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Post by JenGe on Apr 4, 2003 8:17:48 GMT -5
...i mean really it seems to me they fondle themselves while they watch that movie cuz of the way they talk about it. Bahahahahahah!!! You made my day!!
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Post by mothman on Apr 14, 2003 16:59:27 GMT -5
I think the real question is...Keanu Reeves vs. Christian Bale: 1) Keanu Reeves is a complete moron and will fall for all old school fight tricks like "You're shoes are untied" and "Oh my god! Quick look behind you!" 2) Christian Bale is buff. 3) Keanu Reeves is beer belly. 4) Gun Kata is cooler than Ninjitsu. 5) Keanu doesn't really know Martial Arts...Christian Bale does. 6) Christian would crush him faster than the career of Ricki Lake. As im a fan of both actors and movies you should know that keanu reeves, laurence fishburne, carrie anne-moss, and hugo weaving went through four months of martial arts traing before the matrix was shot and six months before the shooting of reloaded and revolutions... you should watch matrix revisited its a good video... I do admit though that BEFORE the matrix came out i didnt like keanu all that much but i did like christian bale.
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Post by Sus on Apr 14, 2003 18:15:55 GMT -5
Sus, your webpages are a scream. You should have been part of the Hunk Draft at CHUD. Next time they do it, I'll let you know. Preston would kick Neo's ass, just as Christian Bale does kick Keanu's acting ass. That'd be spiffy! And its so true, Keanu Reeves is an absolutely shocking actor.
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Post by Ark on May 10, 2003 0:46:28 GMT -5
Preston! ;D
Neo is yesterday... But may be tomorrow?
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Post by skippythegator on May 11, 2003 21:41:32 GMT -5
wasn't it mentioned on CHUD.com that Bale didn't have any martial arts preparation for EQ? I think he mentioned that he took a few weeks crash course in judo, though.
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Post by DreamTheaterSFG on May 12, 2003 7:28:34 GMT -5
I like Reeves. Bill and Ted rulez, thats a classic. I think he does his job well as Neo.
Overall sadly Neo would kick the living the crap out of Preston. Mainly because if Neo fought him in the Matrix he would have easily been able to win, and even without the help of the matrix he could just Download "gun-kata"(Kinda like how he downloaded kung-fu among many other things in the first matrix) into his mind and learn everything that Preston knows in 10 seconds, inseatd of having to train for it his whole life.
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Post by MANIMAL on May 12, 2003 13:00:09 GMT -5
Overall sadly Neo would kick the living the crap out of Preston. Mainly because if Neo fought him in the Matrix he would have easily been able to win, True, but Preston wouldnt be able to fight in matrix And even if he did DL it to himself what makes u think he can perform it, i mean we as people can learn things doesnt mean our bodies are capable of performing the task. He can do it in the matrix cuz hes using mind not body but in real world its alot different. So i would pick Preston to win in the real world simply cuz he has trained his Body and Mind not just his Mind like Neo
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Post by DreamTheaterSFG on May 12, 2003 16:01:55 GMT -5
The Matrix doesnt grant people the ability to use Kung-fu, they have to know it first to use it. If you remmber Neo learned the art of Kung-fu when he was still new to the matrix. At the time he had no idea about how much the matrix could be bent, he was like a child out of the womb...yet when Morphus spared with him, he was still able to go through each movement of Kung-fu rather easy. Also if you recall because the Matrix is so real to the mind, it makes it just as real to the body. For example, do you remmber when Neo hit the pavement in the Matrix(during his roof-top jumping exercise), and how he ended up getting hurt in real life anyway?
Granted i think Preston could use Gun-Kata better then Neo could. But Neo would have the knowledge of millions of other fighting styles, and have the abilty to fire and understand any firearm, even if Neo wasnt great with Gun-kata, he could switch over to a limitless amount of other styles....as oppose to Preston who would have had to depend on One style of fighting only, a style that would be very predictable to NEO, seeing as tho NEO would have allready known the Ins and Outs of every aspec of Gun-Kata. Theres just too much there for Preston to over come. Neo could learn in 3 minutes, what preston took his whole life to figure out.
Preston is a cooler and better charcter, but hes also a very different charcter. You see Preston is being portrayed as a regular man with excptional abilities. Neo on the other hand, is being portrayed as if hes the second coming of Chirst.
