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Post by dim on Mar 7, 2006 8:54:11 GMT -5
Hi there.
I've been away since Friday, and came home yesterday to find that UV made it to no 4 (9 mil) and people making me confused about the movie. Thats not a flop if you think that the first movie took 13 mil this weekend.
Bare in mind this film is only released in the US, I am sure its gonna make its money when its released worldwide.
Probably it will be big in Asia (maybe cause it was shot in HK). But anyways I dont care about the money.
It seems its either a hate or love movie.
I guess I ll have to see it on my own to form my own opinion.
too bad the movie got edited badly. I am too looking forward to see a DC version of the film one day.
So far i loved everything about UV. All the spots, the featurette, the clips, the pics.
So I guess the edits in the 3 clips were taken from the actual film then?? Are they exactly the same in the movie? What about the forbidden clip? is it better in the movie with the new music and sound fx?
And What about Kurt? Does anyone have any idea what he has to say about the final cut of the film?
I wish he posted something here and explain some stuff to his fans.
I dont know, but what people say they hate about this movie doesnt really bother me so far. As for the look of the film, if it looks like it was in the trailer (is that the soft filter look u are all taking about?), I like it.
I wasnt expecting too much of it.
Just a colorful fun action fest from start to end.
I love cheesy melodramas in films like these.
So Ill send my own review when I watch it and let u know if u were all right, or wrong.
Is it better than Aeon and Elektra? Well for me the trailer alone was better than both those movies. As for the dialogue, well Aeon had a pretty lame dialogue too. and the only people who could act was charlize and macdormant.
talking about cheese?
All Keanus lines in the matrix trilogy.
matrix reloaded anyone? morpheus speech was the cheesiest thing i have ever seen in my life. Plus he says the same crap all over again! And matrix wanted to be taken seriously, uv doesnt. everyone stated that. read millas interviews for it. Its made for pure fun and i like that idea.
Why should everything be serious and real to be good?
If its more like the fifth element, then ill definately like it.
I still have faith in kurt.
ta
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Post by JenGe on Mar 7, 2006 9:58:51 GMT -5
Thats not a flop if you think that the first movie took 13 mil this weekend. No, Running Scared is a flop but an awesome film anyway. It certainly is. It's not like any film I've ever seen so throw all expectation out the window. It is not like Equilibrium. EQ had 6 minutes of action, this has about 6 minutes of down time. The tone is very, very different. Not sure about the clips since I really did not want to watch them too closely. As to the forbidden clip I never saw it on-line so for me it is one of the best action sequences I have ever seen in my life. It was completely breathtaking in the theater to watch it. I can't wait to get back to the theater to see it again!! He has not said anything yet. I think so but then I'm bias. You really do have to go into this film with a open mind...I found it to be quite experimental and even trippy. There are a lot of holes in the plot and at this point it is unclear if that's editing but if you are there for the ride you might like it.
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Post by dim on Mar 7, 2006 10:08:46 GMT -5
6 mins of downtime so its full of action all the time?
thats cool! considering its an action film after all!
I liked EQ but there wasnt a lot of action in it! Id prefer to watch more action sequences than dialogue in these type of films! Cause EQ's rewatchable moments is the action sequences themselves!
I trust your sayings Jen. I think I am gonna like UV too.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 7, 2006 10:16:57 GMT -5
Yeah, but people really have a problem with a film having that much action. There's barely time to process anything. I actually enjoyed it better the second time but like I said that might be due to the IMAX.
The pacing is odd...there's not much time with the characters besides the action. There is no bet that you will like it. It is very, very out there. I really loved it but then I like when things are different from every other film you get these days. People complain about originality in films and when they get it they hate it.
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Post by stain on Mar 7, 2006 14:30:14 GMT -5
I have yet to see this movie-- although I still really really want to.
My reservations are that 1) critics and users/reviewers are pretty much raping this movie-- can it be that bad? aren't the fight sequences innovative/ground-breaking/visually stylish enough to merit at least a "mediocre" review as opposed to the absolutely BAD reviews its been reciciving? 2) how much of what we are seeing is actually Kurt's work? I can't help but feel that the studio has completely bastardized this based on what they THINK audiences want.
This was supposed to propel Kurt and Mike Smith to the forefront of action cinema and rock the world with gun-kata. Do people just really like to hate things? (we already know this about critics) Looks absolutely awesome from the trailer, and I still can't wait to see this.
