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Post by Trinity on Aug 21, 2003 14:03:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, JenGe IS Trinity in more than just looks. Hey, wait a minute! I'm Trinity!
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Post by Trinity on Aug 21, 2003 14:10:29 GMT -5
I would have to agree with ClericRyan and sabeltandcavia.
But as for the early testing of candidates, I don't think this would go on in Libria, because I see it as a male-based society. I think that Preston's daughter becoming a Cleric was not an option. Just my two cents. Thanks! ;D
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Post by Coolhand on Aug 21, 2003 16:29:49 GMT -5
Yeah, this could get real confusing real quick. JenGe is Trinity. Trinity is also Trinity. Carrie-Anne Moss is also Trinity. That's three people inhabiting the name Trinity. A Trinity of Trinity's!!!!!!! I think I'm on the verge of something profound here... According to a book an Iaido (Katana fast draw and strike martial art) that I'm reading, women tend to perfect the cutting technuiqes faster than the men, because they allow the sword to cut for them rather than many men who first try to strike the target with maxiumum strength rather than "guide" the sword and let the blade do it's work. I don't think this proves that women make better fighters in the long run, but it's food for thought about men/women might differ in thier approach to combat training. In the end, I think it probably comes down to the skills/training/experience and myriad other things of the indavidual. I suspect Gender plays a role, but a small one compared to the other factors.
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Post by Trinity on Aug 21, 2003 19:59:29 GMT -5
Yeah, this could get real confusing real quick. JenGe is Trinity. Trinity is also Trinity. Carrie-Anne Moss is also Trinity. That's three people inhabiting the name Trinity. A Trinity of Trinity's!!!!!!! I think I'm on the verge of something profound here... L.O.L., Coolhand! A Trinity of Trinity's. I like it!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Aug 21, 2003 21:10:47 GMT -5
Down and dirty...
Women are better than men at certain things, and men are better than women at certain things. This applies across all walks of life in any capacity. Libria is a male-dominated society where this potential is stamped out.
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Post by JenGe on Aug 22, 2003 6:40:36 GMT -5
A Trinity of Trinity's!!!!!!! I think I'm on the verge of something profound here... Nice call cleric. ;D
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Post by Trinity on Aug 30, 2003 20:41:44 GMT -5
I think Trinity from The Matrix would make a good Cleric. ;D
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Post by ClericEd on Aug 31, 2003 3:18:29 GMT -5
I agree, Libria is a totally male-dominated society, probably similar in essence to a Muslim society, where women are prohibited, (or simply not given the chance) to excell in anything.
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Post by BMaloney on Aug 31, 2003 14:09:36 GMT -5
I noticed this movie had a serious lack of anything female in it. Sure Vivianna Preston and Mary but what else? Nothing.. Perhaps Libria's ideology was somehow against female Clerics. But I think it would be sweet.. -correction: ubersweet- to see a female cleric. What would they be like? Any different from their male counterparts? Hmm...
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Post by devisun on Nov 18, 2003 17:12:49 GMT -5
Sorry about bringing up an old thread, but hey, I read something and have something to say, I need to say it.
I too think that it is a male-oriented society. And frankly I don't believe that females of any kind are held in high reguard.
I base my opinion on the one statement growled in disgust by Brant.
"He has had relations with a female." as though that was all that needed to be said about Preston's crimes.
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Post by BatEmanGirl on Nov 19, 2003 11:41:33 GMT -5
I noticed the lack of women in the movie, and especially about being clerics. I agree with some who said that’s because Libria is a male dominated society, you just have to notice that there is a Father… but the Mother? Where is she?, who is she? Does she exist?. Probably one reason to know why women can’t be clerics (it’s suppossed they can’t be clerics) is because they’re more emotional than men. We are the sensibility genre it is said. We are intuitive, but, notice this: Preston is a intuitive guy, so… this could be the reaosn why he finally fight against the Father and all. Trhe only women there are in the movie are all in the resistance band finally: Mary, Preston’s daughter (it seems) and Preston’s wife and when he’s with Jurgen, there are some women with them too. pd: A simple question if someone can help me: how do I post a picture here on the board?, I mean not making a link out of here to view it
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Post by JenGe on Nov 19, 2003 11:54:45 GMT -5
pd: A simple question if someone can help me: how do I post a picture here on the board?, I mean not making a link out of here to view it Use the "img" button just above the "message" box where you type. This will generate a code using [] &[/]. Paste your image addie where it says "TEXT". TIP - some image tags need to have caps...ie "JPG" not "jpg"
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Post by Redbaron on Nov 20, 2003 13:08:13 GMT -5
Then again, Libria is a totally sanitized, un-sexed, equality-through-identical society as well, so although Clerics may not be a preffered job for women, at least it won't be strange to see some of them around who qualified the trainings.
