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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Jul 9, 2003 10:22:24 GMT -5
Yes, all good points.... Just because one learns a martial art(s) over the course of 8 months (4 for Matrix, 4 for Reloaded and Revolution) doesn't mean they really know how to protect themselves. Granted, I'm sure he knows a great bit, but has he actually had to fight? In the case of Preston, we only see the superficial potential which he has. Since there's no dragged out fight scenes, like that of Matrix(s), we don't know the full extent of his capabilities, as mentioned a couple of posts back. We can only elude that Preston can kick ass, as demonstated in the last scene with the sword-toting clerics, Brandt and Dupont. The fact that all he got out of entire firefight/swordplay was a single scratch on his neck should attest to his ability. Another thought to note is that the use of wires, I believe, were not used in EQ, but extensively in Matrix. But, again, the Matrix brings a different set of rules, so.... In the end, they're both probably beer-swilling buds that eat wings and watch the Super Bowl religiously
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Post by Cleric T on Jul 9, 2003 11:50:43 GMT -5
One simple reason. Christain Bale is Better than Woah!!!(Reeves)
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Post by Trinity on Jul 9, 2003 19:39:33 GMT -5
Keanu and the rest of the team spent months learning kung fu, therefore he does know it in real life now. Yes, Keanu spent months learning kung fu, but he still sucks at it. In Reloaded, I thought his moves looked completely stilted. He has no flow whatsoever. None. He may copy the moves he was taught, but he does not FEEL them. On the other hand, I don't know how much training Christian Bale has had in martial arts, but he is a NATURAL. He has more feeling and grace in his pinky finger than Keanu has in his entire frame. As to Neo beating Preston, no way!
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Post by JenGe on Jul 10, 2003 5:02:14 GMT -5
Personally, I thought Keanu did really well with the Neo character. I actually wouldn't want Bale as Neo because then who would we have to be Preston...Vin Diesel?? ;D As to having them fight on the same side...where the hell is the fun in that??
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Post by StarDancer on Jul 10, 2003 13:47:05 GMT -5
As to having them fight on the same side...where the hell is the fun in that?? Neo and Preston beating the crap out of Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Jul 10, 2003 17:03:55 GMT -5
Neo and Preston beating the crap out of Leonardo DiCaprio. LMAO.... ;D This opens up a whole new ball of wax, thinking on Gangs of New York (watched 2x in 1 day!) For your public amusement, a Triple Threat Match Neo Vs. Preston Vs. Vallon in a winner takes all. The Prize.......total domination of Zion, Libria and 5 Points........ROFLMAO!!!! Sorry.........couldn't help myself!
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Post by Trinity on Jul 10, 2003 20:07:22 GMT -5
Personally, I thought Keanu did really well with the Neo character. I actually wouldn't want Bale as Neo because then who would we have to be Preston...Vin Diesel?? ;D I do agree that he played Neo well in the first Matrix, because Neo was supposed to be clueless, and hey, Keanu can play that, since I figure he must be that way in real life. (Sorry, not a Keanu fan, as you can tell.) But as to playing a hero? No, for me, he cannot and did not pull that off in Reloaded. But I also agree that Neo is not a good role for Christian Bale, however, I would add that Bale could play ANY role well. But Neo is vapid, at least in the first Matrix. I see the role as beneath Bale. VIN DIESEL!? Yikes! Perish the thought!
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Post by Trinity on Jul 10, 2003 20:08:40 GMT -5
Neo and Preston beating the crap out of Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes! Yes! StarDancer, we have like minds! And btw, I call him Leonardo DeCrapio. Thought you might like that. ;D
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Post by Mallory on Jul 11, 2003 0:44:49 GMT -5
Preston would win no logic really just going with my heart. Thats funny Trinity Leonard Decrapion I love it! I just can't stand that actor I was the only one laughfing histerically when he died in Titanic, I was cheering people were looking at me with bloody murder in their eyes Heh but I didn't care. ;D
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Post by Destrux on Jul 11, 2003 2:08:52 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D Leonardio Dicrapion :DD cool-0-matic ! err... yeah.. i personally think that neo would win but ... hey thats only my opinion preston is cool... but neo as a demigod is cooler ^^ but i remember strange things happened in reloaded, things that made no sense :/ well... Neo .. GO FOR IT !
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Post by StarDancer on Jul 11, 2003 4:40:09 GMT -5
LMAO.... ;D This opens up a whole new ball of wax, thinking on Gangs of New York (watched 2x in 1 day!) For your public amusement, a Triple Threat Match Neo Vs. Preston Vs. Vallon in a winner takes all. The Prize.......total domination of Zion, Libria and 5 Points........ROFLMAO!!!! Sorry.........couldn't help myself! ROTF! I totally understand. I used to watch a LOT of WWF. ;D
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Post by StarDancer on Jul 11, 2003 4:42:20 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! StarDancer, we have like minds! And btw, I call him Leonardo DeCrapio. Thought you might like that. ;D I've referred to him that way MANY times. I think it's a psychic thing among people who demand quality performances from their actors.
