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Post by masterripper22 on Mar 4, 2006 0:08:20 GMT -5
yea i really loved the movie, but..
there were some lets say mistakes or however u say it
1. when she was getting the uv test or w/e, u can see the tape coming off and the end of that kinda pops out
2. in the library seen when she is just about to fight the first guy, i think i saw someone in the back start running then the next seen nobody? can someone please confirm this for me, it could just be my imagination
3. the last fire sword fight, u get a really close close up of the sword and u can see the sword wrapped in something so the fire can stay on it or w.e, i just thought that was funny
if u have more to add please do.
i loved the cgi for the kind of budget they had, i didnt like the helis, they looked not to say fake, but too outdated maybe? the rest of the cgi like i said was awsome
i still loved this movie and gonna see it again next week, gotta support wimmer man, i wanna see that DC Version!! i wanna see broken arms and legs!!
i will still give a 10 out of 10!
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Post by Mullitt on Mar 4, 2006 0:33:19 GMT -5
The beginning was awesome, with the ninjas and stuff. Then the movie got kind of crappy, because the actors delivered their lines so awkwardly, and some of them were clearly voice overs (like the bald guy who said "you won't make it out of this complex alive"). The movie really started to pick up once Six was introduced, although the rooftop fight was so crappily edited it pissed me off (especially those hands put in there to make it look lik some shots were first person). The action was really great, though, even though some parts were horribly cheesy. It felt like the movie was missing some stuff, too, since a lot of stuff wasn't explained that well. I also think it needed to be way more violent. There was hardly any blood, and the sound effects were weak. Great music, great action and a cool story. The bad dialogue and weird editing brought it down, though. I'd still give it an 8/10, but it's not nearly as great as Equilibrium. I'm hoping for a Director's Cut.
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Post by masterripper22 on Mar 4, 2006 0:43:48 GMT -5
yea. and also i just remembered!! another mistake, ppl please correct if im worng when she was in the graveyard, and that black guy with dreads was saying we are as strong and w/e as u, and then he stopped talking but his mouth kepped moving!! i was like wtf? if im worng please correct me
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Post by SF on Mar 4, 2006 1:16:34 GMT -5
what are you guys talking about! This movie was horrible! The cgi was soo bad, i was embarrassed for wimmer. The dialogue was really bad, the action was weak, and the story just didnt flow. There was no soul in this movie period. And I love Equilibrium and took 12 friends with me to see this movie, and they all kicked the crap out of me when it was over. There is not one scene in the movie i would like to see over. I will not buy this on dvd and I will pretend I never heard about this movie. I hope to god that he gets a budget for the nextcome out with one, cause i really like his ideas. Even without the budget, how does Robert Rodriguez come out with some great fantasy worlds in the spy kids movies and in Sin City and Wimmer cant. I was really cheering for this one. I had to keep telling myself through the movie, "its ok he is ganna blow me away with the next action scene." Finally I was like, "when is this going to end." I did not care for any of the characters or there situation because they did not earn it. Wimmer failed at selling us the emotions these characters had. Sorry for being so upset and Im not here just to be a jerk or an A-hole, these are my honest feelings. i give it a 2/10
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Post by Psyclops on Mar 4, 2006 4:24:31 GMT -5
masterripper22,
If I recall, the guy with the dreads says, "We are not Blood Chinois, we are vampires."
They removed the vampire line.
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Post by ViolentMessiah on Mar 4, 2006 10:17:41 GMT -5
OK i saw it and in a word: crap.
the action scenes were interesting but could have been edited alot better.
the plot could have been something but they sold out and made it into the same old badass female finds cute kid and her maternal instincts take over.
the look of the film was cartoonish and i think it was done purposely to look like anime.
Equilibrium was done with very little special effects, but the acting and action sequences made for an interesting time.
this movie was done with an astronomical amount of special effects; mostly CGI and the acting sucked and there is no possible way anyone could take any of this shit seriously.
too bad. it could have really been something.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 4, 2006 11:05:47 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should have taken UV seriously at all. At least not like EQ. Its was a comic action flick nothing more. I thought it was good. I really really really want the DC dvd.
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Post by SF on Mar 4, 2006 11:12:58 GMT -5
I didnt take it serious at all. Infact I just went in for the action and style cause i already knew the story was shot. But still the world was weak and poorly done. This is not like any other action movie because those are actually complete. This was not. I think ill stick with kill bill. I believe both movies were done with the same budget too.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 4, 2006 11:34:56 GMT -5
right but remember Wimmer didn't have 110% autonomy with the theatrical version. He had an extreme limited budget (for a decent sci fi flick) Limited time to finalize it, and when he tried too ... The movie was edited by others due to time constraints, and conflicting ideas. It wasn't great by any means...but it was good for eveything that went wrong in production and editing.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 11:52:55 GMT -5
The movie was a piece of crap, and first make sure you aren't forcing yourself to like it just cause it was directed by Wimmer. Yes I'm aware that he was taken off the project cause I surely hope he would not turn in that piece of crap film. It has studio cut all over it, its just an action orgy of crap.
