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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 14:50:51 GMT -5
OK, I'm gonna take ya to the rack for that one!!  Without the gun kata EQ would not be a Matrix rip off...it wouldn't even be an action film at all. Stylized action (Gun Kata) is the only reason that "action Philistines" are even making the comparison at all between the two films. Gotta agree with Jen there, EQ and Matrix are so way far apart it's not funny. EQ's story is totally different to the Matrix even with the action and Gun Kata, and from a purely Cinematic pov - EQ never uses fancy CGI sfx to get the action across, it's pure cinematic techniques fair and square. |
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 16:05:16 GMT -5
Gotta agree with Jen there, EQ and Matrix are so way far apart it's not funny. EQ's story is totally different to the Matrix even with the action and Gun Kata, and from a purely Cinematic pov - EQ never uses fancy CGI sfx to get the action across, it's pure cinematic techniques fair and square. but we're talking about the general populace here, and you know they like to generalize everything...and if you were really picky you could say the matrix and eq are similar in the whole big brother concept but i agree totally, the thing that made this so much better was the fact there no wire work was required and special effects were used as an ACCENT, not a reliance. i haven't read the ultraviolet info yet...it has gun kata as well...? |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 16:07:37 GMT -5
It will have the next generation of Gun Kata according to Wimmer, which is going to be interesting to see...since he's basing it off Wushu this time IIRC.
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 16:08:43 GMT -5
word... equilibrium is indeed a lot different. i enjoy EQ infinitely more than "matrix:reloaded" or as my friend says "the shitrix:retarded".
-TrustKill-
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 16:22:01 GMT -5
oh no...i fear for gun kata now. modern wushu is NOT a combat art, no matter what ANYONE tells you. even jet li thinks modern wushu's a joke. why couldn't he base it off of other, more traditional arts? the only reason it's china's national martial art is because all the original arts have religious ties that they're denying (the burning of the temples). it'd be interesting to see it all acrobatic-like, but it might just turn it into a john woo movie  i dunno, it wimmer, so i'll give him a chance. if he destroys gun kata with this, i'll show him his art up close and personal ;D and er...what's IIRC? i don't keep up with net acronyms... |
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Post by JenGe on Dec 30, 2003 16:23:23 GMT -5
word... equilibrium is indeed a lot different. i enjoy EQ infinitely more than "matrix:reloaded" or as my friend says "the shitrix:retarded". -TrustKill- Careful TrustKill...we have a bunch of Matrix fans here who just might make you eat dem words...  **Waiting to push "Brawl" option** |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 16:24:02 GMT -5
Careful TrustKill...we have a bunch of Matrix fans here who just might make you eat dem words... **Waiting to push "Brawl" option** I can hear the sound of a big metal pole |
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 16:26:04 GMT -5
hey hey hey... never said it was my opinion. my FRIEND calls it that.
-granted, yes, i laugh when he calls it that, but i think the movie has its redeeming factors unlike him.
- i can give you matrix kids his email address if youd like ::wink:: anything to keep the fire off myself. heheh.
-TrustKill-
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Post by JenGe on Dec 30, 2003 16:28:30 GMT -5
... it'd be interesting to see it all acrobatic-like, but it might just turn it into a john woo movie i dunno, it wimmer, so i'll give him a chance. if he destroys gun kata with this, i'll show him his art up close and personal ;D... Ok, here is a little look...note the blade coming from the gunbutt... Now take a look at the interview... www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/UV-MIinterview.htm |
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 16:30:54 GMT -5
yeah, i read that interview yesterday actually. it sounds exciting.
-the blades from the gun butt seem a tad more hazardous than is neccessary though. seems like that guns user is asking for trouble.
-on another note, they should use steyr TMP's instead of MAC 11's. i get tired of seeing those things take all the machine pistol spotlight...
-TRustKill-
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 16:32:16 GMT -5
oh no...i fear for gun kata now. modern wushu is NOT a combat art, no matter what ANYONE tells you. even jet li thinks modern wushu's a joke. why couldn't he base it off of other, more traditional arts? the only reason it's china's national martial art is because all the original arts have religious ties that they're denying (the burning of the temples). it'd be interesting to see it all acrobatic-like, but it might just turn it into a john woo movie i dunno, it wimmer, so i'll give him a chance. if he destroys gun kata with this, i'll show him his art up close and personal ;D and er...what's IIRC? i don't keep up with net acronyms... I'll have to tell Ray that next time I see him, about Wushu...mind you, he's become a bit enamoured with the character he played in Episode 1 now, so fame's altered him a bit. IIRC = If I remember Correctly. I'm an old Net Hound, I remember it when it was just BBS and nothing else. And this is important to remember: It's Wimmer's Gun Kata, it's his vision and like I have the rights with anything I create - to take it any direction I choose, regardless of what anyone thinks. So does, Kurt. |
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 16:35:07 GMT -5
And this is important to remember: It's Wimmer's Gun Kata, it's his vision and like I have the rights with anything I create - to take it any direction I choose, regardless of what anyone thinks. So does, Kurt. i was going to say something here about starwars: episode 1 and George Lucas.... but i decided that would be a bad idea... |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 16:41:31 GMT -5
I never did like Ep 1 much to be honest, and Ep 2 didn't grab me. Films like EQ grab me much more, and well...as for Lord of the Rings (all 3 movies) heh, I could go on for days.
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 16:45:02 GMT -5
yeah, what i was trying to say was that sure, you were right about it being kurt's art to do with what he will, but look at what happened when lucas did episode 1.