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Post by MrsPreston on Jul 11, 2003 8:25:43 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! StarDancer, we have like minds! And btw, I call him Leonardo DeCrapio. Thought you might like that. ;D LOL, Good one!! ;D I just can't stand that actor I was the only one laughfing histerically when he died in Titanic, I was cheering people were looking at me with bloody murder in their eyes Heh but I didn't care. ;D Me too, also in Romeo + Juliet I think it's a psychic thing among people who demand quality performances from their actors. Totally, and as many of us here have said many times Bale is a GREAT actor!!!
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Post by Trinity on Jul 11, 2003 20:12:42 GMT -5
Preston would win no logic really just going with my heart. Thats funny Trinity Leonard Decrapion I love it! I just can't stand that actor I was the only one laughfing histerically when he died in Titanic, I was cheering people were looking at me with bloody murder in their eyes Heh but I didn't care. ;D Hey, Mallory. Thanks. Yeah, I like to make up weird names for actors I don't like. I'm glad you enjoyed that! ;D And L.O.L. as to you laughing and cheering when he died in Titanic. I'm cracking up over that right now. Someone just came to my desk at work to see what's so funny! Hilarious! Thanks! ;D
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Post by Trinity on Jul 11, 2003 20:14:36 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D Leonardio Dicrapion :DD cool-0-matic ! Thanks, Destrux! Glad you enjoyed it.
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Post by Trinity on Jul 11, 2003 20:15:12 GMT -5
I've referred to him that way MANY times. I think it's a psychic thing among people who demand quality performances from their actors. That is so cool! Yes, I agree.
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Post by Trinity on Jul 11, 2003 20:16:04 GMT -5
Thanks, MrsPreston!
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Post by Destrux on Jul 12, 2003 6:36:58 GMT -5
err.. Trinity... btw there is a cool thing in this board named "modify" there you can "modify" ;D your text from the post you clicked on ps.. youre welcome trinity
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Post by Trinity on Jul 12, 2003 21:44:22 GMT -5
err.. Trinity... btw there is a cool thing in this board named "modify" there you can "modify" ;D your text from the post you clicked on ps.. youre welcome trinity Hi, Destrux. Thank you. Please check out my message. Thanks again!
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Post by swingkid on Jul 29, 2003 4:07:53 GMT -5
YES!! Now we've finally come to the topic I've always wanted to get off my chest: Christian Bale vs. Leonardo DeCrapio! LOL. Thank you Trinity for that new term Glad to know I'm not the only one who laughed in Titanic when Mr. I-can't-act-to-save-my-life-but-I-look-good sink down, down, down! Too bad it was only a movie though. LOL! But well, I gotta admit that his acting has improved one grade in GONY--he was a "D" in Titanic and now he's moved up to a "C" Ha ha ha! No, seriously, the guy carried ONE facial expression in the whole movie. Christian would've been a FAR better Amsterdam Vallon than that "Hollywooden" boy. Shame on DeCrapio for trying to take American Psycho from Christian! I get a pretty good laugh everytime I imagine DeCrapio in the role of Patrick Bateman. Okay, this really bugs me, but no one has mentioned that Christian Bale spent weeks of martial arts training for his role in Newsies. And he's a damn good dancer too! Don't believe me? Just watch Newsies and Swing Kids.
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Post by Trinity on Jul 30, 2003 20:12:54 GMT -5
YES!! Now we've finally come to the topic I've always wanted to get off my chest: Christian Bale vs. Leonardo DeCrapio! LOL. Thank you Trinity for that new term Glad to know I'm not the only one who laughed in Titanic when Mr. I-can't-act-to-save-my-life-but-I-look-good sink down, down, down! Hey, swingkid...you're welcome! Glad you enjoyed that. And yes, you are not the only one who laughed at that part! I really think he ruined that movie. And Leonardo DiCrapio as Patrick Bateman? Ah, perish the thought. But yes, I heard that he was up for that part, too. What a travesty that would have been!
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Post by Username on Apr 27, 2004 0:41:15 GMT -5
It's obvious that in the Matrix, Neo would decimate Preston, his sheer will can bend the Matrix to how he sees fit, his knowledge of martial arts and whatnot would just blow Preston away.
In the more reality version of it, Preston would still be matched by Neo in hand to hand, seeing how Neo downloaded all that martial arts information to his BRAIN. HELLO, IF SOMETHING IS IN YOUR BRAIN, WHY CAN'T YOU UTILIZE IT WITH YOUR BODY? It's just that Neo won't be able to move with lightning speed and fly and dodge bullets anymore.