(SPOILER) It's one long techno music video, with chances for Millia to pose, look pretty, kick ass, and pose and look pretty again with some lame brain story about a vampire virus and then her tears saave the boy (what the fuck???!!) And the scene where she uses there hair to kick there ass.....OMG I was laughing so hard as were the people behind me, that had to be the most absurd thing I have seen in a fight scene. And the CGI was terrible even for a budget of only 30 mil, I've seen better on TV (END SPOILER)
Yeah it had cool action, and I'm an action junkie like anyone else, hell my favorite director is John Woo, but the action in this doesn't make up for what was a bad film. I love Equilibrium dearly, and I hope for the best Kurt directs again cause we allknow he has talent, lets hope possibly he gets to recut the film and we see something different on DVD, but Ultraviolet for now is the worst film so far in 2006.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 12:38:13 GMT -5
the look of the film was cartoonish and i think it was done purposely to look like anime. I think that you are correct that this was intentional. The look is very much like a moving comic book. It may not work for some of you but if I can accept the style of Sin City I sure as heck can accept this look as well. I really, really liked it.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 12:42:34 GMT -5
...and first make sure you aren't forcing yourself to like it just cause it was directed by Wimmer. Yes I'm aware that he was taken off the project cause I surely hope he would not turn in that piece of crap film. It has studio cut all over it, its just an action orgy of crap. Even if you get a "Wimmer" cut you are still going to have an "orgy" of action. I really do not see that changing with his version. In fact according to Psyclops what was mostly edited are more "sentimental" aspect of the film. Many have complained how melodramatic the film is now. Most young males hate the "park" sequence which is an obvious homage to Terminator 2. I personally love melodramas because I understand comics have their roots in that style...they are kind of like male soap operas. I'm not sure these additions are going to work well for you either. The fact is that this film is very, very different from Equilibrium...it always was even before the studio cut. This is not an EQ redo as some have thought.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 13:02:41 GMT -5
Jen, i've been collecting comics for 15 years so I understand them pretty well and I have no problem with melodrama, but when it goes unexplained? hmm well.....and perhaps the extended cut won't make things better, I mean its possible its just a bad film overall. And yeah I know its different than EQ, I was never expecting it to be EQ at all, and went in to the movie with quite an open mind. Hmmmm I dunno.......I probably wont see it again till it hits DVD but maybe upon other viewings or hopefully cuts it will change some but who knows.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 13:21:20 GMT -5
Well, the explaining part...we do know that some of those have been edited as Psyclops has stated but Wimmer did not explain everything in EQ either. He left a lot ambiguous. Since I have not seen his cut I'm not sure how much expounding he left out.
There is a lot in the actual film though somewhat hidden.
Psyclops nicely explained to us on IMDb how the swords became a blaze. If you are not watching carefully you will miss it but it is in the film.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 13:31:56 GMT -5
No I picked up on how the swords came ablaze and I actually thought it was a cool concept but in that whole scene the villian needed to shut up, I mean did Wimmer himself not realize that those were really bad lines of dialogue.......
"You got hemoblodd on me.....its on!!"
I mean come on.......you know though I was outside washing the vehicles just now and was thinking perhaps this is Wimmer's "Mallrats". Like Smith who made Clerks, he had to make the studio film so he could go to bigger movies, all though Smith hasn't really gotten better lol but thats another whole story.....so perhaps a year from now or when Wimmer's next film comes out I and other people may look at Ultraviolet differently but for now I wouldn't recommend anyone to go see this in theaters.
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Post by Wraith on Mar 4, 2006 13:53:16 GMT -5
I was disappointed by the movie, too, but had fun. (i think for nouseforanames comparison to Clerks and Mallrats is appropriate), but I enjoyed it. Action scenes were good but flawed editing. Lots of good little ideas. Story was pretty weak and a lot of things were left unexplained.
