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Post by SF on Mar 4, 2006 19:14:48 GMT -5
the look of the film was cartoonish and i think it was done purposely to look like anime. I think that you are correct that this was intentional. The look is very much like a moving comic book. It may not work for some of you but if I can accept the style of Sin City I sure as heck can accept this look as well. I really, really liked it. I really thought they used the look to cover up the cheap FX the movie already had. And this style is no where near Sin City, so dont compare it, because then you'll give the people here the idea that it looks good. And we dont want to set them up anymore then they are now, because it will only hurt more. Stop saying, some people wont like it cause its more comic book style. I have been reading comics for about 11 years now and this would be a joke in the comic book world. I havent read dialogue this bad in comic books since the last time I read something Marvel. If something is bad, ITS BAD, dont make excuses for it. Maybe ive just seen too many good action movies to enjoy this. So if you're out there and you think power rangers is cool, you'll love this. Seriously the power rangers have about the same quality fx that this movie has. Oh and if yall think this movie is a great comic book movie then do yourselves a favor and pick up both darkman and mystery men. Those two movies are 10x better then this movie, and ill watch those movie a 1000000 times before ill see ultraviolet again.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:23:24 GMT -5
I never stated that some people will not like it due to the comic style...I stated some people will not like it.
And I can compare it to Sin City if I want to.
BTW, both Mystery Men and Darkman are not comic book films...they are comic book adaptations.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 19:24:02 GMT -5
Yeah i totally agree. Since the early screenings did not have this effect I am assuming the studio added it in to cover things up and to make it look video gamey.
And I don't see how UV has anything in common with Sin City at all to be honest, sin city was a unique film.
Exactly dude, i've been reading comics for 15 years and in fact just picked up some books today, and the dialogue is much better than anything in UV.
So true or even babylon 5 which was done in the early 90s had better CGI on TV. Ah well.....
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:26:17 GMT -5
Well boy's I've been reading comics for 35 years and yes the stuff from the 40's, 50's and 60's are just like UV.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 19:31:41 GMT -5
Well boy's I've been reading comics for 35 years and yes the stuff from the 40's, 50's and 60's are just like UV. I didnt say the stuff in UV wasn't similar to things in comic books, I said the dialogue was worse than that of comic books. That's not saying evry comic book in the world is perfect by any means.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:33:27 GMT -5
Well boy's I've been reading comics for 35 years and yes the stuff from the 40's, 50's and 60's are just like UV. I didnt say the stuff in UV wasn't similar to things in comic books, I said the dialogue was worse than that of comic books. That's not saying evry comic book in the world is perfect by any means. Than you have not read the early Superman comics like I have. You would not believe the dialogue in some of those. It makes Wimmer's sound like poetry.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 19:35:19 GMT -5
I didnt say the stuff in UV wasn't similar to things in comic books, I said the dialogue was worse than that of comic books. That's not saying evry comic book in the world is perfect by any means. Than you have not read the early Superman comics like I have. You would not believe the dialogue in some of those. It makes Wimmer's sound like poetry. I'm well aware early books had bad dialogue and again I quote myself saying that not every comic book is perfect. I would just expect better in today's film world.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:40:00 GMT -5
But when a film is based on a comic should it not then follow that comic??
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 19:41:57 GMT -5
But when a film is based on a comic should it not then follow that comic?? To a certain degree absolutely, but I have no problems with a film maker taking liberties to make things better, such as dialogue. Even Miller and Rodriguez changed lines of dialogue fromt he Sin City books to make them work better on film.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:42:46 GMT -5
I mean come on...Flash Gordon has some of the worst in film history and just it is all pure joy...
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 19:44:06 GMT -5
I mean come on...Flash Gordon has some of the worst in film history and just it is all pure joy... Hahaha I totally agree there and yet you got me cause damn Flash Gorden is a great guilty pleasure film ;D
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 19:49:27 GMT -5
I mean come on...Flash Gordon has some of the worst in film history and just it is all pure joy... Hahaha I totally agree there and yet you got me cause damn Flash Gorden is a great guilty pleasure film ;D I know... ...and mark my words Mark...UV will be too because it is nothing more than what it is just like Flash Gordon. Would you really want Flash Gordon to be something it's not? You might end up like the 1980's remake of Buck Roger's in the 25 Century that is long forgotten.
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Post by sf on Mar 4, 2006 20:16:08 GMT -5
you might be right. One day UV might be as enjoyable as Flash Gordon, because its SOOOO awful that you can laugh at it and enjoy how crappy a movie can be done when someone was trying to make something semi serious. I dont think the people who made flash gordon were going in saying, "wow this movie is going to be soo cheesy and look awful that people are bound to enjoy it for years to come."
