bullet trajectory to even hit him in the heavily armored area of his body, like a Karate Master would allow a blow to strike him in the chest or belly, in order to have a more effective counter move Great point though
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 13, 2003 11:50:58 GMT -5
Really interesting point there Jen, But I would imagine rather then a mail or plate type of armor, witch would be heavy and only protect from slash and stab wounds, but rather a modern Teflon Bullet Proof Vest/body armor, somewhat improved and very light weight, covering the chest and other vital parts, possibly the upper thighs, all critical points. A Gun Kata Armor that I would imagine if you stay on the path of Martial Arts, in some cases the Cleric would allow for a bullet trajectory to even hit him in the heavily armored area of his body, like a Karate Master would allow a blow to strike him in the chest or belly, in order to have a more effective counter move Great point though Kevlar is actually the best route for protection. Check out this site, specifically the Street -Tek Jacket... This could easily be transferred to the Cleric trenchcoat.. www.sarspack.com/pages/10/index.htm
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 13, 2003 12:08:41 GMT -5
NICE!
lol, I never thought they would make those, The best is that they call it the Tek, lol , This is straight out of a rap song.
I was thinking Teflon, because of Teflon tiped bullets that seem to be the future of small arms ammo.
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Post by MANIMAL on Aug 13, 2003 12:35:32 GMT -5
ok i have a question i dont know if this goes here but here you go.
If there is no emotion then why when the guy is giving his lil speech on the monitors everyone starts to clap after he is done .Doenst clapping show type of emotion.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 13, 2003 13:17:55 GMT -5
ok i have a question i dont know if this goes here but here you go. If there is no emotion then why when the guy is giving his lil speech on the monitors everyone starts to clap after he is done .Doenst clapping show type of emotion. Prozium only suppresses emotion. It does not erradicate it. Think of it as Paxil on steroids...
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Post by DDRcleric on Aug 13, 2003 14:23:13 GMT -5
ok i have a question i dont know if this goes here but here you go. If there is no emotion then why when the guy is giving his lil speech on the monitors everyone starts to clap after he is done .Doenst clapping show type of emotion. Its probably like the phrase "I'm sorry" they dont really mean it but it was a custom taught to them.
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