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Post by Cleric Janri on Aug 22, 2003 9:05:38 GMT -5
While watching EQ again last night I believe i picked up two new things, so forgive me if someone has already said em.
1) In the beginning when Father is giving his speech and he gets to the part about prozium, theres a small alarm and everyone stops at the same time to take it. But when it cuts back to the cleric's sitting in the car their watches go off and they dose up, but the people walking outside the car are going about their daily business. Does this mean the cleric's take much more prozium than the common man?
2) When Preston is dreaming of the day they came to get his wife. Everything is really lacking in vivid colors everything is dull except Viviana. When she runs over to him and kisses them, they both are in vivid color, and once again when the sweepers drag her out of the room, Preston is once again a dull color.
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Post by ClericRyan on Aug 22, 2003 9:59:34 GMT -5
1) In the beginning when Father is giving his speech and he gets to the part about prozium, theres a small alarm and everyone stops at the same time to take it. But when it cuts back to the cleric's sitting in the car their watches go off and they dose up, but the people walking outside the car are going about their daily business. Does this mean the cleric's take much more prozium than the common man? Interesting post, It makes me think of when Brandt says he "might get his interval adjusted" and Preston asks "are you expecting resistance." This shows to me that at time Clerics need more prozium then the average man, due to the fact they are killing a lot of people on a regular basis. Also to throw in on another topic covered here, I always just assumed the "T" stood for TetraGrammaton Never gave it anymore thought, good points you guys made. Also the Libria symbol, that looks somewhat like a swastika, TO ME from the moment I saw it, symbolized "EQUILIBRIUM" a cross with the same length at all sides, similar to the swastika but it looks like an symbol that represents "Equality" and "Conformity" and the lack of highs and lows my two cents |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 22, 2003 15:25:06 GMT -5
While watching EQ again last night I believe i picked up two new things, so forgive me if someone has already said em. 1) In the beginning when Father is giving his speech and he gets to the part about prozium, theres a small alarm and everyone stops at the same time to take it. But when it cuts back to the cleric's sitting in the car their watches go off and they dose up, but the people walking outside the car are going about their daily business. Does this mean the cleric's take much more prozium than the common man? No, they take Prozium twice a day just like everyone else. Here's why. The Alien watch has two faces, each set with an alarm for a different time of day. Imagine the left face alarm is set for 7am and the right face is set for 7pm. Each respective alarm would go off once a day for a total of 2 times with a 12hr gap between each. That's not to say that their dose is not stronger (based on their occupation), but they only dose twice a day, hence the handy dandy oh so randy Alien watch being used  |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 22, 2003 15:30:02 GMT -5
Interesting post, It makes me think of when Brandt says he "might get his interval adjusted" and Preston asks "are you expecting resistance." The question "are you expecting resistance" comes from the action of Brandt unholstering his weapon and putting it between him and the console... Bigger dose, yes. More intervals beyond two a day, no. I agree that it stands for Tetragrammaton. There are four "T"s used based on the meaning of the word Tetra (four). Does it symbolize 4 Councillaries (sp?), don't know.....hmmmmmm |
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Post by Cleric Janri on Aug 22, 2003 20:05:18 GMT -5
No, they take Prozium twice a day just like everyone else. Here's why. The Alien watch has two faces, each set with an alarm for a different time of day. Imagine the left face alarm is set for 7am and the right face is set for 7pm. Each respective alarm would go off once a day for a total of 2 times with a 12hr gap between each. That's not to say that their dose is not stronger (based on their occupation), but they only dose twice a day, hence the handy dandy oh so randy Alien watch being used Just watch that scene, then you'll see what I was trying to say. Whilst we're watching Preston and Errol dose up, no one else is. And something just dawned on me, someone had to be driving the car, why didn't their watch go off? Did he just drive with his knees while getting his dose ready and then injecting it? |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 23, 2003 15:55:27 GMT -5
Just watch that scene, then you'll see what I was trying to say. Whilst we're watching Preston and Errol dose up, no one else is. And something just dawned on me, someone had to be driving the car, why didn't their watch go off? Did he just drive with his knees while getting his dose ready and then injecting it? I understand what you're saying. The only thing I can think of is that the populace is on the "Master" alarm for dosing as this will point out anyone who is not taking it out in public. Since clerics work at all hours of the day (24/7 with shifts), then their intervals would need to be adjusted accordingly. I'm think that the majority of the population works a 9-5 job. And now that you bring it up, I have another... When Preston sits there and his alarm goes off, Mary asks if he's going to take his interval...If the majority of the population takes theirs when the big alarm goes off, how does she know what their alarm was for unless she knew a cleric personally??? Could be common knowledge, though.... |
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Post by sabeltandcavia on Aug 23, 2003 16:45:28 GMT -5
I noticed that before, that the clerics seem to take their dose at different times than the rest of the population. I too assume this has to do with their shifts and/or their dose being bigger..
