Waylaid
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Post by Waylaid on Apr 4, 2004 4:27:45 GMT -5
Now that the EQ have revolutionised gunfights, where would GunKata go from here? How long until future movies used GK to the point of overused? Do you think we should come up with more original ways to fight with two (or more) guns akimbo?
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 5, 2004 7:08:46 GMT -5
That's nothing you should be afraid of, I think. Firstly and forwardly, I suppose that Gun Kata is protected by creative rights, and hence anyone else than Kurt Wimmer (or whoever has the rights), trying to create a movie using it will have to clear it with them first. Another thing for your consideration, Gun Kata in the form presented in this movie has little to no application in most situations... Meaning that if you're standing on a battlefield, with 2000 enemies in the hills in front of you, and 500 friendly soldiers next to you, it won't make much sense trying to dodge bullets or anything like it, since you'll most likely get shot regardless of how you jump/flip/run/teleport/warp around the battlefield. The only place it's actually worth anything is against a limited number of opponents, at close / medium range. While that could be used in some movies, most movies prefer a shotgun in one hand and a sword in the other for that kind of thing, it appears...  |
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Post by ScyithCleric on Apr 10, 2004 7:57:54 GMT -5
Sorry to break it to you Gun Kata fans but this is totally bullsh*t. Yes it looks nice, but in real life, you would have to be something like a Bruce Lee to even come close to fighting someone at close range with a gun, as Preston did in the movie.
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Post by aka Jack Torrence on Apr 10, 2004 11:19:20 GMT -5
Gun Kata was an exciting (and to my mind, more or less completely original) concept to use in a movie, and Wimmer incorporated it so well into the movie. But in a real life gunfight scenario it'd get you killed quicker than you could kill yourself!
(Unless your opponents couldn't hit the side of a barn, much like the laughably inept Sweepers who couldn't hit Preston even when they outnumbered and outgunned him!)
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 11, 2004 8:24:48 GMT -5
*yawn* Keep it in the pub... we don't need this. |
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Post by JenGe on Apr 11, 2004 9:37:11 GMT -5
*yawn* Keep it in the pub... we don't need this. To what exactly are you referring to because from what I read every thing on this thread belongs right in this board?? |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 11, 2004 14:55:50 GMT -5
*yawn* Keep it in the pub... we don't need this. Everyone has a right on this board to post about any issue that's relevant, and I'm starting to notice a worrying trend here. Some advice, you're attempting to develop Gun Kata for real with airsoft, discussions I've taken part in myself - however you're forgetting one thing. People will keep posting what they think regardless of what you say, go with the flow and answer the questions, if you have to twenty times over. You don't see Kurt or Jim saying: Yawn, EQ, finished that...keep it in the pub. I'm a developer, but not of Gun Kata, and I have to answer the same questions thirty different ways 24/7 most of the time. You want people to respect you and take you seriously, don't shout them down. |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 11, 2004 14:59:50 GMT -5
Now that the EQ have revolutionised gunfights, where would GunKata go from here? How long until future movies used GK to the point of overused? Do you think we should come up with more original ways to fight with two (or more) guns akimbo? I'll quote from the Crow to give you my take on this. "I started the first fires in this goddamn city, and before I knew it, every Charlatan and Shithead was imitating me...do you know what they have now? Devil's Night greeting cards...how precious... No gentlemen, the idea has become the institution." It's like that with Bullet Time, it's so over-used in movies, games and I expect to see it soon in TV. So far Gun Kata hasn't really appeared in the mainstream enough to be jumped on upon by the media. All that could change with Ultraviolet however. |
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 3:42:17 GMT -5
Sorry to break it to you Gun Kata fans but this is totally bullsh*t. Yes it looks nice, but in real life, you would have to be something like a Bruce Lee to even come close to fighting someone at close range with a gun, as Preston did in the movie. JenGe & Wolf: I was referring to this one, which I found offensive. Sorry, guess I wasn't in a good mood or something. But looking over it now I still find it offensive - he's basically telling us that the last 5-6 months of development is bull****... That's not very nice now, is it?  I wasn't referring to the thread as a whole. Wolf - I'm aware of what you're saying - and believe me - I know about repetition! (I work as tech support for server / pro multimedia products). We're working on a compilation of what's in the older threads, so that people won't have to post the same questions over and over again. Sorta like a "common gun kata development knowledge". Rymel is doing some proofreading on it now, and as soon as he's done, I'll add a bit more and post it. That should make it easier for us to answer the repetitive queries properly.  -Esben |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 12, 2004 5:28:44 GMT -5
