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Post by Wraith on Nov 11, 2006 13:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by TheKaiser on Jan 14, 2007 17:19:40 GMT -5
Saw a sneak of this. Was very dissapointed. Ritche's Snatch and Lock, Stock are still the crowning films of the post-Tarantino bunch of hitman talking smart and shooting everything they can genre.
The biggest dissapointment I had was that the film barely stayed with an action scene. One would start and they'd jumpt to a new scene. Ruined my investment in the scenes. The film also switches gears to drama at times and has less fun that it should. The drama is silly and over the top and mostly involving heavy exposition.
Also there is a ridiculously obvious twist that is supposed to surprise, but is pretty evident 15 mintues in. In fact the character that gets shocked by the twist actually provides the hints for the audience in the movie - but he can't put it together until the end. Made it really hard to respect the character's intelligence.
Too bad. Some great parts within however, just a bad sum.
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Post by JenGe on Jan 16, 2007 23:54:27 GMT -5
Well Kaiser since I know you have a problem with Boondock Saints I'm just going to have to give this one a try myself. Thanks for the info though. If I go in not expecting too much I'll enjoy it more.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jan 17, 2007 0:09:08 GMT -5
Im looking forward to this one. Hope it manages to pull of the "cool factor" vibe I got got from the trailer.
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Post by Wraith on Jan 17, 2007 8:25:23 GMT -5
I'm probably gonna see it anyway too. Great plotlines aren't something I look for it action comedies anyway. Just gunfights and jokes.
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Post by TheKaiser on Jan 19, 2007 2:37:36 GMT -5
I'm probably gonna see it anyway too. Great plotlines aren't something I look for it action comedies anyway. Just gunfights and jokes. Ya but if only this film stuck with the comedy. It gets ridiculously serious and full of heavy plotting at times, which could work if the film didn't want to be so playful at the same time. There's a way to balance the too, but this film isn't able to pull it off. Needs more Bateman. His sequence is hilarious.
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Post by JenGe on Jan 19, 2007 11:21:24 GMT -5
Needs more Bateman. His sequence is hilarious. Actually that's good to hear. I think it odd though that none of his shots are in the trailer. I noticed this in the Trailer for The Kingdom as well...very little of him. His presence is film makes me even more interested, as I stated in another thread, since my son recently introduced us to Arrested Development.
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Post by TheKaiser on Jan 23, 2007 10:26:52 GMT -5
Needs more Bateman. His sequence is hilarious. Actually that's good to hear. I think it odd though that none of his shots are in the trailer. I noticed this in the Trailer for The Kingdom as well...very little of him. His presence is film makes me even more interested, as I stated in another thread, since my son recently introduced us to Arrested Development. Minor Spoilers about screentime of an actor: He's in the trailer. There's a trailer that begins with Bateman talking to three hitmen. That's really all he does in the film. Its one of the better sequences, but he's a glorified cameo.
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Post by JenGe on Jan 23, 2007 12:21:21 GMT -5
but he's a glorified cameo. That's too bad but thanks for the info so I'm not disappointed.
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Post by ginxy on Jan 23, 2007 13:33:23 GMT -5
Oh well - I'll be checking it out anyway.
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Post by Walldude on Feb 3, 2007 2:38:11 GMT -5
Wasn't impressed. Too many characters, too much crap. Everything but the kitchen sink and a good script. Plus the "surprise" at the end was telegraphed way to early in the flick. Kaiser and I don't agre all that much but he's on the money here..
And what was up with Andy Garcia's lame coming and going accent?
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Post by dsolidsnake on Feb 4, 2007 0:57:57 GMT -5
The story was really not that good for me it was okay. They change scenes to quickly with out letting have enough time to absorbe what is going on with the people. And some of these characters sucked. mainly aclicia key's and her partner in crime. But the Action was pretty cool though just not violent enough for my standards. The story gets a 6.0 but the action gets an 8.1 .
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Post by Aedh on Feb 4, 2007 1:49:14 GMT -5
Well Kaiser since I know you have a problem with Boondock Saints I'm just going to have to give this one a try myself. Just curious--though it's nothing to do with this movie--I tried looking around on the threads ... what TK's 'problem' with Boondock Saints? I thought it was alright.
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Post by TheKaiser on Feb 5, 2007 1:26:31 GMT -5
Well Kaiser since I know you have a problem with Boondock Saints I'm just going to have to give this one a try myself. Just curious--though it's nothing to do with this movie--I tried looking around on the threads ... what TK's 'problem' with Boondock Saints? I thought it was alright. I just find the film bizzarely overrated by some people. Its sub-par Post-Tarantino writing that is gimmicky and not as clever as it thinks it is. Thanks to "Overnight" I also find Troy Duffy to very unlikable and a bigot. His bigotry is evident in a lot of the jokes in BS. I like moments of the film, but I've known many who consider it among the best action films of all time and it boggles my mind.
