Xyon
Resistance Member
Bestest
Posts: 35
|
Post by Xyon on Oct 28, 2003 21:09:37 GMT -5
When preston is tracing his hands against the wall with bullet holes, there is light coming out(leading him to go into the room) Yet when he enters that room, all the lights are off, and there is nothing in there to be creating the light he noticed.
Small thing, but i noticed it while watching the film again today
(this is the scene with the snow globe/music etc)
|
|
|
Post by Cleric Baltaak on Oct 29, 2003 15:31:40 GMT -5
When preston is tracing his hands against the wall with bullet holes, there is light coming out(leading him to go into the room) Yet when he enters that room, all the lights are off, and there is nothing in there to be creating the light he noticed. Small thing, but i noticed it while watching the film again today (this is the scene with the snow globe/music etc) Very true....as though it were daylight on the other side of the wall Good catch...
|
|
|
Post by MAX on Dec 17, 2003 2:33:22 GMT -5
Mentioned before.
|
|
|
Post by Kodanshi on Dec 18, 2003 11:59:24 GMT -5
Anti-Islamic??
I didn't really search for such a notion deep down, but a lot of this jumped out at me: Wimmer's views on The Taliban and their destruction of Art. Many people still mistakenly believe Islam to have caused all sorts of burning of libraries, etc.
The stylish clothes look like a very futuristic, forward-fashion-thinking version of the Islamic hijaab/burqa (as well as Nazi uniforms, yes, I concede this).
The all-important obedience to a Father figure that preaches the killing of those who don't follow His ways (I don't say Islam does this, but its detractors certainly do).
The fact that each prozium gun contains five tubes. This suggests to me that they take five doses daily. And Muslims pray to Allah five times daily.
John Preston's gun marks his number as 782. Muslims consider the number 786 very holy. Traditionally you will see letters from Muslims prefaced with 786 in Arabic. And the Arabic 2 looks like a mirror-reversed 6. Here Wimmer either mistakenly interpreted 786 as 782 or, more likely, used the mirror flip thing to symbolise how Preston started off as a "Muslim", but then broke free and reversed his actions.
How Wimmer used a dog as an ultimate symbol of Preston's realisation of the sanctity of life. And how Muslims always avoid dogs because our religion calls dog spit "unclean". He might as well have made Preston eat pig, but Jews also avoid that ;D .
I don't expect you to believe me, hell I don't even know if I believe it myself!
Many people have said "Fuck" or "Oh shit!" when something surprising happens. If they repressed their emotions then even the prospect of death wouldn't terrify them. Or don't Sweepers take Prozium?
Let the attacks on me commence! I'll take you all on with my mastery of Gun Kata! ;D
|
|
|
Post by JenGe on Dec 18, 2003 12:22:42 GMT -5
Anti-Islamic?? I didn't really search for such a notion deep down, but a lot of this jumped out at me: Wimmer's views on The Taliban and their destruction of Art... Except that EQ was filmed at the end on 2000 before most of this occurred. Destruction of art is a common practice throughout history. Now this one I do find very fascinating especially since there are obviously other religious references as well. If this is the case as you stated I would interpret it more as Wimmer's intent to give Preston a godlike status as he mentions on the DVD. I could always be wrong. I do find it interesting that different religions find the film to be a slam on them. I've already come across several Christian ones but this is the first time I've read the idea from a Muslim perspective. Thank you!! And just for making me think again...here you go...a coke!!
|
|
|
Post by Kodanshi on Dec 18, 2003 12:42:48 GMT -5
Thanks very much! But doesn't Coke support Israel? Haha, j/k. ;D Cheers for that! *Gulps coke*
|
|
|
Post by JenGe on Dec 18, 2003 23:05:48 GMT -5
I want to state my thoughts on the religious slant of Equilibrium. There are obvious reference to it in the film be it Christian, Buddhist, Muslim... but I never viewed them really as "anti" at all (I being Christian myself). Perhaps it is just my own interpretation but I viewed them more as references & metaphors such as those used in Star Wars, Dune, Matrix, Lord of the Rings etc. Lucas has flat out stated (I believe) that he was influenced by the writings of Joseph Campbell to create as it were a "modern myth." I think that EQ follows this idea in using religious imagery to do the same. Just my hum. op.
|
|
|
Post by MisterAnderson on Dec 21, 2003 18:39:11 GMT -5
Not sure whether this has been posted before, but look at the clerics practicing gun kata outside between the pillars....the 2nd last shot where you see them all lined up - the guy in the front/middle's hands collides with the guy on his left (our right of screen) hands just as they are coming to their final resting position.