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 26, 2003 10:36:55 GMT -5
Reading another post, I was hit with yet another observation... from Deimos in "most emotional scene thread"If you look at their uniforms, they are very much militaristic in nature, but observe the colors (actually, lack thereof) they use for their clerics.....black for the dirty work (visage of death) and white for ceremony. Totally devoid of color whatsoever. Even their weapons are black, with no visible color (not even metallic). The lettering used to identify their sidearms are white. Even the color that they use for those persecuted and scheduled for incineration are wearing red. Red is considered a color of neutrality in the role-playing world. Brandt wears gray, even down to his socks, which are visible when he is beating Preston publicly, saying "I told you I was going to make my career off of you"... This stands out through the entire film.... |
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Post by JenGe on Aug 26, 2003 11:05:10 GMT -5
Reading another post, I was hit with yet another observation... I think you make a great observation about the lack of color in EQ especially since colors are often representative of various emotions...blue=sadness, green=jealous, red= rage, etc. |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 26, 2003 15:50:45 GMT -5
I think you make a great observation about the lack of color in EQ especially since colors are often representative of various emotions...blue=sadness, green=jealous, red= rage, etc. Thanks, JenGe... Am I mistaken, or is Dupont wearing a dark blue tie with his suits..?? This would be an immediate indication of having emotions. It actually struck me the second time I saw it, having known that Dupont was feeling from the first viewing |
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Post by BMaloney on Aug 26, 2003 16:51:43 GMT -5
There's so many colour hints in the movie..
1. The black.. he wears black when he does his 'duties'. Devilish.. evil colours.
2. White, portraying an angel of sorts.. Ceremony.
3. Red/scarlet cloak and dress for Mary's execution. Royalty wore those colours in the 'good old days'.
4. In the scene where Vivianna Preston was taken away the one deliberate example was how she was totally in colour.. she radiated light and Preston was absolutely black and white. Once she kissed him, he had colour.
Kurt Wimmer has alot of tricks up his sleeve folks!
-Edit: Dupont wears a dark blue shirt and a metallic blue tie.. It's hard to tell but he does.
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Post by Trinity on Aug 26, 2003 19:33:34 GMT -5
If you look at their uniforms, they are very much militaristic in nature, but observe the colors (actually, lack thereof) they use for their clerics.....black for the dirty work (visage of death) and white for ceremony. Totally devoid of color whatsoever. Even their weapons are black, with no visible color (not even metallic). The lettering used to identify their sidearms are white. Even the color that they use for those persecuted and scheduled for incineration are wearing red. Red is considered a color of neutrality in the role-playing world. Brandt wears gray, even down to his socks, which are visible when he is beating Preston publicly, saying "I told you I was going to make my career off of you"... This stands out through the entire film.... This is a great observation. Very interesting, Cleric. I like your reference to Brandt's socks...I, too, noticed that. And the Cleric's car, the Cadillac; the tail lights are not any color. When the car stops, there are no red brake lights; I believe they glow white. I found this to be very unique.  |
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Post by Trinity on Aug 26, 2003 19:39:03 GMT -5
Am I mistaken, or is Dupont wearing a dark blue tie with his suits..?? This would be an immediate indication of having emotions. It actually struck me the second time I saw it, having known that Dupont was feeling from the first viewing You are not mistaken. DuPont is wearing a dark blue tie. It's a very dark blue and is subtle, a hint of the fact that DuPont is in fact feeling. "Are you PLAYING with me, Cleric?!" >>slams fist on table<< I love that part. I was thinking, HEY, the main man has emotions. That was anger. What's up with that? So hypocritical. And the ending confirmed my suspicion. I wasn't sure whether Preston was going to shoot DuPont at the end, when he admits to feeling. "I live, I breathe, I feel." And I so wanted him to slay DuPont. But when I saw Mary's face flash in Preston's mind, I knew the bullet would hit home and it did. "I'd pay it gladly." |
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Post by Deimos on Aug 27, 2003 6:36:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned (I did search for it across the 7 pages though and didn't find it)...