I can see where you might take offense at this particular fellow, but he could also be saying that Kurt/Jim's idea of Gun Kata is total BS and wouldn't work in RL. I'm always of the belief that, nothing is impossible there are only various different levels of the improbable. Good idea on the common knowledge, often in the game design industry we tend to trawl up a FAQ for such occasions, but still we end up repeating ourselves |
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 6:35:01 GMT -5
Well at least in that case the repetition can be C-P'ed from the FAQ in most cases, saving you the trouble of typing it all again Anyways, I see what you mean - it just seems generally hostile, and I don't like that... hence the recommendation to take his brawling to the pub, and not start fights in here |
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 6:37:18 GMT -5
...I'm always of the belief that, nothing is impossible there are only various different levels of the improbable... Beautiful! I couldn't agree more. Which is why I'm doing this thing in the first place |
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Waylaid
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Post by Waylaid on Apr 12, 2004 8:48:22 GMT -5
I never asked anything about using GK in real-life! I'm talking about future storytellers who wished to used gunfights in an original manner besides GK!
Title of this thread suggests BEYOND! Is there anything beyond GK? Should we future moviemakers, comic writers, etc. come up with more original ways of using gunfights in action scenes?
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 9:21:13 GMT -5
Freedom of speech mate - this is a discussion, and as you may be familiar with, these things usually get sidetracked.
I offered you my view on it at the top, and I suggest you seek out a thread called 'Ultra Kata' in this forum, for some more elaborate 'beyond gun kata' info (since it's been discussed before).
Ah I'll whip up a link, 2 minutes...
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 9:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by JenGe on Apr 12, 2004 9:41:05 GMT -5
Freedom of speech mate - this is a discussion, and as you may be familiar with, these things usually get sidetracked. I offered you my view on it at the top, and I suggest you seek out a thread called 'Ultra Kata' in this forum, for some more elaborate 'beyond gun kata' info (since it's been discussed before). Ah I'll whip up a link, 2 minutes... Actually EsbenF you are not completely correct... Ultra Kata is more about UV then other films by other filmakers or where the concept of Gun action could go... Now, I am starting to have a problem with you myself because Waylaid has every right to re-explain what his thread that he posted was originally about to get it back on track. As to ScyithCleric's post it was not to you, it was not about you, nor your "Gun Kata Development." And to hell with free speech!! Stop bleeding your personal offences onto other threads please!! |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 12, 2004 10:00:10 GMT -5
I never asked anything about using GK in real-life! I'm talking about future storytellers who wished to used gunfights in an original manner besides GK! Title of this thread suggests BEYOND! Is there anything beyond GK? Should we future moviemakers, comic writers, etc. come up with more original ways of using gunfights in action scenes? The next big action scene/design and implimentation, is always a step away. As a developer/writer not only in the PC industry but also the table-top RPG industry as well, it's very hard to come up with the next big thing. I'm all for the good old fashioned slick gunplay action, it's nice to see some innovations however and for example, Gun Kata was a refreshing break from all the bullet-time action that was going about back then. Hong Kong movies have been combining slick gunplay with martial arts, odd camera angles and some stunning moves for quite a while. Yet the western world is only just really catching up, partly thanks to the Matrix and EQ that have shown the future generations of film makers that they don't have to rely on run-of-the mill techniques and creations. As a writer, it was a challenge for me, when I wrote House of Cards, to put Gun Kata into text just as it's a challenge for me to come up with some interesting variations on 'I shoot him lots' in the story Memories. Hopefully this is more of the kind of answer you're looking for Waylaid. |
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Post by TrustKill on Apr 12, 2004 10:08:43 GMT -5
*puts on clown costume and dances*
-come on folks... turn those frowns, upside down.
