discuss the movie !!Spoiler!!!

[kaitenproductions]

Do you think wimmer has like a wide range in his story telling? Like could you see him doing a small movie that takes place in the now? It could still have some sci fi elements. Like has anyone here seen "happy accidents" i think it was a very creative small movie that has more going for it then most big movies do. A "soul" if you will, which i think most movies now dont have, like Michael Bay films.
Im waiting to see if wimmer will do something great that isnt sci fi or high on action. See what his range is. Anyone else here interested in that or do yall just want him to dish out the action flics?

[Walldude]

I see him doing more than action. He's got a visual style that would easily suit other genres. The human elements in EQ were as powerful as the action sequences. I thought less so in UV but that was a different type of movie altogether. I'll have to check out Happy Accidents, never heard of it...

[kalaong]

Hey, does anyone have any pictures of Violet drawing her guns? I found that to be a cool effect but it's hard to visualize. I remember it to be something like the formation effect in Tron. Lines appear in her hands sketching out the guns and then they fill in and they're there.

[taas007]

kalaong said:

Hey, does anyone have any pictures of Violet drawing her guns? I found that to be a cool effect but it's hard to visualize. I remember it to be something like the formation effect in Tron. Lines appear in her hands sketching out the guns and then they fill in and they're there.

Here's some.






And this one just for fun

[kalaong]

Ooohh... Excellent. I used the term 'systematically reconstructed' when I made my modifications on Wikipedia. BTW, Could anybody here put their two cents in on the site? Just to show that there are people besides me who analyse this thing to death and beyond. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_%28film%29

[kalaong]

Maybe add a few of these awesome pix?

[MisterAnderson]

Well I finally got to see the movie on the weekend and, with a hint of sadness I have to say that on the whole I was fairly disappointed wth it.

My excitement over another Wimmer film coupled with an adrelalized first act of the movie initially had me on a high, but then it unfortuneatly spiralled (slowly at first) with the way the plot unfolded & the sequences played out. After the brilliance of Equilbrium, UV just didn't feel like it came from the same director we've all come to know & love.

I found I couldn't empathize with any of the main characters and the dialogue was a far cry from Equilibrium. The cast just wasn't anywhere near as solid & I think that was also a huge factor in the enjoyment stakes for me - I realize how difficult it would have been to attain the stellar supporting cast he had with EQ....and one cannot simply compare Christian to Milla - they are at almost opposoites of the spectrum. Which doesn't mean I don't respect Milla, but she has yet to genuinely impress me with her performance in a film (5th Element not withstanding). She was great physically from an action stand point, but has still a long way to go to endear me to her from an emotional standpoint.

I am aware of that the final cut of the film is a abhoration of the version Wimmer would have put together - and I would probably give this movie another chance to see the original vision of his story. But it would be a huge leap of faith, especially after the sub-par ending.

But to end on a positive note, I did like the new concepts he introduced with regards to weapons & technology, and I was impressed with the overall look of the movie....considering it was only done for 30 million, the setting & the special effects (for about 90-95% of the film) were more than adequate.

I hope the negativite feedback & events (such as him being removed from the final cut) surrounding this movie is only a very small speedbump for Wimmer to endure. We all know he is capable of greatness & I have to agree with Walldude that when everything finally clicks for him - he wlll blow us all away with something thats unstopably watchable.

[Dalsk]

YEAH UltraViolet finally out un France lol
I've already seen it "illegaly" but I'll see it again this week-end

[Dalsk]

Little gift : french version of the poster :

"Heroine genetically modified" and on the bottom : "The fight begins June 14th".
Enjoy

[frivolity]

My tuppenceworth...

I got to see it this morning. I wasn't impressed with the soundtrack in that I thought it jarred at places, unless that was the intent? But then I didn't like the soundtrack to The Village and everyone else liked that. The script didn't strike me much either.
But it's a visual treat, it really is Just my opinion, obviously. I am going to see it again at the cinema. ;D But I'll have my Walkman on.
I already have my song to vid it, and I am dying to get my mitts on it (is that half the online population I can hear groaning? - tuff!). Might be really norty and get it on pre-order.

P.S. I got the huge cinema poster too - YEY! - that'll be going up alongside my EQ one ;D ;D

[TheKaiser]

frivolity said:

My tuppenceworth...