I will give you an example: have anybody seen the anime Jin-Roh? Based on the comic books titled Legend of the Wolf-Dog, it features an alternative Japan where martial law is tightened and clashes between resistant forces and the army is bloody and common. There is a special troop, armed entirely from head to toe, complete with gas mask and helmet and all, heavily armed, which successfully wipes out the resistance. Now over and over it is empathyzed that those soldiers are not humans, they are "wolves," that they shouldn't possess emotions and love to function as good soldiers. (They don't exactly drug themselves or something, but those who are too 'human' often end up injured or dead as a result of being too nice.) Although a majority of these soldiers are male, there are a few female soldiers as well. They are not macho or anything, (the two I've seen so far both have long hair and are soft-spoken) but they are not treated as sexual or particularly emotional beings neither in context of the story, nor in the description of them. In fact their roles in the squad do not differ at all from the men-there's even a female squad leader-and with everybody armed all over, it's different to tell who's who anyway, so these are examples of female soldiers as asexual figures, just purely soldiers.
So I guess some of the Clerics can be female, most of the Librian women dressed up not so different from men anyway, and in the context that the best soldier can be anybody. In that terms, I don't think female Clerics can make things more complicated (Besides, who's gonna be in the "Grammaton Nun Monthly"?) provided they are not romantic objects. The possibility isn't entirely deniable, I think. Besides, it's somehow cool imagining women doing Gun Kata. I do agree that some recent Hollywood representations of [female warriors] are somewhat...well...they look sexy, they dress sexy, but they fight and act macho. It's like an awkwardly hypersexualized thing. Maybe it's the way they fight, or something else, but I don't think female fighters in Kung Fu movies were masculine, regardless of what they wore.
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on May 29, 2005 2:21:01 GMT -5
I NEVER SEEN A FEMALE CLERIC IN THE MOVIE EITHER, BUT I HEAR THAT KURT WIMMER IS GONNA MAKE A SEQUEL AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE FEMALE CLERICS AND I HAVE A GOOD ACTRESS TO PLAY ONE, LEXA DOIG (ANDROMEDA) WOULD BE A GOOD ACTRESS TO PLAY THE PART...
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Post by JenGe on May 29, 2005 12:05:30 GMT -5
...BUT I HEAR THAT KURT WIMMER IS GONNA MAKE A SEQUEL... Nope, currently there is no sequel for EQ in the works.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on May 30, 2005 9:40:02 GMT -5
Nope, no sequel and a disturbing use of caps.
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Post by Libby on May 30, 2005 10:24:17 GMT -5
Nope, no sequel and a disturbing use of caps. Very true...(maybe his 'caps lock' key is stuck!) but I still don't think the name's that appropriate, even for an R-rated site.
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Post by JenGe on May 30, 2005 10:45:52 GMT -5
Nope, no sequel and a disturbing use of caps. Very true...(maybe his 'caps lock' key is stuck!) but I still don't think the name's that appropriate, even for an R-rated site. Hey Libby, check your PM...
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on May 30, 2005 22:01:47 GMT -5
CHUD.COM
S.J.R.: You mentioned a possible Equilibrium sequel. Is that strictly a financial decision on the studio's part whether that's going to happen?
Kurt: I'll bet you money they'll make a second one. It'll probably be straight-to-video, I don't know, but they're not thinking of it now, but I'll bet you they will and it'll be horrible.
S.J.R.: But your involvement will be nil?
Kurt: Yeah, I have no interest. It's one of those things that I don't think requires a sequel. The ideas I like in the movie, I will take them and I will continue them – maybe not quite so specifically, but there's a whole history and depth to the gunkata that I didn't even get to scratch the surface of in Equilibrium because I just didn't have the time or the money to do it, but I have just so many ideas that I think are super-cool that are based in that sort of realm that I want to put in a number of films.
So really we dont know if theres a sequel but Kurt said it himself that he bet money that it will come out...
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Post by MisterAnderson on May 30, 2005 22:53:08 GMT -5
I NEVER SEEN A FEMALE CLERIC IN THE MOVIE EITHER, BUT I HEAR THAT KURT WIMMER IS GONNA MAKE A SEQUEL AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE FEMALE CLERICS AND I HAVE A GOOD ACTRESS TO PLAY ONE, LEXA DOIG (ANDROMEDA) WOULD BE A GOOD ACTRESS TO PLAY THE PART... Looks like you not only heard wrong, but you read wrong as well. That transcript states in black and white Kurt will not be doing a sequel.
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Post by JenGe on May 31, 2005 11:05:36 GMT -5
So really we dont know if theres a sequel but Kurt said it himself that he bet money that it will come out... I know all about that quote from Wimmer and I also know that currently there is no sequel for Equilibrium. Dimension/Miramax buried this film. Believe me that at this time there is no sequel announced or in the works. That could change at sometime but as of now it has not. Nothing is planned...nothing is pending... But believe whatever you want...