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 7, 2006 17:04:14 GMT -5
"1) critics and users/reviewers are pretty much raping this movie-- can it be that bad? aren't the fight sequences innovative/ground-breaking/visually stylish enough to merit at least a "mediocre" review as opposed to the absolutely BAD reviews its been reciciving?" the movie is unapologeticly over-the-top...and not a serious movie at all....but a lot of the reviews i read said the movie takes itself too seriously..... .....which to me means...they didnt relize how original it was...they think its another serious action movie...like EQ.the matrix, or even underworld.....when its more along the lines of 5th element....but even more over the top..... .....violet is never in any real danger.....like she said...shes a titan...a monolith....but nobody ever pushed her to the edge....and when shes pushed to the edge....THERE IS NO STOPPING HER......a lot of people call that boring.....i dont..... "2) how much of what we are seeing is actually Kurt's work? I can't help but feel that the studio has completely bastardized this based on what they THINK audiences want." im betting the 2 hour version that screened a year ago was prolly kurts work......2 hours - 88 minutes..... .....you do the math.....i suck at it......but 30-40 minutes of kurts work is cut off the movie..... the movie is unlike all other movies out there......people say they want originality....but it turns out that some..... ......."are so dependent on the system...that they will fight...to protect it"
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 18:04:36 GMT -5
BIG FUCKEN NEWS IMO One of the head guys over at aint it cool news talked to Wimmer earlier in the week and he said wimmer said, Moriarty "Since I haven't seen it, I can't comment on it.
I can tell you that when I spoke to Wimmer earlier in the week to ask him if it was screening at all before it opened, he responded by telling me that it's not his film. It's not his score, it's not his edit, it's not his sound FX or his visual FX. The film is evidently a total misfire thanks to Screen Gems, and Wimmer seemed heartbroken over how bad it is.
Take that for what it's worth."
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 18:04:54 GMT -5
so what do you guys think about that?
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 7, 2006 18:23:15 GMT -5
Being a Wimmer Fan and a EQ fan....I would have to take the flying leap of faith and believe what you stated.
Deep down I have to believe this UV version is not his at all. Or at least in part not his version.
If you are right and it is true.... I am deeply saddened by what ScreenGems did to him.
In any case...everything was set in motion and the UV movie is what it is. Time to move on and support Wimmer's next vision.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 18:47:26 GMT -5
Oh yeaH didnt put up the link to back up what I wrote. zone.aintitcool.com/viewtopic.php?t=39964\Scroll down to Moriarty's comment. He also goes on to say on another comment that "Wimmer's been running silent on this one for almost a year." damn I knew there had to be a reason why this movie sucked soo much ass.
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Post by stain on Mar 7, 2006 19:02:46 GMT -5
*sigh*
I suppose that makes me feel better--that this is the studio's steaming pile....
*RIP* UV. I can only imagine what Kurt is/has been going through.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 7, 2006 19:05:18 GMT -5
well I ve been reading the novel and even though the movie is tough to wrap your mind around. The book appears to be the closest thing to WImmer's true vision than anything else.
BUT..WHY would Wimmer be silent all this time? Why wouldn't he fight it? or if he did fight, What silenced him?
If the general public ever knew what a low life scum sucking studio screen gems is for disrespecting Kurt like that.....shiit might hit the fan. Or.... People won't care.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 19:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by gouniara on Mar 7, 2006 19:57:35 GMT -5
that's so sad!
I've seen the movie and its obviously not wimmer's uv.
most of the action is cut like re2! you dont see a thing! its been butchered to death!
we just see quick cuts and changes of angles all the time.
wimmer loves to show the whole action going on doesnt he?
and this version of UV doesnt show anything like it!
i wish he releases his version somehow. at least show us the missing frames , what was actually going on, not letting everything to imagination like it was done poorly in RE2!
Can the people who saw the early screenings confirm that all the fight scenes were butchered to death or was this how kurt wanted them to be?
if thats the case, then i dont believe kurt did both eq and uv.
he either did eq and someone else did uv or he did uv and someone else did eq!
i am 100% sure there are a lot of frames missing from these fight sequences.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 7, 2006 20:58:44 GMT -5
I mean you can't even really see when her fingers get cut off. Most people don't even realized that happened.
The novelization is very enlighting for those of you whe cannot wait for a director's cut.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 21:03:33 GMT -5
Im wondering if there is even ganna be a real Directers cut. I mean it seems like he is trying to distance him self from this. Or like ignore the whole movie. He said nothing was his, so do you think he would go back and re-do the whole movie. Because it sounds like that is what is going to have to do.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 7, 2006 21:23:41 GMT -5
He might just want to move on at this point...I don't know...it's becoming quite a disaster. Did you read about this?? (edit: insert joke waring...) MOVIEGOERS ULTRA-UPSET imdb.com/title/tt0370032/board/nest/37906935It's quite a mess at this point and most people will not even discuss this logically like on CHUD and IMDb. They just want to blame Wimmer & hate him. I have never seen anything like this.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 7, 2006 21:32:07 GMT -5
Ive only heard of one other directer loosing his movie, he took his name off the movie. It was american history X. He didnt even get to finish his movie. So the suits did what they could with what they had. Which is shocking because I love that movie and wonder how much better it could have been if he had stayed. The directer was soo pissed off at the hollywood system that he said he will never make another movie again.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 7, 2006 21:51:05 GMT -5
I can not logically understand why Wimmer would do the same as this other director who said he wouldn't make another movie.
Wimmer has the talent, imagination and drive to honestly make a good movie. IMO...he should return to his roots..and forget about the debacle (which is big name studios).
All his fans support him..
If I had a couple million..Id give him the money to make his movie. Cause in reality his dream moviemaking classic is my partly mine as well.
I just wish there could be some way we can support his efforts rather than just write about it.