-::gulp:: JAR JAR BINKS...
-hopefully wimmer does a better job of taking his gun-kata idea into the next generation.
-TrustKill-
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 16:48:20 GMT -5
I think Wimmer has less to worry about, Lucas started to pander to fan service and in an attempt to pull modern kids into the movie, he created Disney like comedy character.
Who sucked like a toothless budgie.
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 16:51:10 GMT -5
don't get me wrong, i love the matrix too, but more for the philosophy, as i was thinking those same thoughts before the movies came out...i've always been interested in ai and immersive environments.
wolf - he'll probly get really offended, but hey i don't remember wushu in the old school, do you? i remember the animal styles, and the burning of the schools/temples because of their allegiances, both political and religious.
i know it's his gun kata, but that doesn't mean he'll do what's best for it ^_^; but like i said, it's his, so we'll see. i don't know about those blades coming out of the handle like that though. it does seem like more of a hazard than a help. tonfa-oriented weaponry would make more sense. like the gun with a tonfa-like extension underneath, be it stick or blade. safer for the user and deadlier IMHO. takes away stabbing motions, but you could add a shorter blade for that. very short.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 17:00:20 GMT -5
He'll have more money this time around to develop his style however, along with Chinese Martial arts advice. I tend to look upon the Martial Arts as a constantly evolving form of excercise/attack/defence...
Almost a spiritual journey at the core of it, so each step taken on that road is a new one. It's like the great novel written by many people, each new writer that sets down a chapter can take the story in new and unique ways.
To me, once you formalise and regiment a school of martial arts - you are essentially taking that first freedom away from it, so I'm pleased Wushu exists, and there will be more variants of the art appear as time progresses.
The key is flexibility - I was always taught that a willow bends in the wind, if it doesn't it breaks.
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 17:01:12 GMT -5
like a retractable utility knife type blade...
-TrustKill-
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 17:15:13 GMT -5
maybe like a retractable, but that would make the grip bigger i think. or it could flip down fromt he tonfa extension, i dunno.
wolf, i totally agree. nothing to say about that.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 17:26:01 GMT -5
Thanks Rymel  But to bring the topic back to the original idea, is it possible to generate a martial art based on the statistical probability of where your opponents would be, not just in a gun battle but a real battle, are there specific attacks that the modern assailant use compared to someone who's trained. Case in point. I was able to defeat two particular people when I used to do a bit of door work at a local nightclub, because their attacks were predictable. They were both used to making wide sweeping hooks and were clumsy and uncoordinated in their attacks. From their stance and the way they moved, this was ascertained. I would have been interested, if time could be rolled back...would they have used the same means and the same position again? exactly... And if they had decided to press their attack after being disuaded, would they have tried to alter their methods or trusted in a predicatable...we're bigger than you are, and therefore we can take you on, mentality. Perhaps that's one of the keys to the idea, mentality...the frame of mind of the warrior. Heh, just mad random thoughts. |
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 17:34:16 GMT -5
mentality definitely has an effect on your combat standpoint. it effects your posture, your thought process, etc.
-good thoughts you have there.
-TrustKill-
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 17:38:59 GMT -5
thank you, i knew i wasn't the only one who noticed the sweeping hook or the overhead hook smash. you'd think people would learn that that DOESNT work from movies alone. but yea i agree about the statistical probability system.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 17:44:17 GMT -5
Cheers both, for me, I have always put an element of probability into my art, but the true trick is in improvising...because if they do something unexpected, you have to react fast.
I think that's why I love Preston so much, because he does improvise, but he improvises as a Cleric would...which means, in split seconds...you're spitting teeth right before you die.
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 17:47:56 GMT -5
thank you, i knew i wasn't the only one who noticed the sweeping hook or the overhead hook smash. you'd think people would learn that that DOESNT work from movies alone. but yea i agree about the statistical probability system. hehe, im a big fan of when guys try to be macho and put their arms out and try to bump chests with you and stuff. it makes me really have to struggle to not laugh. -TrustKill- |
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 17:58:17 GMT -5
hahaha, i haven't seen that in so long...this board needs a laughing smiley
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Post by TrustKill on Dec 30, 2003 18:03:02 GMT -5
yeah, that move is pretty "highschool" style...
personally, i dont like smileys much. besides, nothing is wrong w/ a little rapid "heheheh" typing action to get the point across.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 30, 2003 18:03:17 GMT -5
I like this one: ;D
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Post by Rymel on Dec 30, 2003 19:23:39 GMT -5
i use that one way too much in this other forum
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Post by Me on Feb 15, 2004 22:52:07 GMT -5
i think we cannot practice gun kata in front of real enemies exept if we take prozium. And since prozium dosent exist mayb we could take other kind of drugs that keeps the mind focused and the feelings almost neutral. I dont know if one of you alredy played paintball but its really stressing the first time.Mayb with practice you get good but youll have to play your whole life to kill 50 person to yourself like preston did.And to count the number of bullets left in the clip at the same time it is completly insane.even thought a cleric spends his life memorising gun katas? There is so much differant possibilyties its no human to know them all. Thats my idea damnit! |
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 16, 2004 10:58:50 GMT -5
correct me if i am wrong, but i would assume gun-kata is much like other martial arts. sure you learn really specific katas and patterns during training, but, like you said, its impossible to remember all the possible combinations. i think it is more about improvisation and combination of basic skills than memorizing a set pattern of maneuvers.
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i dunno, it wimmer, so i'll give him a chance. if he destroys gun kata with this, i'll show him his art up close and personal ;D