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Post by wtf on May 31, 2005 13:08:42 GMT -5
It is therefore always more likely for a young male to be more driven towards that kind of training, then a young female. I mean I played with two guns and my sister played with Barbie dolls when we were kids. Not to be cliché but that’s the way it was. I would have tried out for the monestary, but my sister would not have in a million years. As the only little girl in second grade with a Star Wars lunchkit, I'd like throw in some observations here. I think it depends on the parents, and the extended family. Family tends to give gender oriented toys to kids, which push the idea. There is a sort of unconsious support to a girl to play with dolls and boys to play with cars. It was wierd when observing my coworker's family. When his niece was born, they instantly attached a bow on the girl's head to identify her gender. And when they went to football games, they bought her a little cheerleader outfit, and the nephew got the football helmet and jersey. (editorial note: ick) How my brother and I grew up was that my Mom bought us the kind of stuff we shown interest in. And if my brother got a Tonka cement mixer, I'd get upset if I didn't get the dump truck. I don't know if I'm atypical, or whether having the choice of both "camps" of toys acted as an influence for me to be the type of gal that can take aikido, watch action flicks, and then turn around and go fabric shopping. But I wouldn't have it any other way. I'll be damned if I get banished to a life of housework and chick flicks. ;D
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Post by bikemama on Jun 3, 2005 8:42:37 GMT -5
Well, the world's changing and we are changing with it. The line between men and women and their behaviour and personality is getting thinner. In clothing, work, salaries (!?), and.... interests. Men are getting more sensitive and on the other side, women are getting tougher. It's not a problem, between certain boundaries. So in a world like this, it's useless to make a child a 100% girl or a 100% boy. Just let THEM choose their toys and clothes.....let them feel comfortable. I was 14, when I wore a skirt for the last time, and I'm still a woman.....:-)
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Post by Libby on Jun 4, 2005 6:55:04 GMT -5
Provided parents and society don't try to pigeon-hole boys/girls/men/women through gender-biased actions, then people will do what they want and be comfortable with it.
I'm one of the older ones here, but when I was a child I had both dolls and guns/bow and arrows (the dolls usually ended up being shot at!).
My two (older boy/younger girl) shared toys with equanimty. If my daughter wanted to play with Barbie that was fine. She would dress her up, then strap her to a mountain bike and ride with the boys!
If we as adults don't make an issue of it, then it becomes irrelevant. I've said this before somewhere, but my daughter is a Lance Corporal in her school's CCF (Combined Cadet Force) Army Section.
She has a First Class rifle shooting certificate and enjoys the whole assault course/night exercise/getting down and muddy thing, yet she is just as 'girly' as the next female; loves dressing up and partying; adores Johnny Depp and Will Smith; screams with the rest at Good Charlotte gigs...and the most important piece of kit in her army rucksack...even when she's in the middle of a field on patrol at 2-00am...is her mascara and lipgloss!
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jun 4, 2005 7:44:26 GMT -5
As a small note, just to repeat, both myself and Libby have used female Clerics in our derivative fiction based on Equilibrium.
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Post by Libby on Jun 5, 2005 16:13:02 GMT -5
As a small note, just to repeat, both myself and Libby have used female Clerics in our derivative fiction based on Equilibrium. *grins*.... I think there are times Kyra Flynn wishes she were a fully-fledged Cleric, but my Libria doesn't allow women to hold that elite post. She uses a modified version of the Katas which has only one gun...primarily for her back-up role. ;D
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jun 6, 2005 10:31:08 GMT -5
Ok. I used a female Cleric and you used a half-one *G*
See now if Kara were in 'Ashes' timeline, she could be a female Cleric *WEG*
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Post by Libby on Jun 6, 2005 12:11:56 GMT -5
Ok. I used a female Cleric and you used a half-one *G* See now if Kara were in 'Ashes' timeline, she could be a female Cleric *WEG* *grins*...and Tara Knight would be toast if she went anywhere near Preston!! ;D
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jun 7, 2005 9:31:38 GMT -5
You know I nearly actually killed off Tara in Ashes, lol.
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Post by BlackDragon on Jul 6, 2005 8:14:30 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm atypical, or whether having the choice of both "camps" of toys acted as an influence for me to be the type of gal that can take aikido, watch action flicks, and then turn around and go fabric shopping. But I wouldn't have it any other way. I'll be damned if I get banished to a life of housework and chick flicks. ;D I couldn't say better!!! Consider yourself with an aypical friend here There could be a hundred reasons why we don't see cleric females in the movie, and most of them were allready mention! I guess that asking Kurt will be the best thing to do in order to understand this issue. But of one thing i'm certain, if I could I will enter the monastery and be a cleric not an evil one of course hehe All this discutions about men women/women men are very relative! I think a woman would be a cleric as good as a man, couse women can fight as good as men, without being as stong as them, and there are very strong women out there!! Genetic diferences aren't all, training, will and the love for, for exemple, a martial art is. I pratice martial arts for more than 10 years and in this time I had the oportunity to see and experience diferent things. But I never felt I was weaker than my men fellows or that I get tired faster than them couse most of the times it was otherwise. Is people's mind that put conditions in the way of seeing things and some of those are very wrong.
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