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Post by Darkside Cleric on Dec 2, 2003 12:14:35 GMT -5
i've been writing a fic in class, and I'm a little fuzzy on the difference between grammaton and tetragrammaton, which one has higher rank? and whatnot?
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 2, 2003 12:16:54 GMT -5
The way I see things, the order is the Tetragrammaton, this stands for all things that Father has created.
The Grammaton Cleric is the actual elite soldier of Father's regime.
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Post by Rip on Dec 2, 2003 13:41:52 GMT -5
I know the distinction is sometimes hard because there is nothing the Tetragrammaton cannot do and it seems as though there is nothing that Grammaton Preston cannot do.  |
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Post by pyro on Dec 2, 2003 17:22:01 GMT -5
grammaton cleric is the name of the ranking class, which these grammaton clerics serve in the tetragrammaton, the name of the ruling body
kurt said something about this in the commentary
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Post by Xenia Onatopp- Bale on Dec 3, 2003 9:11:14 GMT -5
Oh, so thats the difference between the two.
I have this confusion,too. So now, I know.
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Post by ClericRyan on Dec 3, 2003 9:16:55 GMT -5
grammaton cleric is the name of the ranking class, which these grammaton clerics serve in the tetragrammaton, the name of the ruling body kurt said something about this in the commentary exactamundo |
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Post by TheUre on May 11, 2004 15:31:31 GMT -5
tetragrammaton= YHWH
it is a reference that they would be gods
grammaton cleric is the same just shorter
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Post by wtf on May 11, 2004 16:57:42 GMT -5
tetragrammaton= YHWH it is a reference that they would be gods grammaton cleric is the same just shorter The Tetragrammaton inscription (YHWH) on King Solomon's ring was said give Solomon the ability to either keep off or hold sway over demons. Maybe the Grammaton Clerics were doing the same thing...equating emotions with demons. |
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Post by theure on May 13, 2004 14:25:00 GMT -5
The Tetragrammaton inscription (YHWH) on King Solomon's ring was said give Solomon the ability to either keep off or hold sway over demons. Maybe the Grammaton Clerics were doing the same thing...equating emotions with demons. who made that nonsense up? what tripe. |
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Post by Libby on May 13, 2004 14:56:10 GMT -5
who made that nonsense up? what tripe. Excuse me...one thing you will learn about members here, if you read around, is that they are generally polite and tolerant of each other. If you have a comment to make, then do so with respect, please. As Jewish lore links the symbol to the "Seal of Solomon", the magical signet ring used by King Solomon to control demons and spirits, Aikido Al was probably just thinking aloud (text-wise). |
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Post by The Ure on May 13, 2004 21:06:57 GMT -5
As Jewish lore links the symbol to the "Seal of Solomon", the magical signet ring used by King Solomon to control demons and spirits, Aikido Al was probably just thinking aloud (text-wise). actually "jewish lore" says that this is the name that the Angel of The LORD used when jacob(israel) asked for HIS name. this is the correct answer. amuse yourself with trivia if you must. the hebrews thought the name of GOD to be to holy to utter or write so they only put down the four 'consonants'. this is the root of the words Jehovah and also more accuratly Yahweh though noone knows for sure (save the one that told Jacob). tetra = four grammaton = letter therefor in greek tetra grammaton = four letter word YHWH= GOD's true name soloman had a ring? maybe, so do i. sorry if i were crude previously. |
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Post by Libby on May 14, 2004 3:21:50 GMT -5
this is the correct answer. amuse yourself with trivia if you must. Hey, I was being polite and merely trying to defend a fellow member's right to an opnion. Please don't patronise me.  sorry if i were crude previously. OK. So why not join? You're an EQ fan, aren't you? |
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Post by Libby on May 14, 2004 3:27:58 GMT -5
Oh! You have joined...welcome and have fun.
