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Post by JenGe on Apr 9, 2003 6:11:07 GMT -5
Actually the only time I began to think that the guns were switched "before" the execution was when the topic was brought up here. I saw the film 6 times in the theater and the only swap I ever picked up on was the execution one. Like I said...maybe I'm missing something...I really have to see it again...
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Post by mothman on Apr 14, 2003 16:49:48 GMT -5
a gun IS swapped preston has his gun in his left hand, brandt hands preston his gun which is accepted with his right hand... their is a pause where preston looks around the room and then to the prisoners and the lead prisoner shakes his head. And then preston hands back A GUN in his left hand.
its quite plain to see when your looking for it...
another error i noticed with the guns...
when preston is smashing them all with the butts of his guns, we see close ups of the butts and their is NO cleric name or serial number on them like brandt sees at the end before he is "INCINERATED" (LOL)
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Post by JenGe on Apr 14, 2003 20:50:21 GMT -5
Ok, I didn't ask this question at the Q&A for a number of reasons that I really don't want to expound on right now. Here are a few more items of interest to the discussion though.
1. When I saw the film on Saturday I noticed that at both the "car" section and "execution" segment you could make out words at the bottom of the guns. Possibly names but because it went so fast I'll have to wait until I can freeze the frame. I'm not sure if a bootleg will be good enough to read it.
*********Spoiler*************** 2. I have a version of the script but not sure which. I haven't even been able to find the "execution" segment in it. It's definitely not listed in the section where it is located in the film.
Another interesting note is that just before Brandt is dragged off the flashback listed here is the one at the "car."
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Post by mothman on Apr 15, 2003 14:12:05 GMT -5
I have a freeze frame of the gun butt from the pistol whip scene up right now... although i cant capture it cuz windows is stupid... (the bootleg i have is HIGH quality) and it is just a flat surface
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Post by pyro on Apr 15, 2003 22:58:57 GMT -5
(the bootleg i have is HIGH quality) where did you get a high quality copy of EQ?
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Post by NoS on Apr 16, 2003 0:50:42 GMT -5
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Post by BMaloney on Apr 16, 2003 23:38:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I have the second half of that quality version, though it's fullscreen. I'm still waiting on George to get back to me on the first half.. It's actually really nice! Did you know that DuPont wore a blue shirt and tie? I would have never known that..
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Post by mothman on Apr 18, 2003 2:26:41 GMT -5
k another thing i noticed while viewing the action scenes again today on the screener
about the butts of the guns
their are three different inconsistent close ups
1. The Pistol whip scene, We see a close up of a gun butt that is flat and can have protrusions come out of it.
2. The "Brandt is a FAKE idiot scene" We see brandt look at prestons gun that he has.
3. The "Not without incident scene" we see preston huck the extra ammo down the hall and when he puts them in he has little bulbs at the end from the ammo clips.
Ok the first one makes me wonder how ammo gets IN the gun (its a flat surface)
I could go on
IM a TOTAL NITPICK
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Post by JenGe on Apr 18, 2003 16:59:16 GMT -5
I held one of the guns used in the film and I hate to break it to ya but its fake. (light weight plastic like a squirt gun) I'm sure there were some real ones used as well though. I just wanted the chance to tease ya.
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Post by Shepherd on Apr 18, 2003 18:15:40 GMT -5
The Gun was swapped before the puppy was ever picked up by Preston. If you recall that moment of conversasion when Tay Diggs character asked Preston about the book he was holding, and why he didn't leave it for the evidentiary team to take care of. That was when he swapped the pistols. Remember that it was Preston that gave Brandt his pistols and loaded up his ammo. The reason why he did that was because of what happened to Preston's previous partner. He suspected that something was going to happen to him soon as it did to Cleric Partridge. I hope that clarifies things. There was no error on the script.
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Post by Zamboni on Apr 19, 2003 1:23:43 GMT -5
The theory that the puppy scene come after the switch has one flaw: Preston used two guns when he shot the sweeper team. It is very clear (I watched 3 times) that Brandt gave Preston only one gun.
I think the only possible explanation for the switch to work is that Preston killed another team... Sometime after the switch. (perhaps right before he ran all the way down the street)
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Post by Tzen on Apr 19, 2003 10:29:47 GMT -5
I can live with the fact that the gun swap does, or was originally supposed to take place at the car before the puppy scene. He just switches them back at the execution scene. This may be a bit sloppy or iffy with the fact that they each have two guns and the swap before the executions was emphasized, but even I'm not that much of a picky bastard. If it was in the script, it's good enough for me. Thanks, Jen!
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Post by JenGe on Apr 19, 2003 14:37:45 GMT -5
Hey Tzen, since it'll take me awhile to actually get the script on site here is the section...
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Post by badge468 on Jul 9, 2003 14:04:00 GMT -5
Preston would have to switch 2 guns. He pulled 2 pistols during the fight over the dog.