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Post by Psyclops on Mar 7, 2006 22:13:44 GMT -5
Umm... that news story linked up above is a fake. The minute the report gets to the "15 year old" who stayed behind and enjoyed the movie, it kind of gives up the joke. Also, it sounds incredibly similar to what jackmode said about being able to enjoy the movie by understanding, or imagining, what was deleted.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 7, 2006 22:27:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I just found that out. I actually love the joke though!! It reminds me of the one on the Onion with Bay's comments about March of the Penguins...Bahahahah!!!
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 7, 2006 22:37:08 GMT -5
I thought that little piece of news about the theater walk out sounded.....lil strange.. ;D
I think only 1 person walked out when I saw UV, But I think he had to pee really bad..lol.
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Post by Psyclops on Mar 7, 2006 22:57:24 GMT -5
Can the people who saw the early screenings confirm that all the fight scenes were butchered to death or was this how kurt wanted them to be? Yes, especially the first battle with the "Shattering" soldiers. They cut lines of dialogue and snippets of brutality, which is why the flow of certain scenes seems off and choppy. They also removed all the sound effects of bones being broken and the henchmen screaming like little girls. Not that any of this improves the film by much, it just gives it more of an edge and allows you to sit back and enjoy the mayhem. I know that at some point last year, Kurt had cut 17 minutes from the two hour version and that seemed to be the cut he was happy with.
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Post by TheKaiser on Mar 8, 2006 0:29:20 GMT -5
He'll probably do an interview with a site like Chud, AICN or Twitch soon. He just needs to wait until he's legally able to do so.
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Post by TheKaiser on Mar 8, 2006 0:58:36 GMT -5
Ive only heard of one other directer loosing his movie, he took his name off the movie. It was american history X. He didnt even get to finish his movie. So the suits did what they could with what they had. Which is shocking because I love that movie and wonder how much better it could have been if he had stayed. The directer was soo pissed off at the hollywood system that he said he will never make another movie again. Happens more often then you'd think. They used to be able to use a fake name known as Alan Smithee, but then a terrible movie called Burn Hollywood Burn came out and kind of brought the industry secret to light so they dont use it anymore. American History X was considered to be an Alan Smithee, the director was also planning to credit the film as Humpty Dumpty.
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Post by Psyclops on Mar 8, 2006 1:28:54 GMT -5
I would have given the credit for the studio's cut to "Uwe Anderson" just to mess with everybody. ;D
Didn't they also use the name "Thomas Lee" for SUPERNOVA?
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Post by Coolhand on Mar 8, 2006 7:15:44 GMT -5
Poor Kurt. I haven't seen the movie yet as I live in the UK, so I'm not qualified to pass judgment on the actual product, but what I can give an opinion about is how Kurt must be feeling right now. See, I'm a writer who's currently trying to guide a novel through the shark-world of publication. If my work is released more or less as I intended it to be, and gets slagged off for being rubbish, fair enough. But if my labour of love is taken away from me, edited and hacked to a point where it is a mere shadow of it's former self by people who neither love or care about it and THEN slagged off as a result of those edits and changes, I'll feel like I've just been emotionally disembowelled with an acid-laced chainsaw. I really REALLY hope that this doesn't put Kurt of making films, because I honest think that would be a massive, MASSIVE loss to the industry. Is there any way we can let him know that we're all still behind him and rooting for the next KW film? Maybe a petition or something.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Mar 8, 2006 15:16:20 GMT -5
What do you guys think Kurt would prefer, seeing the film crash and burn as it seems to be doing or it be loved by his fans?
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Post by stain on Mar 8, 2006 17:14:35 GMT -5
Uwe Anderson-- that's awesome. (*shiver runs down spine*) Kinda makes you wonder if their movies are purely their respective visions, or if their 'infamous' directorial reputations are the result of studio editing.
I sincerely hope that the TRUTH surfaces, and that people know what Kurt DID and DIDN'T do.
With regards to a "director's cut," I highly doubt this given the relationship between studio and director-- it also seems that director's cuts are provided for more 'successful' movies (at the box office), although I could be wrong.
As far as where to go from here, I think UV had the potential to be the next Matrix-action extravaganza because of the "bigger" budget-- but that's not to say you can't see really cool action without a big budget. Best action scene EVER (period) is the gun-kata fight w/ father at the end of EQ. I hope Wimmer and Mark? Smith do collaborate in the future to create such action sequences (you really believe both guys are trying to shoot each other, and not just waving guns at each other). I could go on and on, and I apologize for my current rant.
Bottom line: hopefully Kurt (&co) will find a way to integrate drama/action/style in a future project in which the creative integrity of their project can be maintained.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 8, 2006 17:22:29 GMT -5
Well, Lets put it this way. I love his script. I love the story (even with the cheesy dialogue). Do I love UV the movie? no I don't. To me its just another movie that Wimmer should have been allowed to finish beginning to end. I would hope Wimmer would understand his fans sentiments, and feelings towards this very ackward movie. Like many others have said....its hard to discern whether you should love it or hate it. Regardless, if Wimmer is truely disgusted with what came out...he should make HIS movie without larger studios budget help.
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