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Post by JWL1033 on Feb 10, 2004 20:10:34 GMT -5
I would just like to say that I love Equilibrium, gonna buy it real soon. Anyway I was just wondering what mistakes there are, or things that take away from the fantasy of the movie (such as the strings on the gun clips).
Did anyone else notice how the book taken by Prestons first partner in the beginning (Yeats poem book) was much smaller when he had it in his pocket, than it was when he was reading (right before Preston killed him). It seemed like it tripled in width.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Feb 10, 2004 20:41:33 GMT -5
"Whatever you do, DON'T MENTION THE GUN SWAP!!!"
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Post by JWL1033 on Feb 10, 2004 21:51:35 GMT -5
going strictly against your advice whats wrong with the gun swap?
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Post by someone who dun wanna login on Feb 11, 2004 3:09:04 GMT -5
the gun swap is the biggest flaw in the movie
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Post by Libby on Feb 11, 2004 4:37:36 GMT -5
I would just like to say that I love Equilibrium, gonna buy it real soon. Firstly, if you are serious about the film and are interested in learning about/discussing it, then read the 'Please read before posting? FAQ, trolls, forums' . Anyway I was just wondering what mistakes there are, or things that take away from the fantasy of the movie (such as the strings on the gun clips). Why do you want to highlight what might be seen as negative bits first off, before even discussing all the brilliant aspects? Did anyone else notice how the book taken by Prestons first partner in the beginning (Yeats poem book) was much smaller when he had it in his pocket, than it was when he was reading (right before Preston killed him). It seemed like it tripled in width. Sorry, 'did anyone else notice...?' Well, duh?? My advice. Spend some time on the site: read the discussions; look through the FAQs; check out the Director's commentary....or don't bother and get flamed -or worse, invoke the wrath of the Webmaster! the gun swap is the biggest flaw in the movie Wise move not logging in! Grrrr! Send in the Clerics! Or maybe just Wolf. With a metal pole!
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Feb 11, 2004 5:48:40 GMT -5
Heh Libby ;D As for the Gun Swap... There's a few threads that mention that in the Freedom Reading Room as well as no doubt the Gun Kata forum somewhere. It's a part of the movie that's been left vague for a reason...and I for one am sick of hearing about it. It's Mr Anderson that has the big metal pole...I have Mr Katana
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Post by Libby on Feb 11, 2004 6:12:55 GMT -5
Course it is! Went to bed too late! Logged in too early! ;D
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Post by JenGe on Feb 11, 2004 8:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by JWL1033 on Feb 11, 2004 15:21:39 GMT -5
wow Libby that was quite harsh. I have looked around the site, and did enjoy it quite a bit. From what i saw before this seemed to be a great forum where people can discuss all the aspects of one of my favorite movies "equilibrium". If you are so strictly in love with the philosophy of the movie, than hear this: I just wanted to know some other things people noticed that were wrong or what I consider to be "quirks". You interpreted this as negative, I don't. For some reason you don't seem to want people to look at all sides of this movie, possibly some being negative, you would rather have us all bow down to this movie, without question or feeling. Seeing your reply in this light, I would see that you act in a way that is contrary to the whole meaning of the movie. The movie shows us that emotion, while causing war and other horrible things, is also our greatest asset, and our only source of human nature. I do value your feedback, yet i feel that it was brought out in ill-will and in attempt to flame the "new guy." I hope you all can forgive me if I was any sort of nuisance, just wanted to talk about the movie, theres not many other places of this caliber to do so. Also, I will be loggin in soon, my name is JWL3310 (you can see that I merely switched the numbers on this name) and due to some email problems, I am still waiting for my password. Once again, sorry for any trouble.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Feb 11, 2004 17:43:35 GMT -5
going strictly against your advice whats wrong with the gun swap? Theres nothing wrong with it. Its just been discussed a bazillion times already and a lot of the people here have grown pretty weary of it cropping up every 2nd week. Just giving you a friendly heads-up. Looking forward to you finally joining the Resistance (when you get your PW)....always good to have new members!