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Post by TrustKill on May 5, 2004 10:34:46 GMT -5
It's obvious that in the Matrix, Neo would decimate Preston, his sheer will can bend the Matrix to how he sees fit, his knowledge of martial arts and whatnot would just blow Preston away. In the more reality version of it, Preston would still be matched by Neo in hand to hand, seeing how Neo downloaded all that martial arts information to his BRAIN. HELLO, IF SOMETHING IS IN YOUR BRAIN, WHY CAN'T YOU UTILIZE IT WITH YOUR BODY? It's just that Neo won't be able to move with lightning speed and fly and dodge bullets anymore. -this topic is probably pretty old, but i'm bored and feel like spewing trivia. -martial artists rely on something called "muscle memory" which is why they practice their moves and katas so frequently. the idea is that your muscles will remember the movements just as your mind does and makes your body more prepared to make those movements over and over again. get it? that is why neo wouldnt be able to utilize his martial arts to the fullest extent in the real world. he would have to practice for years and years in order to get is limbs used to moving in the ways required by the martial arts he would be using. -on a similar note, his muscles are nowhere near as strong as he is in the matrix and this lack of REAL physical development would lead to fatigue much faster in a real fight.
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Post by wtf on May 6, 2004 14:31:53 GMT -5
I mentioned some of the topics on the boards, including this one to my husband. On Neo vs. Preston, he said (on the outside the Matrix scenerio) "I might have to give it to Neo, because he can look blank without the Prozium."
As for fanfic of this, I have to go with the adage a fellow sci-fi geek said: "Don't mix your fic!"
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Post by ClericTrinity on May 15, 2004 9:57:18 GMT -5
Well...i don't think, Neo and Preston would meet. I think, they are so different. They are fighters in they worlds. First, Presnot. After Neo...they are herose.. But Preston just lost his love...and Neo lost everithing... I don't thik, Neo would says about his money from Matrix...and Preston about Neo's dress...Don't forget...they are so different! P.S. how i can post my picks from my computer, they haven't URL! But i have a big fond of picks!! Another P.S.: go to this link! Not so much, but something! Here is it:http://www.freewebs.com/trinitydream/images.htm
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Post by SenseOffender88 on Jun 1, 2004 0:32:40 GMT -5
That's true. Besides, the story lines are a bit different in Matrix than in Equilibrium. Humans in the Matrix are like computers that can download data on... martial arts while Equilibrium has a more realistic kind of view. (Although like my sister said, "neither of them is real because they're sci-fi.")
See, while Neo can download all that information in a matter of minutes or even seconds, John Preston had to memorize those moves in most of his life. Probably from his childhood to now (or until the movie). But they're two different people in two entirely different societies. Still, they're both heroes, and rebels, in their twisted worlds. You gotta give them props for that.
However, personally, I like John Preston better. Mainly due to the fact I think Christian Bale is a better actor but... that's probably another topic entirely. And... I know some Keanu Reeves fans(some of them my friends! Lol.) that would chop me up into little bits if they heard.
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Post by Xenia Onatopp- Bale on Jun 1, 2004 8:24:16 GMT -5
Can't agree more with you, so88. You've nailed it , my friend.
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Post by SenseOffender88 on Jun 1, 2004 9:39:23 GMT -5
Thanks. I mean, I liked the Matrix (The first one. I refuse to see the second and third one because I hate sequels.) but... Equilibrium was so much better! ^__^ And I cringed less when they use the Prozium II. In the Matrix I shuddered when they took the long needle thing out of the back of their necks. -____-;; Needles and I dont' like one another.
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Post by ClericTrinity on Jun 2, 2004 3:53:11 GMT -5
Hm...you think so? Sorry, but Preston just kill the gotherment, to halp the Resistence. He has survive! But Neo lost everything - first - home, second - normsl life, third - his eyes, after Trinity. In the end hi lost his life... They are both heroes, yes...but, as Partrige sad 'what price?'
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Post by SenseOffender88 on Jun 2, 2004 10:12:27 GMT -5
........Whoa... Neo died? Erm... man that... sucks.
Hm... well regarding who had the worst life, I guess Neo wins that. But John had it rough too. Neo lost all those things, but he knew how to enjoy them (or love them in Trinity's case) and as it's said, "It's better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."
But John never got to really feel that. When his wife was arrested, he might have felt a tiny pang of guilt but he wasn't really feeling anything. Then his world erupts in different emotions he's never felt before, and he falls in love with Mary. But before they can really love one another, she's taken away. I think Neo and Trinity at least got to KISS before she died right?
*shrug* Really though, they both had rough lives. They're both cool characters. They're both saviors of mankind (or what's left of it.)
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