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Post by JenGe on Jul 9, 2003 14:17:34 GMT -5
Preston would have to switch 2 guns. He pulled 2 pistols during the fight over the dog. Either there is a glitch in the Matrix or you are repeating yourself...would you like me to point out the other "Gun Swap" threads?? ;D
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 12, 2003 14:18:38 GMT -5
Hey, new member I am. Just wanted to add my piece about the gun thing. I noticed this too sometime after watching it the second time. I agree and noticed that he is handed the gun in his right hand in the execution scene and this hand falls by his right side, and the only thing he does is switch to automatic then back to safe...you see how he looks at the firing squad...then when he looks at the guy in the resistance, this guy shakes his head...you can't save us, save yourself.
then he hands back the gun in the left hand. and the way preston is looking at brandt there, is trying to be resolute wondering if he notices he game him back the wrong hand.
anyway as for an editing mistake, i wrote down all the Nether scenes and the scenes prior to entering the nether. there are 3 entrances to the nether for Ec-10 or resistance fighters. the first is for mary obrien. the second Brandt comes into the Cleric office in front of Preston and puts a paper on his desk and says resistance fighters hold up in the Nether, this goes to the dog-pen scene, the next entrance into the Nether (i mean them together as a team, not when preston goes to loose dog) he comes and meets preston practicing with the sword and tells him at the end there is a raid. this goes to execution scene.
in the sword fight scene brandt speaks of the murders, and tells of a raid and they go to raid. this scene cannot be placed before the dog scene. because the murders havent happened yet.
what i am gettin at is that each time they go for resistance fighters, Brandt tells Preston they are going, so for it to have been an editing error, it can't only have been a mistake that the dog scene came before the execution scene...because we would need another totally different scene of Brandt briefing Preston on a raid.
i know thats confusing, suffice to say i dont think its editing. guess its just a hole. or not properly explained enough in the movie. because since they are setting up Preston, remember in the arresting scene of Preston Brandt is the one who says "check the gun blah blah" because he knows that Preson switched the guns, HOWEVER, PRESTON does not know that he knows...and if you see Preston says nothing afterwards as they check the gun, I'm fairly certain he is surprised the gun matched Brandt.
Cause remember, matching Brandts or Prestons or not, they wanted it to look like what ever scheming Preston had done, that he had won. thats why i dont think its really a plot hole either.
woooo...
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Post by Trinity on Jul 12, 2003 22:09:58 GMT -5
Cause remember, matching Brandts or Prestons or not, they wanted it to look like what ever scheming Preston had done, that he had won. thats why i dont think its really a plot hole either. woooo... Yes! I agree wholeheartedly. ;D
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 13, 2003 7:46:37 GMT -5
thank you... ;D
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Post by Makotsu on Jul 14, 2003 17:40:18 GMT -5
hey, could someone explain to me what exactly the problem was with the gun swap? i dont notice one.....
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 14, 2003 18:37:41 GMT -5
my friend if you noticed nothing, do not bother. its nothing
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Post by JenGe on Jul 14, 2003 18:48:15 GMT -5
my friend if you noticed nothing, do not bother. its nothing Bahahahah!!! The best answer I've seen yet!!! High five!!
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 15, 2003 16:26:30 GMT -5
Cruis <------ *high 5's* his EQ friend.
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Post by Makotsu on Jul 16, 2003 21:27:26 GMT -5
so i guess im better off not going back to the movie to see the problem eh? =P
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 17, 2003 0:51:28 GMT -5
problem? what problem?
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Post by Balehead on Jul 17, 2003 19:26:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, what you don't know can't hurt you. It's really no big deal- the movie is awesome anyway.
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Post by Balefan22 on Jul 18, 2003 7:53:48 GMT -5
I never really noticed that there was a screw up in the movie. It's sort of a minor thing so try not to get all over Wimmer's nerves just to tell him about a little scene.
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Post by pyro on Jul 24, 2003 23:41:26 GMT -5
are we now forgetting the framing theory?
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Post by Cruis.In on Jul 25, 2003 8:15:23 GMT -5
apparantly.
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Post by GunKata Sensei on Jul 29, 2003 7:12:58 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble but that theory of the gun swap being a mistake is itself a mistake.
Preston shoots the sweeper team because he has to. Later, in the factory raid he beats to death the other soldiers as opposed to killing them 'cos he knows that he would then certainly be traced via the bullets and his verifiable presence at the location (with the previous sweeper team he can always so he was elsewhere and how would anyone say otherwise).
In the execution scene, Brandt gives Preston the perfect opportunity for Preston to get rid of his own gun.
Hence,
1. saves dog 2. goes out to Nether to get rid of dog 3. sweeper team arrives and gets shot 4. raid on factory 5. Preston beats to death a bunch of guys knowing his bullets have already been found in other Librian soldiers but this time, he is at the scene in front of others. 6. Preston takes the oportunity given to him by Brandt to switch the guns.
therefore - no hole in the script.
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Post by ClericRyan on Jul 29, 2003 8:20:01 GMT -5
thank you GunKata Sensei
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