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Post by Wraith on Mar 4, 2006 22:39:54 GMT -5
This may be true, possibly a full Wimmer cut will be a better film, but way to early to compare him to the legendary John Woo. Say what you will about Ultraviolet, but Woo is NOT a better action director (or director in general) than Wimmer.
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Post by jackmode on Mar 4, 2006 23:02:39 GMT -5
"you might be right. One day UV might be as enjoyable as Flash Gordon, because its SOOOO awful that you can laugh at it and enjoy how crappy a movie can be done when someone was trying to make something semi serious."
i dont thin ultraviolet was even made to be semi serious.........
.....ultraviolet was made to be out there...way out there....and i love it....
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Post by JenGe on Mar 5, 2006 0:23:50 GMT -5
and enjoy how crappy a movie can be done when someone was trying to make something semi serious. I agree with Jack...I think you are reading this film all wrong...it really is not trying to be semi serious at all. There are some really fun moments of humor still in the film and some were cut out. Did you miss Wimmer's cameo and the hear no...see no...speak no evil moment...Bahahahahah!!! It was great. Or the dreadlocks...bahahah!!! If you thought most of this stuff was serious you are missing a lot of the film. It is very, very much in the vein of Flash Gordon... In my hum. op. you are somewhat a hypocrite if you give one the pass and not the other...but that is my opinion. I was there when Flash Gordon was released to the theaters and it was bizarre then but an absolute blast!!
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Post by Walldude on Mar 5, 2006 0:50:59 GMT -5
Oh and if yall think this movie is a great comic book movie then do yourselves a favor and pick up both darkman and mystery men. Those two movies are 10x better then this movie, and ill watch those movie a 1000000 times before ill see ultraviolet again. LOL you make a couple posts complaining about "bad dialog" then post Darkman and Mystery Men as better examples? While I liked both those films they too have some pretty awful dialog. I haven't seen UV yet (tommorow) but let me give you another example. The ultimate comic book movie that was never a comic. Army Of Darkness. I'm on tour this year and I live on a bus with 8 other roadies, and we watch alot of movies. The other night I pulled out AOD and all 9 of us watched it. 6 of us were in stitches, the other 3 thought it was the "stupidest movie they had ever seen". What I saw as brilliant camp dialog they saw as just plain bad writing. I mean, "Gimme some sugar baby" Just plain awful! But it works for me, when Bruce delivers it. One man's bad dialog is anothers camp genuis. As far as the look is concerned I don't read comics so that won't matter to me. What interests me is how this supposed "comic book" look gels with Wimmers, shall we say, hallucinatory style of filmmaking. You've trashed the movie and I'm still really looking foward to seeing it tommorow...
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Post by JenGe on Mar 5, 2006 0:57:41 GMT -5
Well Walldude...you should know a good percentage of EQ fans hate it. It is really, very, very over the top and the edits are painfully obvious but I still has a blast.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 5, 2006 2:04:20 GMT -5
This may be true, possibly a full Wimmer cut will be a better film, but way to early to compare him to the legendary John Woo. Say what you will about Ultraviolet, but Woo is NOT a better action director (or director in general) than Wimmer. Not a better action director? what the fuck.........have you seen The Killer, A Better tomorrow, Hard Boiled, Bullet in the Head, Face/Off, or the extraordinary battle at the end of A Better Tomorrow II........Wimmer has not come close to Woo yet.....Wimmer is an outstanding action person and he understands it wquite well but with just two films he cannot be compared to Woo yet. In time maybe but not yet. And I understand this is your opinion but anyone who knows a thing about films will back me up on this I would think, Woo fans or not, even if you don't like woo but your a film fan you understand and respect his status as a legendary action director. Props go out to Wimmer for being visionary no doubt, but he's a long way from Woo.
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Post by kalaong on Mar 5, 2006 11:46:38 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's the Woo's equal right now, I'm just saying that if he switches from Screen Gems to a studio that gives him both a sufficient budget and creatiive freedom he'll be on his way. Equilibrium is his A Better Tomorrow.
Ultraviolet just ran afoul of people who think everything tastes better if they chop it up with a meat cleaver and piss on it.
You want to see what should have been, read the novelization and watch the action scenes. This should have been better, but hopefully there'll he'll get another chance. Or better yet, he probably saved the stuff they cut and it will be on the DVD. THE WIMMER SHALL BE AVENGED!!!