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Post by Mirabilis on Feb 5, 2007 7:52:26 GMT -5
Just curious--though it's nothing to do with this movie--I tried looking around on the threads ... what TK's 'problem' with Boondock Saints? I thought it was alright. I just find the film bizzarely overrated by some people. Its sub-par Post-Tarantino writing that is gimmicky and not as clever as it thinks it is. Thanks to "Overnight" I also find Troy Duffy to very unlikable and a bigot. His bigotry is evident in a lot of the jokes in BS. I like moments of the film, but I've known many who consider it among the best action films of all time and it boggles my mind. Hmmm...and I still haven't seen it.
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Post by Aedh on Feb 5, 2007 13:59:39 GMT -5
I just find the film bizzarely overrated by some people. Its sub-par Post-Tarantino writing that is gimmicky and not as clever as it thinks it is. Thanks to "Overnight" I also find Troy Duffy to very unlikable and a bigot. His bigotry is evident in a lot of the jokes in BS. I like moments of the film, but I've known many who consider it among the best action films of all time and it boggles my mind. Entirely fair comments. I can't comment on Duffy's likability, because I know nothing about him at all. I've not seen anything else of Duffy's that I know of ... the bigotry is evident in "Saints," but I put it down the the fact that the flick was about Boston Irish. Having deep Boston family roots--including Boston Irish relatives by marriage--and having lived there, I can say that part was quite true-to-life, however regrettable the reality it reflects. As for the film having good moments, I agree. As to being among the best action films of all time, I agree again that it's not. Gimmicky and derivative ... I have to agree yet again, though those aren't things I mind very much. It kept me entertained for an hour, and ultimately that's all I ask of any flick; greatness appreciated, but not required.
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Post by TheKaiser on Feb 7, 2007 0:38:33 GMT -5
I just find the film bizzarely overrated by some people. Its sub-par Post-Tarantino writing that is gimmicky and not as clever as it thinks it is. Thanks to "Overnight" I also find Troy Duffy to very unlikable and a bigot. His bigotry is evident in a lot of the jokes in BS. I like moments of the film, but I've known many who consider it among the best action films of all time and it boggles my mind. Entirely fair comments. I can't comment on Duffy's likability, because I know nothing about him at all. I've not seen anything else of Duffy's that I know of ... the bigotry is evident in "Saints," but I put it down the the fact that the flick was about Boston Irish. Having deep Boston family roots--including Boston Irish relatives by marriage--and having lived there, I can say that part was quite true-to-life, however regrettable the reality it reflects. As for the film having good moments, I agree. As to being among the best action films of all time, I agree again that it's not. Gimmicky and derivative ... I have to agree yet again, though those aren't things I mind very much. It kept me entertained for an hour, and ultimately that's all I ask of any flick; greatness appreciated, but not required. I've calmed down about people digging the film a lot. I totally understand the flick being about Boston-Irish...but its reflection isn't really critical. "Overnight" convinced me that Duffy believes much of what he writes. I really do recomend you check out the documentary. Regardless of my feelings towards BKS, the film is a fascinating look at the Hollywood Independent Film process, how spontaneously one can break into it and how quickly one can lose it all.
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Post by JenGe on Feb 10, 2007 10:06:58 GMT -5
I finally caught this and really enjoyed it. I'm surprised that Renolds held his own against such strong actors as Liotta & Garcia. I also spotted a few potentaial EQ awards there.
I also loved the ending but I can see how some might find it sappy.
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Post by JenGe on Feb 10, 2007 10:11:53 GMT -5
The film also switches gears to drama at times and has less fun that it should. The drama is silly and over the top and mostly involving heavy exposition. I agree with you there but I liked that. The FBI scenes were more traditional while the Hitman scenes were grimy. You even got some noir with the flash backs. I loved the schizophrenic feel of the film. See we as an audience though were given different information than he was. Of course we could figure it out because we got repeated visual flashbacks. He did not.
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Post by Wraith on Aug 23, 2007 20:45:05 GMT -5
I saw it over the summer and I wasn't terribly impressed. Kaiser did a good job describing the action. The trailers made it look so much better. What really disappointed me was how it failed miserably as an action comedy. It had a lot of strained attempts at edgy humor (Such as the part where Israel scolds an underling for jerking off on an expensive garment). There are so many good actors in this movie, and a few interesting characters. Piven is great as his high-strung character. Garcia and Liotta are good too, and Carbonell's El Peligro is cool. It had its moments of good action (the elevator shootout) and drama, and a tense conclusion (although one wonders why Reynolds felt it necessary to kill Israel too), but it was disjointed and unsatisfying. Needs more Bateman. His sequence is hilarious. You got that right. The trailer makes it out like he's important but it also has 90% of all his screen time. He's the only one who looked able to save this movie. His scene was the only funny part it. The only other parts of this movie that were that great were El Peligro, Ben Affleck's surprisingly early takedown, and a excellen Clint Mansell score (which I'm listening to now)
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Post by Lightfighter on Mar 22, 2011 15:32:21 GMT -5
Action! Loads and loads of action! The bit where the black girl sniper just FUCKS UP those agents with the Barrett .50 sniper rifle is just about right on as far as realism goes. The Nazis on the other hand? Gruesome.
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