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Post by Balehead on May 12, 2003 21:50:54 GMT -5
Preston all the way! I mean, Neo couldn't even get himself to walk out on the ledge of the office building in the first one. What a wimp! Preston wouldn't let agents put some weird bug in him, either. And Keanu Reeves can't act for his life. The only reason he is somewhat good in the Matrix is he barely has any lines. And as some of you have already said, Christian Bale actually knows martial arts. I think that's really cool.
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Post by chicago27 on Jun 2, 2003 0:08:14 GMT -5
In the matrix - Neo Out of the matrix - Preston..although now that I have watched Reloaded it might be Neo. And..... With a shirt - Neo Shirtless - Preston (Just rented a few of his other movies last night...I didn't realize he was in Swing Kids or Shaft, I watched all of those a long time ago but never really noticed him. I just watched American Psycho....really disturbing but a great flick, not for everybody...and he looks really good!!! Watched that twice! )
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 2, 2003 5:48:07 GMT -5
Well, this is an interesting question, indeed.
I must point out the fact that Neo is actually skilled. Various forms of fighting were downloaded into his brain, and therefore, he effectively knows many forms of fighting, and we can assume he's mastered.
Would this not mean that he might be able to defeat Preston in hand-to-hand?
As all these forms of fighting were downloaded into his brain, I see no reason why this knowledge would be exclusive to the Matrix. I feel that he can still use these things OUTSIDE of the Matrix.
As much as I do enjoy Gunkata, the hand-to-hand appears to be what is essentially Wing Chun. Matched against Jiu Jutsu, I would like to see how Preston would perform. It'd be interesting.
I'm not a Matrix fanboy. I believe that both films are very well done and both have reasons to be watched.
Thoughts?
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Post by skippythegator on Jun 2, 2003 5:55:58 GMT -5
k here's a thought,
Neo vs. Buddy the Six-String Samurai ;D
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 2, 2003 6:07:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Six-String Samurai is pretty tight.
But, I think you're being overly cruel, so I'll give this one to Neo.
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Post by skippythegator on Jun 2, 2003 6:22:42 GMT -5
overly cruel? what did I do? but come on, Buddy has got more pizazz than Neo, his techniques are sharper and cleaner, plus he doesnt take himself as seriously I think neo's got a God complex or something...
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Post by JenGe on Jun 2, 2003 7:25:27 GMT -5
But can Neo fly in the real world?? Its not necessarily the fighting skills only but his ability to control and manipulate the permitters of the Matrix...work outside the confined rules... "the controls." Is he a god outside the Matrix?? I think Reloaded takes these questions up a notch.
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 2, 2003 12:36:34 GMT -5
There is difference between the parameters he can modify outside of the Matrix[i.e. flying, stopping bullets] to the gained knowledge he can use outside of it. I see no reason why he should not be able to use the things he has learned that can be applied to the real world.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 2, 2003 15:08:37 GMT -5
There is difference between the parameters he can modify outside of the Matrix[i.e. flying, stopping bullets] to the gained knowledge he can use outside of it. I know but I'm NOT referring to "gained knowledge." The fact is that Neo stopped the sentinels in the supposed "real world" just like he stopped the bullets in the Matrix. .....Parameters & Controls....and how far do his abilities extend?? Neo's parameters are vastly different than those of Preston's.
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 2, 2003 21:05:28 GMT -5
But how do we really know it was Neo that stopped the Sentinels?
It could have been the EMP from the ship that Bane was on, when he set it off.
It could have been someone else, for all we know.
It's basically a mystery.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 2, 2003 21:14:17 GMT -5
But how do we really know it was Neo that stopped the Sentinels? It could have been the EMP from the ship that Bane was on, when he set it off. It could have been someone else, for all we know. It's basically a mystery. Is it?? The clues are all there.
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 2, 2003 23:47:33 GMT -5
The clues ARE there, but they are also up to interpretation.
I have thought myself many ways the ending could be interpreted. There are many openings for what could happen in Revolutions.
*spoiler*
The most glaringly obvious being that the real world is, infact, another Matrix.