-The random Asian guys on the helipad. What were they doing there? how'd they get there? According to Psyclops, they cut out a line which would have made it make some sense. Cool fight though. -Great cinematography. I love the set designs and use of bold colors -I didn't like the opening sequence with all the fake comics. It seemed too much like spiderman's credits too. -Daxus is cool. I especially like how he rides in a Cadillac Fleetwood limo. Those are just the cooles looking cars ever. -HATED the french dude. -"Curing with a tear" could have used SOME explanation -I love the scene where the helo gunner hesitates when Milla pauses on the motorcycle. Then it hits him she might attack and goes "S***!" That caught me off guard too. -The gun scan at the end. A little bit too much like the Matrix lobby intro, it was still funny. "number of concealed firearms....many!" -When Daxus walks up the stairs "We'll corner her in the library".....Library fight....Cut to Daxus going down stairs as fast as he can ;D -Lots of blows didn't connect. -The cheap CGI scenery was bad enough, but they were just asking for trouble by using orange. -I love the idea of the medical police state
Still, it was enjoyable. Innovative fight concepts and good fight scenes, distinctive visual style. Equilibrium was an excellent movie, but this really did fall short, not even in the same ballpark as Eq. But it has its strengths I give it 2.5 stars.
I might even see it again because my roommate's not gone for the weekend and if I'm desperate enough to avoid him. I'll buy the DVD if there's a director's cut.
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Post by Psyclops on Mar 4, 2006 14:08:09 GMT -5
Wraith,
Those Asian guys on the rooftop were gangsters called The Blood Chinois. They controlled the top levels of the building that the Hemophages were hiding in so they couldn't reach those levels without permission (I get the impression they were allowing the vampires to live there in exchange for something). I believe they cut a few lines of a quick phone conversation between Nerva and the lead gangster where he tries to negotiate a deal with them to capture Violet on the rooftop.
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Post by kingdaywalker on Mar 4, 2006 15:25:39 GMT -5
Had fun in some weird kind of a way. Found myself laughing a lot. Thought the movie was pretty horrible though. Glimpses of something great, but the horrible cgi, chopped up action scenes among other things, and one too many hallways full of people in this one. ha. I admire Wimmer for what he tried to do with the budget. I mean.... there is someting to be said for attempting a Helicopter chase on the side of buildings, I love it when filmmakers swing big... but the version i saw was a miss, but its better than not trying IMO. Reading the rough cut comparisons... a lot of the "small" changes would have made a huge difference I think. Acting of the leads was fine... even good in some parts I think. Wish I had about $300 million to throw to kurt. He deserves it. I went to an 8:10 and it was sold out as was the showing after it. That is always good. I remember seeing Equilibrium on opening night and there were about 6 other people in there with me. So hopefully It'll at least get us another Wimmer movie... even though I'd probably call it quits after the way he has been treated with the last two.
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Post by jackmode on Mar 4, 2006 16:43:52 GMT -5
this movie is great......best movie of 06 ..... hands down......
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 16:52:27 GMT -5
this movie is great......best movie of 06 ..... hands down...... I know thats your opinion but its only March..........and I'd be willing to bet Superman Returns is about 1000 times better than UV as will alot of movies this year. Anyways I was reading Psyclops posts about the cuts to the film, and I do think some of that stuff would have helped but I also agree with him that the biggest problem was the script. Even in a pulpy/comic book movie better dialogue can be expected. Hell I read comics and I know I've seen better dialogue than that in all comics now days. The movie has some great ideas and cool concepts but it also has so much wrong with it. Ah well everyone has there own ideas and I'm sure by the end of '06 after watching many other much better films this won't matter lol.
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Post by jackmode on Mar 4, 2006 17:00:00 GMT -5
ehhh...i dont like super-man...the only movies i see possibly overthrowing this one....MI:3 and X:men 3.....and i dont like xmen...so maybe just MI:3
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 17:02:25 GMT -5
ehhh...i dont like super-man...the only movies i see possibly overthrowing this one....MI:3 and X:men 3.....and i dont like xmen...so maybe just MI:3 Didn't say you had to like Superman just saying it will be a better film. And yes i'm looking forrward to MI:3 also very much, as for X-Men 3, well i enjoyed the first 2, but I think they went and added too many characters this time, and I just hope they don't ruin it.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 17:18:21 GMT -5
I know thats your opinion but its only March..........and I'd be willing to bet Superman Returns is about 1000 times better than UV ... Well, you are not getting my vote. I did not like the trailer at all. Frankly I'm tired of "comic" adaptation films. I'll take UV any day with it's over the top pulpy action and comic framing to a traditional adaptation film.