I got to see it this morning. I wasn't impressed with the soundtrack in that I thought it jarred at places, unless that was the intent? But then I didn't like the soundtrack to The Village and everyone else liked that. The script didn't strike me much either.
But it's a visual treat, it really is Just my opinion, obviously. I am going to see it again at the cinema. ;D But I'll have my Walkman on.
I already have my song to vid it, and I am dying to get my mitts on it (is that half the online population I can hear groaning? - tuff!). Might be really norty and get it on pre-order.

P.S. I got the huge cinema poster too - YEY! - that'll be going up alongside my EQ one ;D ;D

Soundtrack gave me a headache too. During the first action sequences the music had a very annoying beat.

[Kodanshi]

I enjoyed it mainly because of its constant visceral thrill. That and the excitement of seeing a giant Milla Jovovich! She has always = my uberbabe (until I met my fiancée, I hasten to add! ;D) and this must rank as the coolest rôle she’s played (though not her ‘best’ — I’d nominate Joan of Arc or Leeloo in 5th Element as her best), and for this reason I’ll buy the DVD when it comes out.

It DID seem like a souped–up version of Equilibrium to me, though, but without the brilliant characterisation and the drama of the actual people in it. As much as I love gun kata (neat elements of those in Ultraviolet!) and think they provide an excellent counterpart to the other scenes, I would love Equilibrium even if it had contained no action set pieces. With Ultraviolet though… Not much else remained really.

And I mentioned this about Equilibrium when I posted here years ago, but I noticed a slight anti–Islamic vein to this film — especially in the opening. Though nowehre near as blatant as in Equilibrium.

[Coolhand]

Okay, I have FINALY seen this movie and can now have an informed opinion.

But before I do, I’m going to set the scene.

In the UK, before the movie runs, you get an advert from the Orange mobile phone company. It takes the form of a series of advertising/movie studio execs receiving film pitches from real actors. The gag is that the execs always try to take the film pitches from the actors and warp them into something that will sell phones.
For example, Sean Aston (SamWise Gamgee) turns up proposing a New York romantic comedy; they twist the project into becoming “Lord of The Ringtones: Return Of the Phonecall.” And he walks out.
Patrick Swaize arrives to propose a Death Wish style revenge movie called “Silent Hunter.” They change the movie to “Chatty Hunter,” on the grounds that “silence doesn’t sell phones”, and that “if he talked about his problems more, he probably wouldn’t feel the need to kill everyone.”
And Swaize walks out.

The reason I mention this is that I’m sure a bunch of jerks like this were responsible for what happened to UltraViolet.

It’s a mess, a car wreck. But if you crash an Aston Martin, you’ll still come across some nice looking pieces of metal amongst the mess, and UV still has some traces of Wimmer Genius that make the unrated DVD a must have. The oft-discussed Blood Chinois sequence, the library fight (extended version), and many others wonderful visuals and production design still shine bright and clear. Even the screwed up, sanitised, edited fights still contain moments of action cool. There are some awesome ideas like flat-space.

What sucks is the rest of it.
Some of this is Kurt’s responsibility. I hesitate to use the word fault because it implies he should not have tried, and I don’t think you should ever slam someone for trying something new or different.
Some of the acting is lousy, but Kurt had a low budget and was in China, so English speaking talent was hard to come by.
Some of the lines don’t work, but see above. Incidently, I don’t think the “It’s On” line actually refers to the blood on Daxus face. I think he means it as “Game on” or “The fight is on.” Yet the context is a little unclear.
I think Kurt’s slightly overusing the “hero stands surrounded in the middle of an empty room whilst bad guys attack from a circle” motif.” I think more or less every fight in the fight in the film works along with idea. I’d like to see Gun-Kata play out in a real environment with furniture and stairs and stuff.
And I think in the end, he was trying to do too much with too little cash. Even as it stands, it’s a bloody awesome achievement for $30 million. But he easily needed double that to make it work properly. I think he’d have been better off trimming things like the bike chase and using the cash to bulk up what was left.