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Post by wtf on Mar 5, 2006 12:30:01 GMT -5
You know, all my problems with the film aside...I thought the death by dreadlock fight was funny as hell. It teaches an important lesson about having long hair in fights.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 5, 2006 12:44:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's the Woo's equal right now, I'm just saying that if he switches from Screen Gems to a studio that gives him both a sufficient budget and creatiive freedom he'll be on his way. Equilibrium is his A Better Tomorrow. Ultraviolet just ran afoul of people who think everything tastes better if they chop it up with a meat cleaver and piss on it. You want to see what should have been, read the novelization and watch the action scenes. This should have been better, but hopefully there'll he'll get another chance. Or better yet, he probably saved the stuff they cut and it will be on the DVD. THE WIMMER SHALL BE AVENGED!!! I like your points here especially saying EQ his his ABT, that will be so true if like you said, he gets a studio head that supports him and gives hm the chance to make the movies he can make.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 5, 2006 12:45:29 GMT -5
You know, all my problems with the film aside...I thought the death by dreadlock fight was funny as hell. It teaches an important lesson about having long hair in fights. Hahahahaha yeah but it was so absurd is why it was funny.
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Post by Cleric Dogbert on Mar 5, 2006 13:23:24 GMT -5
Well Walldude...you should know a good percentage of EQ fans hate it. It is really, very, very over the top and the edits are painfully obvious but I still has a blast. EQ fan here and I liked it!
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Post by JenGe on Mar 5, 2006 14:25:37 GMT -5
You know, all my problems with the film aside...I thought the death by dreadlock fight was funny as hell. It teaches an important lesson about having long hair in fights. Hahahahaha yeah but it was so absurd is why it was funny. I think you missed the point...it was intentionally funny as was the "speak no, hear no, see no evil" scene. If people enjoyed those moments then the scenes actually worked like they should have. The absurdity is part of the humor.
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Post by Mullitt on Mar 5, 2006 21:34:07 GMT -5
Hahahahaha yeah but it was so absurd is why it was funny. I think you missed the point...it was intentionally funny as was the "speak no, hear no, see no evil" scene. If people enjoyed those moments then the scenes actually worked like they should have. The absurdity is part of the humor. Same with the "it is on" line. It seemed intentionally funny, yet my friend thought it was just bad delivery.
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Post by Vespertilio on Mar 5, 2006 23:43:26 GMT -5
I'm seeing the film tomorrow, but my two cents so far based on what I'm reading... When I heard the film had been taken away from Wimmer and chopped down to a PG-13 I knew it was in trouble and not going to be as good as EQ. I fully expect an empty-calorie brain-candy roller coaster ride of an action flick with little socially redeeming value from what's left of KW's film. I'm going to have fun. ;D I'll check in tomorrow after I've seen it. -V.
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Post by SF on Mar 6, 2006 0:13:57 GMT -5
Oh and if yall think this movie is a great comic book movie then do yourselves a favor and pick up both darkman and mystery men. Those two movies are 10x better then this movie, and ill watch those movie a 1000000 times before ill see ultraviolet again. LOL you make a couple posts complaining about "bad dialog" then post Darkman and Mystery Men as better examples? While I liked both those films they too have some pretty awful dialog. I haven't seen UV yet (tommorow) but let me give you another example. The ultimate comic book movie that was never a comic. Army Of Darkness. I'm on tour this year and I live on a bus with 8 other roadies, and we watch alot of movies. The other night I pulled out AOD and all 9 of us watched it. 6 of us were in stitches, the other 3 thought it was the "stupidest movie they had ever seen". What I saw as brilliant camp dialog they saw as just plain bad writing. I mean, "Gimme some sugar baby" Just plain awful! But it works for me, when Bruce delivers it. One man's bad dialog is anothers camp genuis. As far as the look is concerned I don't read comics so that won't matter to me. What interests me is how this supposed "comic book" look gels with Wimmers, shall we say, hallucinatory style of filmmaking. You've trashed the movie and I'm still really looking foward to seeing it tommorow... You are totally right. AOD is a fucken classic!!! Bruce Campbell is the king of making bad dailogue gold. I dont know what it is about him. And i can also see people not really getting it or enjoying that type of dialogue in which I agree with JenGe. You either dig it or you dont. But Im telling you there is too much bad in UV to say its a good movie. I need like 45% good in a movie to say its ok. But everything everyone is saying is good about the movie are the ideas that could have been. I think there is about 4% of good stuff in this movie. I like Kung pow and that movie really sucks in total, but there is enough funny in that movie to enjoy. And what I think we got with UV is Wimmers butchered to the bone story edited sooo much, we cant see what it truely should be. Like the new starwars were total crap, but you can really see the story wanting to get out.