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Post by skippythegator on Jun 3, 2003 1:25:08 GMT -5
ok how about this - he may know the moves, but outside of the matrix I'll bet he has zero cardiovascular fitness a 90-pound weakling with holes in his arms and the back of his neck...and those have got to affect his body somehow. Like it or not, between two skilled fighters, unless there is a vast difference in physical speed, the larger fighter can simply overpower the smaller fighter. Preston's in great physical shape (from all those raids he goes on); Neo spends most of the day lying in a couch with a spike stuck in back of his head. **SPOILER** (Although since Agent Smith is now a "real world application" so to speak, I think we will soon see just how good Neo is out of the matrix...)
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 3, 2003 21:12:41 GMT -5
ok how about this - he may know the moves, but outside of the matrix I'll bet he has zero cardiovascular fitness ;) a 90-pound weakling with holes in his arms and the back of his neck...and those have got to affect his body somehow. Like it or not, between two skilled fighters, unless there is a vast difference in physical speed, the larger fighter can simply overpower the smaller fighter. Preston's in great physical shape (from all those raids he goes on); Neo spends most of the day lying in a couch with a spike stuck in back of his head. **SPOILER** (Although since Agent Smith is now a "real world application" so to speak, I think we will soon see just how good Neo is out of the matrix...) Not to play devil's advocate, as I sometimes do: Assuming the phrase 'Your mind makes it real' applies, he would also be as strong as he is outside of the Matrix. I could, of course, be wrong. I'm just assuming that his body would build muscles as he trains, fights, and grows stronger in the Matrix. As for Preston being in good shape from his raids, I don't think the average sense offender gives him much of a workout. :D
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Post by skippythegator on Jun 3, 2003 22:01:28 GMT -5
RE "your mind makes it real"...well, we will see what happens in Revolutions. I'm fairly sure he will be able to pull off some fancy real-world moves when he meets Agent Smith. Let's put this particular point of discussion on hold til the next film comes out, shall we? and RE good shape - okay, I concede that to you, as from what we've seen sense offenders seem to be hopelessly outclassed. I offer you this instead: Brandt: Always training, Cleric...I guess that's why you're the best. Preston: Maybe I'm just better.
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Post by ExtraInEquilibrium on Jun 4, 2003 0:07:42 GMT -5
That's a fantastic line in the movie.
My brother made me angry when he saw the Equilibrium DVD screen and said, 'They jocked the Matrix bad.'
I feel the art doesn't look like the Matrix, but apparently when two people are picture on it, that's ripping off the Matrix.
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Post by Me on Jun 5, 2003 0:29:30 GMT -5
Off thread but I just watched the Howard Stern show where 500 dollars was given away courtesy of Dimension Films' Equilibrium. Maybe Dimension is stepping up the advertising?
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Post by JenGe on Jun 5, 2003 7:12:35 GMT -5
I had heard that Stern was plugging the film but its great to see Dimension getting in on the act as well.
I also have to hand it to them in getting EQ's DVD teaser placed before Reloaded in some theaters. Great maneuver there!!
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Post by Gualie on Jun 5, 2003 17:01:45 GMT -5
yup. it was infront of M:RE here in the L.R.S., after the end of M:RE My friend Kenny looked at me and said " We should have just watched EQ."
Be proud Jen your abreviation is now in our lingo.
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Post by savior on Jun 5, 2003 18:40:10 GMT -5
***** SPOILER WARNING!!***** (do not read if you have not seen 13th Floor!! - Modified by JenGe)
- - - - - - Have you guys seen the trailer they have for the Equilibrium DVD before the Matrix Reloaded? I almost spit out all of my soda when i saw it I was so shocked. Hopefully Dimension will have the sense to release the soundtrack now.
O and the Matrix within a Matrix theory is the absolute worst theory I have ever heard. I think I would shoot myself if the W bros used that lame of an ending for Revolutions. Despite the fact that it would be a stupid ending in and of itself, it would also be stealing the ending of "The 13th floor"
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Post by JenGe on Jun 5, 2003 18:56:46 GMT -5
Be proud Jen your abreviation is now in our lingo. Actually, I can't take credit for it because I first saw Wimmer use it on CHUD's message board. I only stole it.
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Post by JenGe on Jun 5, 2003 18:59:10 GMT -5
***** SPOILER WARNING!!***** (do not read if you have not seen 13th Floor!!) - - - - - - - ...Despite the fact that it would be a stupid ending in and of itself, it would also be stealing the ending of "The 13th floor" If they do go with this plot line I think they'll give it enough of a twist so that it's not like "13th Floor." At least I hope so.
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