Now to the things I suspect Kurt had no control over.
Some of the music is terrible. Glass-guard fight, I’m looking at you.
The editing is appalling. Both in terms of removal of scenes/lines, but also in terms of simple fight/angle/coverage cutting. I could scarcely imagine a worse job being done if the job was given to a blind, deaf man with no arms who was instructed to clench a razor between his buttocks and shuffle aforementioned buttocks back and forth randomly across the celluloid. I’m serious. A major reason for this film’s failure lies in the editing.
For example, they cut out the fact that violet only has 24 hours left to live. Knowing fact this adds MASSIVE amounts of motivation and understanding to what she does and adds massive meaning to otherwise bizarre scenes. The playground scene, for example, sudden makes sense and it actually quite moving. Both Violet and Six have gone there to die. They choose not to spend their last hours in a fight they know they’ll loose. Instead they spend it together in a playground, Six getting a first and last taste of childhood, and Violet getting a fleeting glimpse of the motherhood that was stolen from her.
Yet the Ass-Cheek Editing Process removed this vital yet short snippet of info, removing a major part of the emotional punch and replacing it with a WTF moment.

It’s not finished, it’s looks unprofessional, the gauss effect sucks and releasing it in this state is an insult to the public and to Kurt.
No wonder Kurt walked out.


I saw the movie with a mate who knew nothing of the history of the film. He thought it sucked but had some nice ideas (flat-space, Gun-kata, Blood Chinois bit). I explained the situation and what was missing. He agreed that the original sounded like a cool movie.
“If they bring out that version, let me know.” He said. “Wouldn’t mind seeing that.”
Still much more fun than Aeon Flux though..

[billykid]

The editing is appalling. Both in terms of removal of scenes/lines, but also in terms of simple fight/angle/coverage cutting

He didn't have control on that.

I made a thread that had links to two fantastic articles both covering this film, specifically it's action. It surprises me how few hits it got and even fewer replies. Almost as if no one cared about Ultraviolet. Shame, because they were the two best articles related to the film that has been written.

Here's a link.

equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=Wimmer&action=display&thread=1142091475

I could scarcely imagine a worse job being done if the job was given to a blind, deaf man with no arms who was instructed to clench a razor between his buttocks and shuffle aforementioned buttocks back and forth randomly across the celluloid. I’m serious.

So I am to guess you never saw Batman Begins?

A major reason for this film’s failure lies in the editing

Which Wimmer had no control over. Some people here and most people out there don't realize this and start calling it crap or calling it camp like Flash Gordon (it was never intended to be a Flash Gordon).

I am convinced that if Equilibrium were treated by Dimension like Ultraviolet was treated by Screen Gems (which shocks me that it wasn't seeing as how notoriously infamous the Weinstein brothers are for actions like that) then people who are fans now would be saying the exact thing about the film like they are claiming of Ultraviolet (that it's campy, the dialog is horrible, etc...)

[TheKaiser]

billykid said:

So I am to guess you never saw Batman Begins?

I am convinced that if Equilibrium were treated by Dimension like Ultraviolet was treated by Screen Gems (which shocks me that it wasn't seeing as how notoriously infamous the Weinstein brothers are for actions like that) then people who are fans now would be saying the exact thing about the film like they are claiming of Ultraviolet (that it's campy, the dialog is horrible, etc...)

Heh... Batman Begins was nowhere near as choppy as these fights were and there was motivation for some of them. The final fight was way to choppy, but the earlier ones worked on Batmans symbol as monster to criminals. The action was shot like a horror film.

As for your idea that EQ could of ended up campier. The problem with that is that regardless of editing, the peformances in both EQ and UV are different. Maybe EQ just had better actors, but they were handling the dialogue with far more gravity then anyone in UV.

Editing would of improved UV definitely. But until Wimmer comes out and says UV was supposed to be a gritty future picture. I don't buy it. This was definitely more about the camp.

[JenGe]

thekaiser said:

This was definitely more about the camp.

I believe the comments about the Rough Cut and the added humor that is no longer in the film backs this as well.

[Coolhand]

billykid said:

The editing is appalling. Both in terms of removal of scenes/lines, but also in terms of simple fight/angle/coverage cutting

He didn't have control on that.

I made a thread that had links to two fantastic articles both covering this film, specifically it's action. It surprises me how few hits it got and even fewer replies. Almost as if no one cared about Ultraviolet. Shame, because they were the two best articles related to the film that has been written.

Here's a link.

equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=Wimmer&action=display&thread=1142091475



So I am to guess you never saw Batman Begins?

A major reason for this film’s failure lies in the editing

Which Wimmer had no control over. Some people here and most people out there don't realize this and start calling it crap or calling it camp like Flash Gordon (it was never intended to be a Flash Gordon).