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Post by wtf on May 14, 2004 10:06:38 GMT -5
actually "jewish lore" says that this is the name that the Angel of The LORD used when jacob(israel) asked for HIS name. this is the correct answer. amuse yourself with trivia if you must. the hebrews thought the name of GOD to be to holy to utter or write so they only put down the four 'consonants'. this is the root of the words Jehovah and also more accuratly Yahweh though noone knows for sure (save the one that told Jacob). tetra = four grammaton = letter therefor in greek tetra grammaton = four letter word YHWH= GOD's true name soloman had a ring? maybe, so do i. sorry if i were crude previously. From www.menorah.org/starofdavid.html (A Messianic Jewish resource site): "Rather, all evidence suggests that the early use of the hexagram was limited to "practical Kabbalah," that is, Jewish magic, probably dating back to the 6th century C.E. Legends connect this symbol with the "Seal of Solomon," the magical signet signet *ring used by King Solomon to control demons and spirits. 2 Although the original ring was inscribed with the Tetragrammaton, the sacred Four-Letter *Name of God, medieval *amulets imitating this ring substituted the hexagram or pentagram (five-pointed stare), often accompanied by rampant *lions, for the sacred Name. The star inscribed on these rings was usually called the "Seal of Solomon."" If you look at the page it does say the ring is legendary. I'd have to check the old Testament myself to see if the ring or seal is mentioned. I brought this up in response to your original message "tetragrammaton= YHWH. it is a reference that they would be gods." I took you to mean "they" as the clerics and you were making an analogy of them as "gods." I merely proposed that the name was given to them in reference to the legendary seal/ring mentioned above. Then I suggested a possible analogy to the control of demons/spirits to the control of emotions. But I did feel the need to elaborate on the lore behind the Tetragrammaton besides what was discussed previously. Especially since my group here did a bunch of research on it after the movie. So "tripe" or not, it is a known legend. Perhaps your objection was a disagreement on how it was interpreted? Further discussion on this topic probably belongs in the main EQ boards instead of the gunkata topic, but that's up to JenGe and/or the gunkata's readers tolerance.  |
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Post by JenGe on May 14, 2004 10:40:00 GMT -5
Further discussion on this topic probably belongs in the main EQ boards instead of the gunkata topic, but that's up to JenGe and/or the gunkata's readers tolerance. Actually this whole thread really belongs there... MOVED... |
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Post by JenGe on May 14, 2004 10:52:29 GMT -5
Also here are a few older threads that may be of interest here...( I should add these to the "Index" even though it really is not a "frequent" topic, it does come up from time to time in various forms.) - The Origin of Tetragrammaton
- Tetragrammaton Symbol |
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Post by Cleric Queenie on May 14, 2004 15:59:47 GMT -5
I know the distinction is sometimes hard because there is nothing the Tetragrammaton cannot do and it seems as though there is nothing that Grammaton Preston cannot do. ROFL ;D Good point! |
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Post by Efialtis on May 16, 2004 17:07:20 GMT -5
I may be the only one who really enjoyed this discussion...seems a little bickering went on, but it was good...
The lore behind the Seal of Solomon is very interesting, but it can be taken one step further.
The "name of God" has always been the power to dispell deamons and evil spirits. Jesus used the name of God in this manner.
The "Seal" idea was passed down for thousands of generations, when the ruling family or monarch had a "seal" on their ring, and when used to "seal" documents or approve law was considered "by the authority of".
This is also the case for anyone who bore the seal (ring) of the ruling party, they were able to act in the name of the owner of the ring.
The Tetragrammaton is as was described earlier, it is the name of God. And "Father" would have carried the seal, and therefore, the authority, as Solomon did.
The Grammaton Cleric is literally a Cleric of the Letter, or an enforcer of the Law.
Hence, they are not Tetragrammaton Clerics, this would be the person "in charge" or "Father", they were Grammaton Clerics or those sent by Father to enforce his word (letter)...
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Post by Earthheart on Jul 8, 2004 19:51:11 GMT -5
I may be the only one who really enjoyed this discussion...seems a little bickering went on, but it was good... The lore behind the Seal of Solomon is very interesting, but it can be taken one step further. The "name of God" has always been the power to dispell deamons and evil spirits. Jesus used the name of God in this manner. The "Seal" idea was passed down for thousands of generations, when the ruling family or monarch had a "seal" on their ring, and when used to "seal" documents or approve law was considered "by the authority of". This is also the case for anyone who bore the seal (ring) of the ruling party, they were able to act in the name of the owner of the ring. The Tetragrammaton is as was described earlier, it is the name of God. And "Father" would have carried the seal, and therefore, the authority, as Solomon did. The Grammaton Cleric is literally a Cleric of the Letter, or an enforcer of the Law. Hence, they are not Tetragrammaton Clerics, this would be the person "in charge" or "Father", they were Grammaton Clerics or those sent by Father to enforce his word (letter)... Woah thats the first thing Ive understoof thsi whole topic. good job. (PS:what YHWH stand for?? |
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Post by JenGe on Jul 9, 2004 9:22:42 GMT -5
(PS:what YHWH stand for?? From dictionary.com - YHWH... YHWH also YHVH or JHVH or JHWH ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ydhävävhä, yäw, yäw) n. The Hebrew Tetragrammaton representing the name of God. |
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Post by Murasaki on Nov 3, 2004 14:42:28 GMT -5
I think something really interesting is happening in these last posts: philosophy!
I dunno if this was the real Kurt´s intention, but don´t you think guys this is the kind of discussion that most people think that only the Matrix could give? hahahahhaha
That´s what I love about EQ. We are able to find spectacular things between lines...if you think you have seem the movie many times, suddenly you watch and see there´s even more than you noticed before...the whole Tetragrammaton and Grammatron discussion goes beyond the symbols...because perception is not only what you see, is about what you FEEL.
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Post by doomtoallchaos on Jun 10, 2008 10:09:01 GMT -5
I don't know the difference between the grammaton and the tetragrammaton
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