Did anyone else notice that the Clerics, whenever they were training or practising always held their hand in a kind of 'gun' position. You know, like when you used to run around pretending to be cowboys or whatever with your first two fingers and thumb making a pistol shape.
It just struck me during the sparring match between Preston and Brandt that Preston was holding his katana in one hand, and the other was in the gun shape. I looked right through the movie and the Clerics all do it whether at group practice or in the gun-kata display at the start - now *that's* dedication!
Deimos
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 27, 2003 6:43:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned (I did search for it across the 7 pages though and didn't find it)... Did anyone else notice that the Clerics, whenever they were training or practising always held their hand in a kind of 'gun' position. You know, like when you used to run around pretending to be cowboys or whatever with your first two fingers and thumb making a pistol shape. It just struck me during the sparring match between Preston and Brandt that Preston was holding his katana in one hand, and the other was in the gun shape. I looked right through the movie and the Clerics all do it whether at group practice or in the gun-kata display at the start - now *that's* dedication! Deimos I noticed the group doing gun-kata that they held their hands this way, and when Preston was starting his sword kata. I don't remember catching them doing that elsewhere, so I'll have to look. Thanks |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 27, 2003 6:52:53 GMT -5
"Are you PLAYING with me, Cleric?!" >>slams fist on table<< I love that part. I was thinking, HEY, the main man has emotions. That was anger. What's up with that? So hypocritical. And the ending confirmed my suspicion. Excellent scene. I think that in order to run a society like that, you would have to have your feelings intact. Think about automatons ruling automatons. When you get right to it, it wouldn't work. You would have to compare the upper echelon of Libria to that of the Middle Ages who were members of a knightly order. They most likely had to take vows so that their conduct, while emotionally charged, would be kept in check. So I can see why Dupont would have emotion. Look and listen to Father throughout the entire film. He, too, is given over to emotion: Pride. He is continuously praising the people of Libria (with a bit of EC-10 talk mixed in). |
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Post by BMaloney on Aug 27, 2003 10:13:50 GMT -5
His pride was a tactic he used to create effective propaganda.. Kinda funny actually.To run an emotionless society, you need emotion.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 27, 2003 10:15:21 GMT -5
His pride was a tactic he used to create effective propaganda.. Kinda funny actually.To run an emotionless society, you need emotion. Exactamundo..!! |
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Post by BMaloney on Aug 27, 2003 18:05:31 GMT -5
If only that was a real word!  |
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Post by Trinity on Aug 27, 2003 18:23:51 GMT -5
Excellent scene. I think that in order to run a society like that, you would have to have your feelings intact. Think about automatons ruling automatons. When you get right to it, it wouldn't work. You would have to compare the upper echelon of Libria to that of the Middle Ages who were members of a knightly order. They most likely had to take vows so that their conduct, while emotionally charged, would be kept in check. So I can see why Dupont would have emotion. Look and listen to Father throughout the entire film. He, too, is given over to emotion: Pride. He is continuously praising the people of Libria (with a bit of EC-10 talk mixed in). Great point! I was so involved when first watching EQ with the fact that emotions were outlawed, that when I saw the top dog showing such a strong emotion, I was puzzled. But you are right. An emotionless society will need to be run by those with feelings intact. How else would certain decisions be made, I wonder? |
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Post by Coolhand on Aug 29, 2003 16:59:31 GMT -5
Further proof that Bale kicks ass in ways you and I can only imagine: I was watching EQ about ten minuits, ago, saw something, hit pause and rushed on-line to post this. It's not a huge thing, but I've never noticed it before because it happens SO damn fast, but it's SO damn impressive. It's in the scene where the Sweepers take Prestons wife. First, Preston grabbes the rifle of sweeper one and throws him with it. Then, still holding the rifle of Sweeper 1, Preston knocks away the rifle of Sweeper 2 and slammes the rifle of Sweeper 1 against 2's throat. Right? Wrong.  Watch it in slow motion. I won't spoil it, but's it's so impressive that Bale just did that on the spot with no real training. The man has speed and reactions I would KILL for. P.S If everyone else has already seen this and it's old news, then sue me. I'm broke anyway. |