I am convinced that if Equilibrium were treated by Dimension like Ultraviolet was treated by Screen Gems (which shocks me that it wasn't seeing as how notoriously infamous the Weinstein brothers are for actions like that) then people who are fans now would be saying the exact thing about the film like they are claiming of Ultraviolet (that it's campy, the dialog is horrible, etc...)

Well, I agree totaly that the editing is not Kurts fault.
That's why I listed it under "things he had no control over" in my review.

I agree with Jen and Kaiser on the camp. I do think that there was a very "5th Element" tone to a lot of it though, which peronally I loved. You can't tell me that the "Hear-See-Speak No evil Phage" sequence was meant to be taken seriously. Or the bit with Daxus running back down the stairs after Violet wipes out the gaurds in the library. That got a laugh even from my friend who hated the film.

I think Batman Begins had terrible fight editing, but the rest of the movie was very well put together and flowed wonderfully. Batman Begins does, however, prove the point made in the second of the articles you linked to (I did read them and found them facinating-thanks for posting. )that unless the director/editor really understands action, it's best to let the actual fight co-ordinator cut the fights together. Kurt totally understands action. The UV editor, from what I can see, didn't understand action, plot or dialouge.

[JenGe]

The hair fighting sequence..."death by dreadlocks" is also not suppose to be taken seriously. A very Jackie Chan moment there and quite clever in my hum. op. Violet for a second there looks awesome in dreadlocks. (bahahahahah!!!)


Another great one. "I'm unarmed." "Not yet you're not." (bahahahaha!!!)

[billykid]

Heh... Batman Begins was nowhere near as choppy as these fights were

?

Ummm Sir, you cannot see the fights in Batman Begins.

Batman Begins has the worst action scenes I've ever seen. All that shaky cam nonsense that is being seen nowadays in films was taken to the tenth degree in that movie.

and there was motivation for some of them. The final fight was way to choppy, but the earlier ones worked on Batmans symbol as monster to criminals. The action was shot like a horror film

Correction, only one fight was shot that way and where it works...the one at the docks. Everything else that is action does not fall into the common excuse given that the fights were shot in the criminals viewpoint (all of Bruce Wayne's training, the last fight, etc..). Christopher Nolan is simply not an action director and knows nothing on how to shoot action. In fact, look at the last shoot out in the film before Batman Begins, Insomnia, and you'll see he films the action the exact same way there.

Even in it's cut form, Ultraviolet's action reigns supreme over the horror that is the pathetic action scenes in Batman Begins.

As for your idea that EQ could of ended up campier. The problem with that is that regardless of editing, the peformances in both EQ and UV are different. Maybe EQ just had better actors

Your latter comment answers a big reason for it. Even Kurt commented about the actors he had to deal with in the film. Notice that in the movie, a lot of the secondary actors in the film are looped over.

Editing would of improved UV definitely. But until Wimmer comes out and says UV was supposed to be a gritty future picture. I don't buy it. This was definitely more about the camp

I never said anything about the film being "gritty". Obviously it isn't if you look at all of the visuals in the film (bright colors, vivid pallets, multi colors, etc...). However, camp I do not buy. People confuse moments of humor in the film for a overall camp. There are too many moments that you can see in the film of genuine sentiment and drama in the film where the central character here is a tortured soul. These are not themes that are in camp films. Obviously these moments were not allowed their full swing thanks to the film being taken away from Kurt.

"

Batman Begins does, however, prove the point made in the second of the articles you linked to (I did read them and found them facinating-thanks for posting. )

Hey, no problem.

I thought few cared.

The hair fighting sequence..."death by dreadlocks" is also not suppose to be taken seriously. A very Jackie Chan moment there and quite clever in my hum

Yes, but there's my point. Humor does not mean camp for everything else. Jackie Chan films are not camp.

[Coolhand]

Another great line:
Phage 1: "We're as strong as you."
Phage 2: "We're as fast as you."
Violet: "Yeah. But are you even one tenth as pissed off as me?"

I LOVED that.

I never said anything about the film being "gritty". Obviously it isn't if you look at all of the visuals in the film (bright colors, vivid pallets, multi colors, etc...). However, camp I do not buy. People confuse moments of humor in the film for a overall camp. There are too many moments that you can see in the film of genuine sentiment and drama in the film where the central character here is a tortured soul. These are not themes that are in camp films. Obviously these moments were not allowed their full swing thanks to the film being taken away from Kurt.