Its probably going to come across as nitpicking, but I had a little chuckle when I saw it (its obvious that guy needs to practice a bit more ;D )
|
|
|
Post by Trinity on Dec 21, 2003 21:50:54 GMT -5
When the Mona Lisa is burning, you can hear screaming. Each further time Preston sees Mary in her cell, her dress becomes more vivid in color. Near the end during a sword fight, I like when Preston slices a sword's sheath, which he then uses to kill one of the guards in DuPont's office. You can see Brandt's sliced-off face on the floor to the bottom right of the screen at the end of Preston's battle with DuPont. There are many more...
|
|
|
Post by Trinity on Dec 21, 2003 21:53:11 GMT -5
Pretty sure this has been mentioned on other threads, but: The older woman walking on the stairs and holding the railing...(Preston does as well)...is also feeling. The guard who looks over at Preston while he is examining Mary O'Brien's belongings is also feeling.
|
|
|
Post by Trinity on Dec 21, 2003 21:54:54 GMT -5
Another thing to note is that when DuPont is asking Preston about his family, Preston replies that he has a boy and a girl, and that the boy's in the monastery, training to become a cleric. He doesn't say this about his daughter. This leads me to believe that a female becoming a cleric is not an option. However, it may mean that the girl is still too young to train, but I don't think so.
|
|
|
Post by Libby on Dec 22, 2003 8:42:26 GMT -5
Lucas has flat out stated (I believe) that he was influenced by the writings of Joseph Campbell to create as it were a "modern myth." I think that EQ follows this idea in using religious imagery to do the same. Just my hum. op. Doesn't KW say that he sees EQ as a moral tale, a parable...? I think that most of us assimilate images from all faiths as we learn through education and observation. It's not hard to recognise facets of these in other people's work.
|
|
|
Post by JenGe on Dec 22, 2003 17:02:09 GMT -5
Doesn't KW say that he sees EQ as a moral tale, a parable...? I think that most of us assimilate images from all faiths as we learn through education and observation. It's not hard to recognise facets of these in other people's work. Yes, there are several times were he refers to the film as a fable, parable, and/or fairy tale. I think all of these encompass storytelling with morals, allegory, & symbolism. I would also say there is an element of layering to these type of tales as well. Understanding on many different levels which actually makes the personal application endless. Much can be read into them whether intentional or not because of its structure.
|
|
|
Post by Hostile on Dec 22, 2003 17:06:03 GMT -5
Thanks very much! But doesn't Coke support Israel? Haha, j/k. ;D Cheers for that! *Gulps coke* Yeah, it does. So does Pepsi, McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Burger King and KFC. Drink Virgin Cola and eat at family-owned resteraunts.
|
|
|
Post by Xenia Onatopp- Bale on Dec 23, 2003 9:21:55 GMT -5
I also noticed that Preston's son goes to school while his daughter stays at home. Aren't girls allowed to go to school or have some special training in Libria?
|
|
|
Post by Kodanshi on Dec 23, 2003 12:06:28 GMT -5
I noticed that the sense offender on the top left looks SO incredibly handsome! This shot makes Christian Bale look almost exactly like JC Denton in the first Deus Ex game. When Preston takes out the Sweepers in the hallway I spotted a continuity error. He kills a couple, then poses waiting for everyone to prime themselves (perhaps to give them a sporting chance). Look at the Sweepers. Every single one of them picks his rifle off the floor and holds it. Then, a few seconds later, you see Preston kill a Sweeper, and in the background you see two Sweepers picking their rifles off the floor as though they had stood frozen before! And I hear the sound of a bullet ricocheting which I have definitely heard in Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6 games!
|
|
|
Post by Trinity on Dec 24, 2003 16:57:55 GMT -5
I noticed that the sense offender on the top left looks SO incredibly handsome! Hey, Kodanshi. Did you know that KW originally wanted to cast this man as John Preston? Very interesting...but I'm glad they chose Bale instead.
