Tzen
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Post by Tzen on Mar 30, 2003 20:55:58 GMT -5
I think I figured it out! I believe it is an editing error. I think the dog scene was originally meant to come AFTER the execution scene. If you notice, he doesn't shoot anyone when he's attempting to rescue the soon-to-be-executed sense offenders. He just breaks their limbs like twigs and busts their faces with those nasty things in the gun handles. This shows that he knows he can't shoot them or he will be detected. The "sweeper team" Brandt refers to is probably the group Preston kills in the Nether when he's going to set the dog free. If this scene takes place after the swap, it would make sense why he feels free to shoot them, and shoot them he does.
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Post by BMaloney on Mar 30, 2003 21:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by Spider AL on Mar 30, 2003 21:09:46 GMT -5
Yep, if it was an unintentional error that causes this continuity breach, that misplaced scene would be the most probable error, in my opinion. I wonder if Wimmer will answer the question at any point.
The front page says Wimmer will be at a convention, doesn't it? Is anyone going? Could anyone ask Wimmer about this and see what he says? Maybe he could fix it on the DVD.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 30, 2003 21:33:02 GMT -5
The front page says Wimmer will be at a convention, doesn't it? Is anyone going? Could anyone ask Wimmer about this and see what he says? Maybe he could fix it on the DVD. Yea, I'll be there but I can't make any promises. I'll give you guys a full report when I get back. |
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Post by BMaloney on Mar 30, 2003 21:37:48 GMT -5
Yay to that! All hail the EQ 'god'!
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Tzen
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Post by Tzen on Mar 30, 2003 21:45:48 GMT -5
I think you mean, 'goddess'.  |
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Post by JenGe on Mar 30, 2003 21:49:12 GMT -5
What would a female "cleric" be called?? I could just be a Priestess.  |
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Post by Spider AL on Mar 31, 2003 9:11:39 GMT -5
Good question Jen... After checking out the old dictionary.com, cleric is derived from clergy (that is to be ordained in the christian church), so I guess since a wodge of christian churches are up to date enough to have women priests now, there could well be women clerics in the future, and they'd probably be called clerics too. If there were, I guess they wouldn't even have a separate monastery either, cause they'd all be on prozium etc. ;D Besides, cleric sounds better than Tetragrammaton Nun.  |
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Post by BMaloney on Mar 31, 2003 16:00:28 GMT -5
I actually think Tetragrammaton Nun sounds cool! Hmm.. I think they would be called clerics also.. |
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Post by JenGe on Mar 31, 2003 17:57:40 GMT -5
I actually think Tetragrammaton Nun sounds cool! You would...  Here are some Thesaurus ideas
Cleric @ Dictionary.comabbot, archbishop, archdeacon, bible-beater, bishop, chaplain, churchman, clergyman, cleric, clerical, clerk, confessor, curate, deacon, dean, diocesan, divine, ecclesiastic, glory roader, gospel pusher, lecturer, missionary, monk, padre, parson, pastor, preacher, preacher man, prelate, priest, psalm singer, pulpiteer, rector, reverend, saddlebag preacher, shepherd, sin hound, sky pilot, vicarNun @ Dictionary.comabbess, anchorite, canoness, hood, mother superior, postulant, prioress, religious woman, sister, vestal, vestal virgin
Huuummm....well...... "vestal virgin" is out.... prioress sounds cool though. I think I'll change my title here to "Grammaton Cleric Prioress." |
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Post by BMaloney on Mar 31, 2003 18:22:24 GMT -5
Prelate is actually rather entertaining also! Prelate Maloney and Cleric Maloney sound the same to me.. ;D Speaking of which, Jen check your email! |
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Post by JenGe on Mar 31, 2003 18:28:36 GMT -5
Pulpiteer gives me the image of a swordsman having a stab at a book. Sky pilot ....?? Grammaton Sky pilot?? Checking it now.... |
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Post by BMaloney on Mar 31, 2003 18:30:21 GMT -5
Sky pilot? Hmph! What's that there for  |
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Leslie
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Post by Leslie on Apr 1, 2003 13:41:28 GMT -5
Or what if it was just something they did while He wasn't looking to fool him into thinking that when Brandt is arrested it is real..thus bringing them closer to Preston getting in the resistance.
Ahh the deceptions...
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Tzen
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Post by Tzen on Apr 4, 2003 21:03:45 GMT -5
Well, I've been thinking about this, and, now, I think the flaw is much deeper. I think it's actually a writing/filming incident. After the puppy scene, Brandt and Preston have the heated spar where Brandt questions him about those murders and then tells him to get ready for the raid where the executions take place. It is not simply a matter of swapping a few scenes around.
However, I think it must be said that EQ is an AWESOME movie, and I will certainly be scooping up the DVD. I don't want this to come off as criticism. The fact that I feel the need to look into this so intently shows how much I like it.
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Post by pyro on Apr 6, 2003 15:41:53 GMT -5
but since Kurt had so much editing freedom, do you think he waould leave something like that in there?