I think this is why the stuido didn't get the film. It veers from very goofy (the moments mentioned above ARE goofy humor. Perhaps camp is the wrong word. Or not. Maybe they mean the same thing.) to very dramatic and dark. According to those who saw the original, it originaly had even more of this, but the darkest and the goofiest stuff got cut.
It's almost like a French comic book.

I love it when movies have thier own wild, unique tone. but it's easy to see that some dumb exec wouldn't.

Oh, and I gotta agree. I think the fights in BB were down to Nolan not understanding action, with the possible exception of the dockyard fight. Another director who doesn't understand action is Paul Greengrass, who's hyperactive-50 cups of expresso camerawork and editing ruined the action in Bourne Supremacy. Both produced good FILMS, but the action in those films was very dissapointing. For me, anyway. I think some directors have a snobbery about action.

"Well, you cannot expect me to do good action scenes, for I am a serious director!"

[frivolity]

coolhand said:

Another director who doesn't understand action is Paul Greengrass, who's hyperactive-50 cups of espresso camera work and editing ruined the action in Bourne Supremacy. Both produced good FILMS, but the action in those films was very disappointing. For me, anyway. I think some directors have a snobbery about action.

"Well, you cannot expect me to do good action scenes, for I am a serious director!"

LOL! It's funny, as I've read the comments, I was thinking about how terrible the embassy scene in The Bourne Identity was edited, but that's only from recently having done my vid. I know nothing about film making, and I am very unobservant, so I find I only tend to 'see' things when I'm going through a film piece by piece when I'm vidding. I am about to do The Bourne Supremacy, so I'll see what I think on that. I just remember loving the film

coolhand said:

Okay, I have FINALLY seen this movie and can now have an informed opinion.

But before I do, I’m going to set the scene.

In the UK, before the movie runs, you get an advert from the Orange mobile phone company. It takes the form of a series of advertising/movie studio execs receiving film pitches from real actors. The gag is that the execs always try to take the film pitches from the actors and warp them into something that will sell phones.
For example, Sean Aston (SamWise Gamgee) turns up proposing a New York romantic comedy; they twist the project into becoming “Lord of The Ringtones: Return Of the Phonecall.” And he walks out.
Patrick Swaize arrives to propose a Death Wish style revenge movie called “Silent Hunter.” They change the movie to “Chatty Hunter,” on the grounds that “silence doesn’t sell phones”, and that “if he talked about his problems more, he probably wouldn’t feel the need to kill everyone.”
And Swaize walks out.

The reason I mention this is that I’m sure a bunch of jerks like this were responsible for what happened to UltraViolet.

Rofflingllamasonanorangemobile! This was too too funny. ;D ;D and very clever, Coolhand. hehehehhehe
"Is that Elvish for wonderful?" hhhehehehehehee

[JohnPrestonCleric]

Finally I saw the German Version of UV! I have to say that the translation is not the best, but it's ok. What was very good is the fact that the sounds of the bone cracking and screams and sound effects are new and different(maybe just a few). As an example: I was so happy when I saw that the guy in the armor shielded fight screams, because in the theatrical(US and Unrated Version) you can't here it so well(in the theatrical you just see him scream without a sound, that is so ridiculous!) For those who live in Germany I can really say, go see the movie(even if it's the theatrical cut) in the movies, because the Germans optimized the sounds etc. Yeah.......I'm so happy.
WATCH ME!

[torrent]

I found the film to be well directed, and very fun to watch, but horribly written. The dialogue and acting was awful. I literally laughed out loud when the guy with the nose thing said "it is on". I even made an image macro of it, I found it so damn funny.

[luminous]

Very disappointed with uv,that kurt created a whole new world with 30 mil is impressive but eye candy alone does not make a good film.

[Mirabilis]

Hallelujah! I finally saw UV this afternoon after possibly the longest download in history on my PC!!! I really enjoyed it actually but I think I'll have to watch it a few more times to fully appreciate the story. Loved the look of it too, it reminded me of Tron with the muted cg colours. I personally thought Kurt did a good job on this...and my teenage daughter was impressed with it too...and she's not always easy to please!

[Aedh]

Glad to see you liked it Mira ... did "Cleric Aedh" pick his significant other well, or not? And what do you think of Preston against Violet in a fight? I think I went rather easy on Preston, no? ;D ;D ;D

[Mirabilis]

;D

aedh said:

Glad to see you liked it Mira ... did "Cleric Aedh" pick his significant other well, or not? And what do you think of Preston against Violet in a fight? I think I went rather easy on Preston, no? ;D ;D ;D

Oh yes...I can see why you're so taken with her! And yes I have to admit, Preston would have a hard time beating her...but he would at least put up a good fight! ;D I need to watch it lots more times to study all the details...oh and I also love the Klaus Badelt soundtrack again...that guy does such great scores.

