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Post by cleric84 on Sept 3, 2011 19:42:15 GMT -5
Blackdragon, i try my best with converting sense offenders. The closest i've come so far was 1/2 way to getting my dad to be a fan... Afraid to say, he thinks its too much like The Matrix, so won't fully convert . All my friends have different tastes in movies although i continue to show them DVD box and always say "Are you sure you don't want to see it?" ;D Think they must get fed up of me asking . Hello as well Mirabilis Nice to meet you. ;D
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Post by invisiblescientist on Sept 4, 2011 1:20:08 GMT -5
It is possible that in the future governments might invent some form of prozium. It is difficult to make such a drug without hindering the productivity of the workers, but it is not impossible.
Given the statistics of war deaths, which are very cyclical, prozium does make sense. Long economic cycles seem to occur approximately every 50 to 75 years in average (as a rule of thumb "every two or three generations"), where worldwide economic depressions are often followed by corresponding global wars.
During the last 5,000 years there has been 14,000 wars, and during the last 3,500 years there has been only 250 years of relative peace in the world. As if this were not enough, during the last 3,500 years a grand total of 5 billion people were killed in these wars, which is even more worrisome especially because 2,000 years ago the world population was only about 250 million, which seems to indicate that many of these wars were probably genocidal, i.e. the defeated nations were often executed.
Thus when Father said that "Mankind united in pursuit of war with infinitely greater purpose than he did in pursuit of peace", he certainly had a point. Maybe Father was right, and perhaps only the successor DuPont and his thugs were evil.
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Post by cleric84 on Sept 7, 2011 7:25:56 GMT -5
Thank you Aedh. I look forward to serving Libria and minimising all types of sense offence. Invisiblescientist, Your post is very interesting. When i 1st watched the film 'the pursuit of war instead of peace' quote that father made and that you have also brought up in your post, very much struck a chord. Peace groups, on the whole, tend to be on a small scale or you tend to get the sense, that they are unfairly oppressed when they attempt to make some sort of big stand on a particular issue(E.g: Green peace). However, aggressive groups tend to make a bigger impact and get far more attention. This does come back to the subject of emotion and how well or maybe not so well, it is controlled.It is also strongly linked to group conformity. I could go on and on about the subject.... Coming back to what i originally stated in my 1st post, what i mean by i wish prozium existed for certain members of society, is for the more hostile natured. Those who intently mean harm to other people, whether it be to a specific individual(s) or more on a grand scale. If they don't feel or at least very much dulled to the feeling of extreme negative emotions then their is the very high potential these acts of aggression will not happen. Crimes rates would drop considerably over night. Vast majority of people are fine and law abiding who are just trying to get on with their lives and the ups and downs that go with it but their is that very small miniority that take things to the ultimate extreme (more in the negative than positive sense) and this is where prozium would do a fantastic job.
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Post by clericjay on Sept 7, 2011 11:12:11 GMT -5
Welcome very much, cleric84! I definitely see your point here, though taking a look around I see that war often starts much earlier, when neighbours and family members hate each other for nothing (often jealousy). For me it hurts to see, when even brothers cannot get along with each other... How should a society work, if there's even war within families? A drug like Prozium could probably help out here preventively, but it would take very precious things away from us on the other hand, but that's been expressed in the movie already. I guess I have to watch it again... By the way, I have met quite a lot other people out there, who know and love EQ even without attending this board and actually my brother converted me to a fan as I fool didn't want to watch it, when I first had the opportunity... I deeply regretted it, after I finally watched it...