|
|
|
Post by JenGe on Feb 7, 2004 13:17:38 GMT -5
Since this thread actually has a lot of topics that get repeated I'm making it stick on the board...
|
|
|
Post by Kodanshi on Feb 8, 2004 18:29:05 GMT -5
Hey, Kodanshi. Did you know that KW originally wanted to cast this man as John Preston? Very interesting...but I'm glad they chose Bale instead. I did, as a matter of fact! I heard Kurt mention it in his commentary! Apparently he has gotten a fair few offers now. Or somthing like that...
|
|
|
Post by pyro on Feb 11, 2004 21:21:31 GMT -5
one of my friends metioned this to me, every cleric that takes off his gloves is feeling. this starts to make sense because brandt was the only cleric in duponts office and knew that dupont felt too. with this in mind, it clears up the prozium misconseptions with brandt. remember brandts gift of 'sensing' others who can feel?...
|
|
|
Post by ClericVictor on Feb 14, 2004 18:15:26 GMT -5
I have a question, you know when partrige is already killed, and preston drops his first dose, after that there is the 'breakfest' scene, where the lil girl is eating choclate flakes, erm.. weird?
|
|
|
Post by Libby on Feb 15, 2004 11:01:36 GMT -5
They do look chocolatey. Perhaps they're a sort of generic breakfast cereal which contains all the necessary nutrients and just turns out brown! ;D. The container on the table has a number on it, 29something, or 20something, so obviously they don't go to the Store and ask for LibriaFlakes!
Watching that scene again, I noticed the darting looks Lisa gives Robie and Preston when Robbie says he's told Brandt about Preston going to Equilibrium...
I put this one as an aside in the EC-10 thread, but I think it belongs here. Have a look at the people in the square stopping to take their interval . (PowerDVD: 02-04, 0:09:20) There's a woman in the middle who is obviously way under-medicated...she's actually grinning! ;D
|
|
|
Post by JenGe on Feb 15, 2004 11:16:39 GMT -5
...where the lil girl is eating choclate flakes, erm.. weird? Are you sure it's chocolate?? I've always found this assumption interesting since various grains are a dark brown tone. Bran for example...brown rice. It could even be pumpernickel cereal. ;D
|
|
|
Post by MisterAnderson on Feb 15, 2004 17:57:27 GMT -5
Actually in the last month or so, we have had a new cereal released in Australia that looks uncannily like the cereal used in Equilibrium. This one is definately chocolate-type cereal as MILO (the original product its based on) is a chocolately mix for milk.
|
|
|
Post by MAX on Mar 17, 2004 4:49:45 GMT -5
Yeh. I love those cereals lol as a matter of fact, I have a box at home lol here they're called "Chocapic"
|
|
|
Post by EsbenF on Mar 23, 2004 9:33:23 GMT -5
It could also be Kellogg's Chocos: I've actually thought it was these ones ever since the first time I saw the movie... I guess they're not available in the US / UK or someone else would have said the same - I'm actually 100% sure these are what's being eaten (believe me, I know what I'm talking about hehe). (sorry about the picture, blame google ;D)
|
|
|
Post by NateP on Apr 13, 2004 11:42:17 GMT -5
Something i've always wondered, is why, when most anyone is shot, all this dust comes off of them? I'm glad they didn't show gore or anything, but it's kinda weird....
|
|
|
Post by pyro on Apr 13, 2004 16:40:28 GMT -5
Something i've always wondered, is why, when most anyone is shot, all this dust comes off of them? I'm glad they didn't show gore or anything, but it's kinda weird.... kurt said in the commentary that they used dust squibs instead of blood ones because they were afraid of the ratings board cutting out of the scenes
|
|
|
Post by NateP on Apr 13, 2004 17:26:27 GMT -5
kurt said in the commentary that they used dust squibs instead of blood ones because they were afraid of the ratings board cutting out of the scenes Thanks for the information! It shows that he tries to care about what his audience sees in his movies...thats cool.
|
|
|
Post by TrustKill on Apr 21, 2004 13:02:14 GMT -5
i thought the smoke started to detract from the scenes a little. i dont mind there not being tons of blood or anything, but come on! it makes the sweepers seem like they are actually made of old firewood or they are really dry scarecrows or something. they get shot and pounds of dust come flying out of them. i would have been happy with some more minimalistic use of the dust.
|
|