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Post by Trinity on Aug 29, 2003 18:18:29 GMT -5
It's in the scene where the Sweepers take Prestons wife. First, Preston grabbes the rifle of sweeper one and throws him with it. Then, still holding the rifle of Sweeper 1, Preston knocks away the rifle of Sweeper 2 and slammes the rifle of Sweeper 1 against 2's throat. Right? Wrong. Watch it in slow motion. I won't spoil it, but's it's so impressive that Bale just did that on the spot with no real training. The man has speed and reactions I would KILL for. P.S If everyone else has already seen this and it's old news, then sue me. I'm broke anyway. I have not seen this. Ooh, can't wait to go home and check this scene out in slow motion. Thanks for the tip, Coolhand!!! ;D |
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Post by Giusy on Aug 30, 2003 10:09:57 GMT -5
Further proof that Bale kicks ass in ways you and I can only imagine: I was watching EQ about ten minuits, ago, saw something, hit pause and rushed on-line to post this. It's not a huge thing, but I've never noticed it before because it happens SO damn fast, but it's SO damn impressive. It's in the scene where the Sweepers take Prestons wife. First, Preston grabbes the rifle of sweeper one and throws him with it. Then, still holding the rifle of Sweeper 1, Preston knocks away the rifle of Sweeper 2 and slammes the rifle of Sweeper 1 against 2's throat. Right? Wrong. Watch it in slow motion. I won't spoil it, but's it's so impressive that Bale just did that on the spot with no real training. The man has speed and reactions I would KILL for. P.S If everyone else has already seen this and it's old news, then sue me. I'm broke anyway. Hey Cool.... I did what you said..... and what I saw was absolutely amazing...... I haven't ever seen the switch... NEVER. Christian was REALLY great in that...... and his moves were so fast that I would never have noticed the swap if you hadn't told me. Great sight Coolhand!! Thanks.  |
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Post by EveDallas on Aug 30, 2003 10:48:40 GMT -5
I admit I had to watch the scene 3 times in slow motion until I understood what happened. And when I realised it, it was just like: HOW THE HELL DID HE DO THAT??? Truly amazing. Thanks so much for that information! -> With every time that I watch this movie, I adore Christian Bale more. But now that I`ve seen this, he went up to God level! |
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Post by Patriarch's Requiem on Aug 30, 2003 19:10:35 GMT -5
Any one notice that the sweepers got green armbands with the tetragrammaton symbol on it.
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Post by BMaloney on Aug 31, 2003 16:55:34 GMT -5
Yeah the sweepers before Father's office all had green armbands.. I think someone noticed that way back in the day.  |
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Post by xmarksthespot on Sept 1, 2003 4:19:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure whether these have already been posted elsewhere: 1. The perfume flask that Preston pushes across the desk towards Mary actually resembles a Prozium capsule: A small, thin glass container holding a yellow liquid. Only that this flask is "sensual" in every respect: An ornate thing, holding an alluring scent. Sort of like an essence embodying Sense Offence in its pure form, just like Prozium embodies sensual numbness. So when Mary pushes the flask back towards Preston, waiting for him to take the bait, it seems like she is offering him a kind of Forbidden Fruit, seducing him to have a taste of the emotional, sensual world. 2. Mary’s surname, O’Brien, is the name of an important character in George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four – a resistance member. 3. When Brandt interrupts Preston's training by parrying his blow, both swords form a black cross, with the handles under the figthers’ gloves forming two "T"s. To the camera, it's an almost perfect Tetragrammaton symbol! I bet there's more, if you go looking for them... |
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Post by JenGe on Sept 1, 2003 8:49:05 GMT -5
3. When Brandt interrupts Preston's training by parading his blow, both swords form a black cross, with the handles under the figthers’ gloves forming two "T"s. To the camera, it's an almost perfect Tetragrammaton symbol! I bet there's more, if you go looking for them... Kewl imagery!! Didn't notice that before...thanks!! |
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Post by BMaloney on Sept 1, 2003 11:49:50 GMT -5
Hehe that O'Brien thing is pretty uncanny.. It's just that he wasn't a resistance member.
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Post by xmarksthespot on Sept 1, 2003 12:02:14 GMT -5
Hehe that O'Brien thing is pretty uncanny.. It's just that he wasn't a resistance member. Well, he is presented as one at first. I didn't want to spoil. |
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