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Post by clericjay on Sept 7, 2011 11:23:22 GMT -5
You've put it very nice here, what most of EQ-watchers are concious about I think... May I use that for MoF? ;D :-P It is possible that in the future governments might invent some form of prozium. It is difficult to make such a drug without hindering the productivity of the workers, but it is not impossible. Given the statistics of war deaths, which are very cyclical, prozium does make sense. Long economic cycles seem to occur approximately every 50 to 75 years in average (as a rule of thumb "every two or three generations"), where worldwide economic depressions are often followed by corresponding global wars. During the last 5,000 years there has been 14,000 wars, and during the last 3,500 years there has been only 250 years of relative peace in the world. As if this were not enough, during the last 3,500 years a grand total of 5 billion people were killed in these wars, which is even more worrisome especially because 2,000 years ago the world population was only about 250 million, which seems to indicate that many of these wars were probably genocidal, i.e. the defeated nations were often executed. Thus when Father said that " Mankind united in pursuit of war with infinitely greater purpose than he did in pursuit of peace", he certainly had a point. Maybe Father was right, and perhaps only the successor DuPont and his thugs were evil.
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Post by invisiblescientist on Sept 8, 2011 4:54:41 GMT -5
Sure, feel free to use these statistics about wars in Memories of Father; after all I am not the one who did this research about war deaths... And note that during the last 400 years, every two or three generations, there has been global wars that followed economic depressions with significant statistical regularity. But this time the new weapons might make it much more destructive not only because of the raw explosive power of the new devices, but more importantly, because media provides far more concentrated information, governments of the world will be able to condition their nations to have even more hatred against perceived enemies than in any previous generation. The main reason the Nazis were so successful in causing so much destruction was precisely because the means of communication (radios, movies, newspapers, school books, etc) were far more standardized to feed people propaganda, and simultaneously the same technology allowed Nazis to censor any other alternative point of view that might have diluted the effect of the government propaganda. Note that by European standards, before the Nazis came to power, the German antisemitism was relatively benign compared to many European countries and German Jews had so much more freedom that French Jews were actually jealous... But once the educational system was standardized by the Nazi party and all other opposing views were censored with extreme precision (once again technology made censorship even more strict), then within a decade most Germans were totally prejudiced against Jews and they all believed that Germany lost World War I because of the Jews. Thus this time, if there is a new global war between big countries, it will be far more violent, and the defeated nations might be killed after the war. You've put it very nice here, what most of EQ-watchers are concious about I think... May I use that for MoF? ;D :-P It is possible that in the future governments might invent some form of prozium. It is difficult to make such a drug without hindering the productivity of the workers, but it is not impossible. Given the statistics of war deaths, which are very cyclical, prozium does make sense. Long economic cycles seem to occur approximately every 50 to 75 years in average (as a rule of thumb "every two or three generations"), where worldwide economic depressions are often followed by corresponding global wars. During the last 5,000 years there has been 14,000 wars, and during the last 3,500 years there has been only 250 years of relative peace in the world. As if this were not enough, during the last 3,500 years a grand total of 5 billion people were killed in these wars, which is even more worrisome especially because 2,000 years ago the world population was only about 250 million, which seems to indicate that many of these wars were probably genocidal, i.e. the defeated nations were often executed. Thus when Father said that " Mankind united in pursuit of war with infinitely greater purpose than he did in pursuit of peace", he certainly had a point. Maybe Father was right, and perhaps only the successor DuPont and his thugs were evil.
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Post by afterwars on Nov 3, 2012 18:50:31 GMT -5
Hi everybody, the name is Max, I am Italian but I lived all over, mostly Ireland and Spain. I am a long time fan of Equilibrium, MxO player (RIP), console gamer and practitioner of Pilate and Yoga. I am currently studying psychology at the distant learning university of Spain, writing blogs and leaving by the sea. Greetings, Max
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Post by Mirabilis on Nov 4, 2012 14:55:13 GMT -5
Hi everybody, the name is Max, I am Italian but I lived all over, mostly Ireland and Spain. I am a long time fan of Equilibrium, MxO player (RIP), console gamer and practitioner of Pilate and Yoga. I am currently studying psychology at the distant learning university of Spain, writing blogs and leaving by the sea. Greetings, Max Welcome aboard!!
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Post by Aedh on Nov 9, 2012 6:48:16 GMT -5
Greetings, Cleric Max. You are engaged on a worthy academic field, and as a long-time fan student of Equilibrium, you will already understand the mission. See the Supply Officer for your coat and the armorer for your Berettas. The mission is paramount; the stakes could not be higher. Father is counting on you. I see she has already welcomed you.
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