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Post by pyro on Jun 5, 2003 19:12:19 GMT -5
well i would like to thank savoir for the spoiler warning because i HAVENT SEEN the 13th floor but was going to rent it,i again thank you
damn, Damn, DAMN!
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Post by JenGe on Jun 5, 2003 23:25:05 GMT -5
Oooopsss!!! Sorry Pyro, I really should have caught that and added a spoiler warning myself!! I'll be more vigilant in the future.
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 6, 2003 0:51:05 GMT -5
A nearly unforgivable lapse...
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Post by JenGe on Jun 6, 2003 8:06:08 GMT -5
A nearly unforgivable lapse... "Nice grab, Cleric."
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Post by Trinity on Jun 6, 2003 18:28:37 GMT -5
>>>Does anyone know how many of his own stunts Christian Bale did?<<< Hello, all. I wanted to respond to this, since several of the messages asked this question. Christian Bale did all of his stunts, except for two. There was no specification of which two, however, I do know that the flip off the motorcycle was not Christian. Thus, our hot man, Bale did almost all of his stunts. He ROCKS! As to Neo vs. Preston...come on, everyone. Preston would kick serious butt on dopey Neo anyday, anywhere. Not to mention that Christian Bale SHOULD have played Neo. Can you all imagine how much better The Matrix movies would have been with Christian? Whoa! I am a serious Matrix fanatic, but after I saw Equilibrium, I was so blown away. It is definitely as good as The Matrix, in my opinion. Also, if you further consider that Kurt Wimmer had only a $20 million budget for Equilibrium, whereas, the Wachowkis had a $75 million budget for The Matrix, then Equilibrium is the superior film. Trinity
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Post by BMaloney on Jun 6, 2003 20:06:49 GMT -5
damn I missed that perfect chance at a pun! NOOO...
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Post by Balehead on Jun 7, 2003 9:50:58 GMT -5
Not to mention that Christian Bale SHOULD have played Neo. I think that Keanu Reeves is better for the part of Neo in the Matrix, instead of Christian, because I think Christian is too good an actor to be in a movie that is mostly built on special effects. I'm not too sure Christian would want to play the part either, considering Neo doesn't have too many meaningful lines (in the first of the Matrix trilogy) and doesn't need to do too much serious acting in the movie. Don't get me wrong, though, I think the Matrix is a really good movie, too (not as good as EQ though ).
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Post by JenGe on Jun 7, 2003 10:08:29 GMT -5
I can't believe how dense I am sometimes!!! (SMACK!!!) Spoiler warnings have just been added to mine and savior's 13th Floor posts.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 9, 2003 18:51:08 GMT -5
I think that Keanu Reeves is better for the part of Neo in the Matrix, instead of Christian, because I think Christian is too good an actor to be in a movie that is mostly built on special effects. I'm not too sure Christian would want to play the part either, considering Neo doesn't have too many meaningful lines (in the first of the Matrix trilogy) and doesn't need to do too much serious acting in the movie. Yes, I would have to agree with this. The Neo role would not be challenging enough for Christian. It's just a shame that in Reloaded (and no doubt Revolutions), Neo appears so vapid.
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Post by Prozium on Jun 22, 2003 22:09:52 GMT -5
Oustide of the Matrix, Neo is a scrawny weak man who had just awoken from a virtual world. Preston could beat him down blind folded
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Post by StarDancer on Jun 23, 2003 14:09:08 GMT -5
>>>Does anyone know how many of his own stunts Christian Bale did?<<< Hello, all. I wanted to respond to this, since several of the messages asked this question. Christian Bale did all of his stunts, except for two. There was no specification of which two, however, I do know that the flip off the motorcycle was not Christian. Thus, our hot man, Bale did almost all of his stunts. He ROCKS! The other one was the in the air sideways spin that (I think) was done by a swimmer, lol. I can't remember exactly where I read that since I've read so much stuff in the past month. But I figured Bale never did that one anyway. In the Chud interview with Wimmer, Wimmer said he thought Bale was a tap dancer. *snort* I've never read that about Bale anywhere else, but I'm not dissing it. Dancers are very athletic and coordinated. While Christian reminds me more of a sports athlete, he could very well be a dancer. I took Tai Chi and Ninjitsu for a year and in Tai Chi they call it a 'dance.' Anyone who is talented as a dancer can learn to do the martial arts moves quickly and look good at it. Since we know Bale is in real life physically talented (I mean as in athletics here, although there's the look factor, too) he's primo for the action genre. As for The Matrix, where's the plot! I'm not a big Matrix fan, but I love Equilibrium because it's a remake of 60's style science fiction. The ending is like A Clockwork Orange, too. A good thing, not a rip off if you ask me. Matrix is ok for FX, though. It's like looking at the new Star Wars movies and rolling your eyes because of the over abundance of FX, but if you just see the FX, the movies rock. Bale and Reeves? No contest. Bale has The Mojo and Reeves is just A Dude.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2003 18:06:58 GMT -5
The other one was the in the air sideways spin that (I think) was done by a swimmer, lol. I can't remember exactly where I read that since I've read so much stuff in the past month. But I figured Bale never did that one anyway. Hey, StarDancer. I believe Christian Bale did perform that sideways spin. I was informed recently that the two stunts he did not perform were the bike flip, and the back flip where he dodges bullets at the end lobby scene. But it seems to me you may be right, since a back flip seems easier to perform than the spin. Does anyone else have any information regarding the second stunt Bale did not perform? Was it the spin or the back flip? I tried to watch closely in the movie, and I do think that is Christian doing the spin...not sure though.