[Wraith]

Here's my general impression of the movie, even though it's kind of late.

Story (2) - I think the other flaws are forgiveable, but this is what kills the movie. I thought the story was extremely cliched, with the action vampire theme in Blade and Underworld. Lots of holes in the hemophagia thing (why aren't other vampires as tough as Violet, and if hemophagia makes you smarter, how do you explain Nerva?) Also had an Aliens-like surrogate mother theme. The plot doesn't plod though, so the movie's not tedious. The playground scene wasn't as sad as it was meant to be, but it was a bold move and I salute Wimmer for it.

Characterization (6) - This is one of the things that made UltraViolet more enjoyable than other movies of the type. Violet is written as a vulnerable human being, and I actually could root for her. Unfortunately I didn't care much for Six.

Acting (5) - Good performances from Fichtner, Jovovich, and Chinlund. I wasn't a fan of Cameron Bright in it though, but I never expect much from child actors anyway. Nerva's the only main character that was really bad, and the extras didn't matter much to me.

Dialogue (6) - Ranges from good, to charmingly campy, to bad. A lot of the stupid lines are made good by good deliveries from Jovovich and Chinlund. Some of the humorous dialogue shows that the movie doesn't take itself too seriously, which is good because i don't think it's the type of movie to take seriously. There's a good chance this is true because, judging by Eq, Wimmer definitely can write a serious movie Some funny ones I liked:
"Hey Daxus....You're full of shit."
"You got hemo blood on me........It is on."
The pissed off line was stupid as hell but Milla's delivery saved it.
"number of weapons found...........many!"
"How many weapons does she have left?" "According to the scans taken at the security portal.....plenty" "..................O-keee..."
"PARK IT....RIGHT THERE."

Music (7) - Good techno/classical/metal score from Klaus Badelt set the mood well (especially in Blood Chinois, Library and Daxus theme), but it loses some points thanks to the shameful Spiderman cannibalization in the opening credits.

The Look (10) - Even with some bad CGI, the movie's look is great and distinctive. One of the saving graces of the movie.

CGI: (2) CGI backrounds are sufficient in most of the movie, but the orange scenes looked bad at the end of Episode II and they look bad in this movie. Also, as much as I loved the Helicopter chase, the chopper and the glass debris getting shot off the building was Nintendo 64 level.

Future Technology (10) - It's the little things that help make this movie cool. Flat space tech, etc. Too bad it was wasted on a bad story.

Fight Scenes (10) - The other saving grace of the movie, despite choppy editing. Most movies of this type I don't even think deliver on the cheap thrills like fight scenes (hCCCOUGHHHResidentEvilCOUGHHH), and this movie actually succeeds in being a silly fun action movie because of it. Gun Kata aside, there's even more original concepts in the fight scenes. When it comes to action, Wimmer's a genius.

My Overall Rating: 3/4 stars

In addition to the studio editing complaints that have been established, the movie also wasn't promoted right. If it had gotten the same type of hype that Snakes on a Plane got, people would have expected a silly, campy movie that didn't take itself too seriously and would've loved it.

[Aedh]

I believe I've noted this before ... but it's worth repeating in case someone missed it ... an unofficial survey at a thread over on IMdB was started by someone who theorized that no one over the age of 25 liked the movie ... in fact, as the responses rolled in, it turned out that almost everyone who hated it was UNDER 25, and almost everyone who liked it was OVER 25 ... and the older people were, the more they liked it.

[Mirabilis]

aedh said:

I believe I've noted this before ... but it's worth repeating in case someone missed it ... an unofficial survey at a thread over on IMdB was started by someone who theorized that no one over the age of 25 liked the movie ... in fact, as the responses rolled in, it turned out that almost everyone who hated it was UNDER 25, and almost everyone who liked it was OVER 25 ... and the older people were, the more they liked it.

Well speaking as one who is over 25... (and no Snake sweetie, I will not reveal my actual age as requested... ...suffice to say I'm young in mind and spirit as Aedh put it...but still fit enough to give any twentysomething male a run for his money!!! ;D )... I can agree that the movie definitely appealed to me.