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Post by jackmode on Mar 6, 2006 2:37:53 GMT -5
SF....i saw what it truly could be......because i knew the plot points before going in...... .....everything made snese to me...BEFORE walking into the movie theater.....i did not expect it to be THAT over the top..... in fact......one of the reasons i dont like transoprter 2 was because it was too over the top......it seemed to me wimmer used the CGI to disconnect us from THIS WORLD...THE WORLD WE LIVE IN...AND EMEARSE US INTO VIOLETS WORLD.....where over-the-top action makes perfect sense.... transporter 2 takes place in miami.....present day.....with normal people...... can the bad guy jump 13 feet in the air ?yes......does it look stupid.....yes.....why???because the WORLD it takes place in is not an over the top world.....its maimi......and the only person in miami that can do that is shaq.....and hes not in the movie..... to me...thats part of why the CGI looks the way it does.....to cut us off from thinking....ok...this is my world.....right outside the theater..... ......or even...this is a possible future.....a future...that bad choices can lead to......such as EQ..... someone on imdbs boards sumed it up perfectly..... ....suspension of disbelif is one thing......but throwing it out the window is another.... i have no problem with throwing disbelif out the window......with some help.... take minority report........why can i belive that tom cruise gets away so much....... ......because of all the talk of him being fast...... ....that helps you suspend you disbelif....because there are extremly fast people...it just turns out "our hero" is one of em..... why can i belive violet do the things she can? ......because it is clearly NOT a realistic world.....its chicago......but its not a possible chicago..... .....in fact.....its so unapologetic in its over-the-top-ness......critics and normal veiwers alike actually belive this movie takes itself serious...... like i said....i understood the story....it wasent fully revealed in the movie...... ......but the missing elements are all in my head....allowing me to blissfully watch the movie and enjoy every second of it..... while someone else might say......"well.....why the hell is she dying" i know ...... someone else might say......"how can she possibly kill all these people" ..... i know what are blood choinois........i dont know......some guys who got killed......thats all that you need to know..... and ive never seen a movie like this.....and not to mention it has all my FAVORITE ELEMENTS from my FAVORITE FILMS ....... in a completly new world...... some of my favorite elements.....and i went over some before...but i dont know about this thread.... and what i mean by these are like sub-genres...... "ticking clock".....meaning...time is running out....this is violets last 24 hours..... .....will she doo her assignment......will she do what she belives is right......will she have time to do what she belives is right.......oh...no...the boy is dying.....does she have time to save him? "sleeping giant hero" this is something i dont see to often.....and this is another reason why i love this movie......what i mean by this is..... our hero....has the ability to destroy anything in its way...but dosent use it.....or dosent relize it....or has no motivation to do it.....untill a situation is forced upon them.......my favorite is neo....my second favorite is violet...and my 3rd favorite is riddick..... "chase movie" of course this is very clear.......violet has the humans after her...AND the hemophages.....my favorite chase movie would have to be T2...... "small but strong" ......i also found it more entertaining when i saw LARGE ammounts of streangth coming from SMALLER people.....again....my favorite would have to be neo......prolly followed by violet...followed by violet....i especially love women kicking ass..... "dystopian movie".....describes itself.....always liked stories about governments abusing thier powers....a good dystopian movie should always have innocent people getting killed.....or else how else is the abuse saposed to be conveyed.... theres a scene where the helocopter gun kills a room full of people.....but that was cut.... and then theres just the ABSOLUTE COOLNESS OF A FREEFALL THAT CRACKS THE PAVEMENT... the one in underwolrd...was far too soft......no power behind it.....the one in i-robot...was a robot doing it......not very impresive in my eyes....the one in blade 3 .....almost perfect..... .....the one in ultraviolet.......PERFECT..... are there any other freefalls i missed....... so if anyone says "theres no way this movie can be liked" ....ive supplied some reasons why i loved it..... ......its basicly everything i love about sci-fi action movies and fantasy movies...thrown into one movie.....with the best ACTION actress around......with an ALL NEW WORLD......one thats diffrent from any other world weve seen...... ......and its unapologetic in its over-the-top-ness........ ...sorry the post was so long.....but i did want to point out.....reasons i liked the film.....instead of just saying it kicks major ass..... .....and i also didnt want anyone to think i just liked it because of milla..... .....but it does play a part in it.......
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Post by jackmode on Mar 6, 2006 2:42:33 GMT -5
by the way....loved transporter 2.......but i hate that bad guy......
.....does anyone else think that part where he punches the black guy in the face with the watermelon ......is the single most obvious....most funniest form of racism they have seen....
.......im black...and it was just so funny....i couldent be pissed.......
when i saw it....i wanted to say "oh no....thats just wrong....." ... but the laffs just kept rolling....
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