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Post by StarDancer on Jun 23, 2003 18:25:28 GMT -5
Hey, Trinity.
A backflip, I forgot about that. Now, I couldn't say for sure. I think we should get Wimmer in here and find out once and for all. ;D
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Post by Trinity on Jun 23, 2003 18:30:54 GMT -5
Hey, Trinity. A backflip, I forgot about that. Now, I couldn't say for sure. I think we should get Wimmer in here and find out once and for all. ;D Absolutely! Then we can also ask him about the gun switch timing as well.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 24, 2003 8:38:56 GMT -5
I got some info for you guys... There were only three stunts that Bale did not perform himself...the gainer off the motorcycle, the somersault, and the side spin...the rest were him. On the Gun Switch...you're on your own...
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Post by StarDancer on Jun 24, 2003 12:14:53 GMT -5
Thanks. It makes sense to me that he didn't do any of them. If he had, he'd probably be a stunt man instead of an actor.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 24, 2003 12:41:19 GMT -5
I got some info for you guys... There were only three stunts that Bale did not perform himself...the gainer off the motorcycle, the somersault, and the side spin...the rest were him. On the Gun Switch...you're on your own... Ah, thanks for shedding light on this. As you can see, StarDancer and I were trying to figure out whether he did the back flip or the spin. Thanks so much for the info., Jen! As for the Gun Switch, in the Plot Hole Discussion, Bob Mundon posted that the draft script indicates the gun switch to have occurred at the car prior to the scene with the shooting of the dogs. I haven't read the entire script yet...shame on me. But this makes sense. Except, I don't know why they appeared to emphasize the gun switch at the execution scene in the film. Oh, well. I'll let it go... ;D
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Post by StarDancer on Jun 24, 2003 20:08:32 GMT -5
*slaps self* Re: my Christian was a tap dancer remark: I forgot that he was in 2 (?) musicals, and since I've never seen them, I didn't know about his abilities at dancing. Oh, ya, like I had any reason to think he couldn't dance. I was watching the producer and director's commentary and one of them mentioned if they had it to do again, they wouldn't hire real martial artists, but hire dancers! Great minds think alike.
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Post by Psoriac on Jun 24, 2003 22:34:50 GMT -5
I got some info for you guys... There were only three stunts that Bale did not perform himself...the gainer off the motorcycle, the somersault, and the side spin...the rest were him. On the Gun Switch...you're on your own... Actually there were only TWO stunts he didn't perform (according to the director's commentary). He did the sidespin himself.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 25, 2003 3:25:42 GMT -5
Actually there were only TWO stunts he didn't perform (according to the director's commentary). He did the sidespin himself. I know what the DVD commentary says but it was actually Mike Smith who performed all three of those stunts.
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Post by Psoriac on Jun 25, 2003 3:58:46 GMT -5
I know what the DVD commentary says but it was actually Mike Smith who performed all three of those stunts. Oh! I stand corrected. Where did you learn that from?
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Post by ClericEd on Jul 6, 2003 3:15:08 GMT -5
In a good old-fashioned gang-warfare fight I think it would be a bit of a deadlock. Preston knows where Neo is going to be and will shoot him, but Neo can dodge bullets. Preston can't fly but his kung-fu is pretty impressive and boy can he scowl. I think people would get bored of them fighting after about 10 minutes of bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-reload-bang-dodge.