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 17:21:14 GMT -5
I know thats your opinion but its only March..........and I'd be willing to bet Superman Returns is about 1000 times better than UV ... Well, you are not getting my vote. I did not like the trailer at all. Haha, I do admit the teaser trailer was weak, but I'm sure the overall movie will be just fine. Almost can never judge a movie by its trailer really. I mean sure sometimes but not to often......but this is a discussion for June when the movie gets closer to release, or next month when a new trailer comes out. And yes there are way to many comic adaptions lately but hes such an iconic chracter that it will be good to see him back on the big screen. I'll take mroe Batman and Superman movies any day over Marvel Comic stuff.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 17:24:47 GMT -5
In my hum. op. this guy on IMDb hit it right on...
by littonius Okay, call me pretentious for paying attention to the subtle nuances of the film, but this movie was crazy comic-bookish. Wimmer probably accomplished that style better than they did in Sin City (that's not to say this is better than Sin City). But each frame looked like it was straight from a comic book. I'd wager that actors were coached how to stand like comic book figures (just look at the positioning of legs and such). The reaction shots, the bullet trails, just about everything is astoundingly comic-bookish. It's something most people probably overlooked or didn't respect for what it was.
Oh yeah, but the effects at the end were so terrible it did sort of ruin the movie..
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 17:25:53 GMT -5
I know thats your opinion but its only March..........and I'd be willing to bet Superman Returns is about 1000 times better than UV ... In my hum. op. this guy on IMDb had it right... by littonius Okay, call me pretentious for paying attention to the subtle nuances of the film, but this movie was crazy comic-bookish. Wimmer probably accomplished that style better than they did in Sin City (that's not to say this is better than Sin City). But each frame looked like it was straight from a comic book. I'd wager that actors were coached how to stand like comic book figures (just look at the positioning of legs and such). The reaction shots, the bullet trails, just about everything is astoundingly comic-bookish. It's something most people probably overlooked or didn't respect for what it was.
Oh yeah, but the effects at the end were so terrible it did sort of ruin the movie.. That guy makes good points, all though better style wise than Sin City, not even close, I have read all the Sin City graphic novles, and tehy captured it perfectly on screen. Maybe this was what Wimmer was doing, all thought he blur effect still really sucked. Maybe on DVD with commentaries we will know more what they were thinking, and if that's the style they were going for then great, but it was still not a good movie regardless. Stylish, cool action, yes it had that, but a good film, still no for me.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 4, 2006 17:39:30 GMT -5
It's unsure at this point if that "blurred" effect was Wimmer's doing or the studios. It was not in the rough cut that Psyclops saw.
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Post by kalaong on Mar 4, 2006 17:49:20 GMT -5
I would say that UltraViolet feels like what Face/Off would have been if someone let Nancy Reagan make the final cut. Wimmer's a fairly good scriptwriter-the plot twist where the government did too good a job of genocide and needed a new cause was superb. But lots of themes were introduced and then abandoned. All that's left relatively intact are his superb action sequences - and it looks like somebody's been trying to kill those too. (Wimmer's not shy about blood-he chopped Taye Diggs' face off! But the only blood in the film is the stuff in the tanks and what dribbled from Violet's fists after she cut herself.) Maybe it's just my fancy, but I think there was a fantastic movie hidden in there, it just felt like someone chopped it to pieces.
Wimmer should try working with Warner Brothers. If they'll let the Wachowskis direct V for Vendetta well enough to impress Straczynski they'd give him the leeway to become the next John Woo.
I had one nitpick, but I say it's forgivable. Everybody wears masks to prevent infection, but Violet walks around blatantly without one. But you can't have Milla Jovovich in a movie and keep her face covered ninety percent of the time!
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Post by -mark- on Mar 4, 2006 17:56:56 GMT -5
I would say that UltraViolet feels like what Face/Off would have been if someone let Nancy Reagan make the final cut. Funny, but Face/Off, UV is not....... I totally agree, cool concepts, just poorly executed and alot of this seems because the studio took over the film, but even from what Psyclops said about the cuts, not sure how much difference it would ahve made. Again this is the studio wanting a PG-13 action film so there goes any blood. This may be true, possibly a full Wimmer cut will be a better film, but way to early to compare him to the legendary John Woo. But i still agree if givent he chance Wimmer is on his way to great things no doubt about that. And for the record the Matrix dudes did not direct V For Vendetta, they are the producers on it. Totally agree, can't have the hot chick covered up. ;D
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Post by Cleric Dogbert on Mar 4, 2006 18:16:41 GMT -5
You know, going into this movie, I didn't expect much. I just wanted to see what Kurt could do with a little more money. I know the story was going to be comic book like, so I am not disappointed in it. Maybe I am just easily amused, but I thought the action sequences were good. The fight with the Blood Chinos was interesting and some of the first person effects were okay. I'll pick it up on DVD when it comes out just so that I can add to my Kurt Wimmer collection
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