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Post by EsbenF on Apr 12, 2004 10:09:12 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say to that, I meant what I said in a friendly tone... The reason for my referral to freedom of speech was simply that he seemed very angry, with all the text in bold and the exclamation marks and all. Now I don't have a problem with that as such, which is why I kept it friendly. And about the Ultra Kata thread, since we really have no information on what's going to be in Ultra Violet, what myself and Rymel wrote in there was about where we saw the gun kata being taken in the future. That only goes with our own ideas and such, since we had nothing else to go with really - but I thought that was what Waylaid was looking for. My mistake I guess. And about what ScyithCleric said, Wolf already pointed out to me that it could be intended otherwise, which I'd missed. Since English is my second language, I can sometimes miss things in how a sentence is intended to be read, and just read it as I think it's supposed - and to me that looked like a reference to some of the other discussions that's been going on over the last few days. And for reference: *yawn* Keep it in the pub... we don't need this. This was basically referring to the offensiveness, not the contents of the post. I was just tired of people being so rude. I really don't get it here |
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Waylaid
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Post by Waylaid on Apr 12, 2004 20:05:53 GMT -5
Well, sorry Esben, don't mean to be angry. I just had to point out to people here what's this thread's about 'cos they don't understand.
We need to come with more innovative gunfight scenes if us future storytellers, filmmakers, comic writers etc. wish to make history....
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 13, 2004 5:02:49 GMT -5
Well, sorry Esben, don't mean to be angry. I just had to point out to people here what's this thread's about 'cos they don't understand. We need to come with more innovative gunfight scenes if us future storytellers, filmmakers, comic writers etc. wish to make history.... Excuse me? Several people here were actually stepping forwards to defend you, I find your reply rather ungreatful, so in the future if someone rips your head off -- I'll stand back and let them. Don't assume that everyone here doesn't understand, or you'll make the same mistake as Esben did re: Gun Kata development bub. And I have yet to see you reply to my particular thoughts on the subject. But don't bother. |
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Post by TrustKill on Apr 13, 2004 8:28:52 GMT -5
everyone knows what happens when you assume...
you make an ASS out of U and ME. but mostly yourself.
-ASSUME... get it?
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 13, 2004 8:49:46 GMT -5
*grins at Trust*
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Post by TrustKill on Apr 13, 2004 8:53:06 GMT -5
::shrugs:: -other than making trouble, i really have nothing substancial to bring to the table in this discussion. -bambi's mom was wrong. if you dont have anything nice to say, make sure you can at least make other people laugh while saying it. |
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Post by JenGe on Apr 13, 2004 11:23:08 GMT -5
Why do I get the feeling that there is almost as much testosterone running rampant on the Gun Kata board as there is estrogen loose on the Bale Board??   |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 13, 2004 11:28:21 GMT -5
Why do I get the feeling that there is almost as much testosterone running rampant on the Gun Kata board as there is estrogen loose on the Bale Board?? I totally agree, but with me, it's not testosterone...it's a dwindling lack of patience with certain elements. |
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Post by JenGe on Apr 13, 2004 11:31:58 GMT -5
... lack of patience with certain elements. Would that be rain, wind, or fire?? |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 13, 2004 11:39:14 GMT -5
Would that be rain, wind, or fire?? wind I think |
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Post by TrustKill on Apr 13, 2004 12:04:51 GMT -5
how about earth, wind, and fire? isnt that a band?
-and what do you mean too much testosterone? didnt you see me put on the clown suit? thats not very manly at all. see the lengths i go to to diffuse the tension? yeesh. now i need more anabolic steroids...
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Apr 13, 2004 12:14:11 GMT -5
how about earth, wind, and fire? isnt that a band? -and what do you mean too much testosterone? didnt you see me put on the clown suit? thats not very manly at all. see the lengths i go to to diffuse the tension? yeesh. now i need more anabolic steroids... It's appreciated amigo, actually, since you're a fellow writer...what's your 2 cents on the whole idea of over-used Gun Kata? as Waylaid said originally? |
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