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Post by StarDancer on Jul 6, 2003 12:33:58 GMT -5
In a good old-fashioned gang-warfare fight I think it would be a bit of a deadlock. Preston knows where Neo is going to be and will shoot him, but Neo can dodge bullets. Preston can't fly but his kung-fu is pretty impressive and boy can he scowl. I think people would get bored of them fighting after about 10 minutes of bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-bang-dodge-reload-bang-dodge. LOL! A deadlock means other things must be taken into consideration.
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Post by skippythegator on Jul 6, 2003 20:37:07 GMT -5
...like, what if Preston runs out of ammo. I would say (as I have before) that Neo would run out of wind real quick, while Preston (who's just warming up) would turn him into a fillet.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Jul 7, 2003 14:47:04 GMT -5
This is my first post. Right off the bat, I can't honestly see why there is a Matrix/EQ comparison at all. The story lines are completely different, and I'm sure that the history behind the culmination of what we know as the Matrix and EQ are at different ends of the spectrum as well. Given that, I believe that Cleric Preston would easily beat Neo in a real-world situation and that Mr. Anderson would have his butt handed to him. Being devoid of emotion in a combat situation (to include the awesome finale in EQ), Preston would have that advantage of disallowing emotion to be a catalyst in battle. In an earlier reply, I have to agree with Preston having trained all his life and having years of practice. The only advantage that Neo has is his ability to slow (or speed up his reaction time) to be able to deal with incoming attacks. He still has a hard time hitting agents with bullets
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Post by caramind on Jul 7, 2003 19:57:09 GMT -5
there are a real contrast between neo power and preston "skill"
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Post by gizest on Jul 8, 2003 12:46:06 GMT -5
5) Keanu doesn't really know Martial Arts...Christian Bale does. Keanu and the rest of the team spent months learning kung fu, therefore he does know it in real life now. ....Neo would win, simply because he is faster in the matrix, no1 else (no not even preston) can bend the matrix. Neo would learn Prestons moves, and then better them. I prefer EQ, but Neo would win. No question
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Jul 8, 2003 13:24:09 GMT -5
;D well, since both EQ and Matrix are fictional, I guess it would come down to real life between Keanu Reeves and Christian Bale.....lol Christian Bale would annihilate Keanu. Although I have a great respect for the Matrix movies and love Neo in them, I can relate to Preston more so. That's why I dig EQ so much. And can you say Gun Kata. That's the Shiznitt..!!
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Post by Tavolski on Jul 9, 2003 1:40:23 GMT -5
It all depends on where the fight took place.
Matrix: Neo would win without blinking an eye. However cool and badass Preston was, he was still a regular human. Neo can dodge bullets, move faster than Preston could comprehend, and Neo could fly away whenever he chose.
Reality (in the movie, not Bale v. Reeves): Quite the reverse. All of Neo's "training" that was downloaded only applies while in the Matrix. Preston's many years of training combined with his natural aptitude would leave him the victor.
Besides, Gun Kata is just cooler than the quasi-Kung Fu/anime fighting that Neo does.
This is all moot though. If either one was in the other's movie, they would probably be on the same side.
Yea! I'm now a Resistance Member and no longer a lowly Sense Offender! Hee hee.
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Post by Destrux on Jul 9, 2003 2:53:54 GMT -5
Mmmh... we have a difficult question here. On the one Hand we have Neo who is nearly the One of the matrix he decides what is to do and what s not.. but i think if Preston lives in the matrix he would probably not fighting him but fighting with him against other oponents, e.g. Agents. traitors or else.... i just want to remind you at the ending of the 2nd part reloaded ... where Neo stops the squiddy by only thinking of it because he feels them! We all are not really the all-seeing eye or the all-knowing god to so we could know about their fate... we yet dont know their possibilities and their skill . so we only could interpret the things we've seenwell long sentence short meaning.... ;D I think that Neo would win in and outside the matrix just because he knows everything on fighting styles *g and in RL Reeves also would win, because they had as before mentioned 4 months of training for Matrix 1&2&3 also... so Reeves can fight, Bale not just because Gun Kata is a fighting style which was invented in Wimmers backyard, if I remember correctly ;D so .. I'll be back (*austrianaccent* ;D)
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