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Post by NoS on Apr 6, 2003 18:01:47 GMT -5
Prior to the dog execution scene, Preston hands Brandt the gun that was laying on the car. I think that would be a place where he made the swap.
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Post by Tez on Apr 6, 2003 18:07:07 GMT -5
WEll remember now that brandt says "if your weapon's low plase use mine" so maybe it's not out of place maybe his cartriges were empty, i mean the one in the gun and his reloader. He probably doesn't kill the men because he doesn't want to alert the other sweepers.
Also there are more than 1 sweeper teams, he was alone when he killed the first one
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Post by JenGe on Apr 7, 2003 9:45:22 GMT -5
Tes your thoughts run the same with mine but these guys here are just starting to confuse me now. When I talk to my teen son he makes it even worse. Was that the 1st switch or was there on at the car?? Did the guns get switched back at that scene I really think we need a flow chart. Where's my Excedrine??!! |
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Post by JenGe on Apr 7, 2003 9:46:47 GMT -5
BTW, NoS & Tes, I want to welcome both of you and thank you for adding your thoughts!!
JenGe
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Post by JenGe on Apr 7, 2003 9:48:03 GMT -5
but since Kurt had so much editing freedom, do you think he waould leave something like that in there? Maybe we're just missing something...I really have to see EQ again...Oh that's right..Saturday!!! ;D |
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Post by BMaloney on Apr 7, 2003 17:14:52 GMT -5
I just watched a version of the movie.. It's high quality and all and at the firing squad scene, brandt hands Preston his gun in preston's right hand. Preston then gives brandt the gun in his left hand. That's definite, I saw it with my own eyes.
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Post by Spider AL on Apr 7, 2003 17:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah BMaloney, when I saw it again at the weekend I paid close attention... but he could easily have holstered "his own" weapon and given Brandt the other in any hand he liked, the shot just doesn't show what his other hand is doing clearly.
Actually, if you take it for granted that Preston switches the guns before the dog-pen scene, and that the firing squad scene is unconnected other than the cool, pertinent line Preston says, any discontinuity goes away.
So I'm going to imagine that's factual from now on. ;D
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Post by JenGe on Apr 7, 2003 18:02:21 GMT -5
Sure, Spider but isn't the execution the segment they flash back to right before they hall off Brandt??
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Post by NoS on Apr 7, 2003 21:09:57 GMT -5
Yeah BMaloney, when I saw it again at the weekend I paid close attention... but he could easily have holstered "his own" weapon and given Brandt the other in any hand he liked, the shot just doesn't show what his other hand is doing clearly. Actually, if you take it for granted that Preston switches the guns before the dog-pen scene, and that the firing squad scene is unconnected other than the cool, pertinent line Preston says, any discontinuity goes away. So I'm going to imagine that's factual from now on. ;D It would explain that Preston hands his own gun basically back to Brandt, saying "In the end, it'd be better if you have it". It would make sense methinketh. Also, since Brandt was looking at Preston, it'd be rather inconceivable to have Preston switch guns right in front of Brandt during the firing squad without him noticing. |
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Post by Tez on Apr 8, 2003 0:01:22 GMT -5
Okay so i downloaded the movie off the net cuz it was way too good to pass, and to try to solve the problem. OKAY HERE IT IS...................................................................................... .......................................................................................... .......................................................................................... .............. Preston does switch it in the execution scene. Brandt "cleric if your weapon is low please use mine," he then hands his gun to preston to preston's right hand and after Preston"No, in the end i think it'll be better if u have it," Preston hands Brandt the gun on his left hand..  and as for the issue of how he could have if brandt was looking straight at him, well the tension is pretty high and the way Preston hands the gun back all play into it. (Modifed to remove problem - JenGe) |
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Post by Spider AL on Apr 8, 2003 12:18:11 GMT -5
Erm, Jen, could you edit the endless periods out of Tezzy's post, it's ruining my browser width! Bmaloney, exactly what I was thinking. Jen, it seems to me that the line preston says was the reason it flashed back to that scene. It's a bit of a pointer, as dialogue goes, and it's rather atmospheric. |
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Post by BMaloney on Apr 8, 2003 16:55:25 GMT -5
Goodness, Jen, PLEASE modify that post. It's screwing up my browser too! I would just like to state again, the gun switch WAS at the execution scene.
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Post by JenGe on Apr 8, 2003 18:27:43 GMT -5
Your wish is my command....
I think when it comes to the gun switch Occam's razor is best applied.
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Tzen
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Post by Tzen on Apr 8, 2003 20:30:32 GMT -5
It's always been clear that the guns were swapped before the executions. If you assume, naturally, that Preston took Brandt's gun and gave Brandt his, the issue is that Preston didn't kill anyone after the swap. Why would the trace show that the sweeper team was murdered with Brandt's weapon when the much-imphasized switch took place after Preston killed the sweepers?
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