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Post by Guest on Feb 12, 2004 1:00:47 GMT -5
what kind of a name is JWL1033
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Feb 12, 2004 6:04:42 GMT -5
Insert Smart Assed comment #1:
A more inventive one than Guest ;D
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 8:10:12 GMT -5
wow Libby that was quite harsh. OK, mea culpa. I did react quite strongly, I admit. However, for a first, very short, post, why focus on mistakes? That's all I meant. Yes, it is a great forum. You say you looked around the site and enjoyed it - I'm really glad, there's some terrific discussions. The Freedom Reading Room is really the best place for reading around much -discussed topics and you can use the search facility to look up stuff, too. But I still hold to my first comment about mistakes. you weren't inviting discussion, just pointing out possible flaws. Excuse me, you don't know me and haven't been a member as long as I have (and that's not half as long as some people here) so please don't preach at me. I have just finished writing my second FanFic story and have lived and breathed this film since it first came out. It resides in my PC more or less permanently and I know every scene intimately. I also know all the little 'quirks', as you put them, inside out and backwards. I helped transcribe the commentaries and provide screengrabs. I am as willing as the next member to discuss any aspect of the film with equanimity, and happily accept new ideas and hypotheses. So, to paraphrase a little, Is it 'your job to know what I'm thinking'? I actually view the film in two completely separate ways: Firstly, there's the total immersion in the story, the characters and the action. For 102 minutes, Libria exists, Preston and the others are real; Gun Kata works and you really can slice someone's face off with a single blow. You believe. In this context, I think about the characters and their motivations and emotional reactions to the predicaments in which they find themselves. Somehow, I'm able, on some level, to sense how a character thinks, to put myself in their position. Then there's the expanded ideas on philosophy, the dystopian views of the future, the moral and social implications of such a society and the wider implications of totalitarianism etc. Secondly, there's the film as an entity, Kurt Wimmer's creation. This is where I consider the direction, production. acting, effects etc. etc. You can look at the 'mistakes' - every film has them - continuity errors, misplaced scenes, plot holes whatever. It all adds to the interest. I don't think it detracts from the fantasy - I won't let it. I wouldn't dream of imposing my views on anyone else and certainly wouldn't expect anyone to 'bow down without question or feeling' We don't live in Libria. We have free will. And we feel. If there are negatives then they should be discussed positively! I must admit, I have no idea what you're on about here. Anyone else? It certainly wasn't 'ill-will'. I don't do that. I just think you should have put a little more thought into your first post. There are some very knowledgeable people on the site (and I don't particularly class myself as one of them) and much can be learned from them. You're not a nuisance. Everybody has a right to be here and express their opinions. I hope we have some fruitful discussions in the future. Phew! Apologies to everyone for such a rant! My feelings were hurt. ;D
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Post by Agi on Feb 12, 2004 14:55:01 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one has caught Preston's wandering mole. ;D Perhaps everybody was too busy focusing on the gun swap than on a mole LOL It took me 8 or 9 viewings to spot that; even sitting in cinema I was wondering where Jen saw the mole changing sides. It was at the back of my mind every time. Silly, I know. But things like this happen when you read too many spoilers before watching the movie Anyway, Jen if you mean the mole near the Bale’s right eye, then you may be right. But it’s not the mole that wanders. Funny thing is that in the scene where Preston is talking with DuPont, where he says “Sir, you asked me to become Father’s instrument…” they reversed the picture, so Preston’s face looks like reflected in the mirror. Hence the mole is on the left side. What’s more, in the same scene, DuPont’s face is reversed as well. Compare it with other scene, where Preston talks to him, which starts with quote “I don’t quite follow your logic…” The letters on the wall behind Preston, DuPont’s nose, Bale’s mimicry (sometimes, while speaking, he raises his upper lip on the right side). I think some of the shots (but in reverse) are used twice in both scenes. But we already know the reason why. Anyway I was just wondering what mistakes there are, or things that take away from the fantasy of the movie Is it a flaw or mistake? Depends. It doesn’t even matter to me. I could find at least one that hasn’t been mentioned yet, but that’s not the point. And Libby is right there, it’s not the mistakes that count. We have that funny saying “The wise one won’t notice, the stupid one will think it’s meant to be this way” (however, it doesn’t translate too good into English), which means it is better sometimes, to shut your eyes to certain things. I just wanted to know some other things people noticed that were wrong or what I consider to be "quirks". Once again, sorry for any trouble. You may want to read what has already been posted in the threads below: equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=Freedom&action=display&thread=1076177804equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1058748858equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1053901330And welcome to the board JWL, you will find a lot of fun here
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 12, 2004 15:08:31 GMT -5
Insert Smart Assed comment #1: A more inventive one than Guest ;D bwahahaha! touche' -as for the goofs in equilibrium... there are lots of posts about these. it seems like we have been getting an influx of new members recently, which is great. nothing wrong with that at all. they all have questions just as we have. the only difference is, we have either been around long enough to have seen them discussed tons of times or have pre-read enough posts to find them. so it seems to us, that people have just not been listening and we have to repeat ourselves a bazillion or so times. -im pretty sure that i have asked questions that have been answered before on this forum since it is vast and probably has more information than anywhere else about EQ and related topics. just try to poke around a bit before you start new threads over subjects that already have 20 threads. -i think there may even be one called "equilibrium glitches" or "EQ mistakes" or something. -again, im not trying to be a dick, since i have been to plenty of forums where all the members just scream "RUN A FUCKING SEARCH" instead of helping w/ a simple question. actually, the niceness of the members here is part of the reason i keep coming back. i just think everyone is a little perturbed at the amount of repeat questions we have been getting recently. -oh, and WLwhatsyourname... ive seen your posts a lot today. why not register?
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 15:47:59 GMT -5
-again, im not trying to be a dick, since i have been to plenty of forums where all the members just scream "RUN A FUCKING SEARCH" instead of helping w/ a simple question. actually, the niceness of the members here is part of the reason i keep coming back. i just think everyone is a little perturbed at the amount of repeat questions we have been getting recently. I'm getting a bit twitchy about replying to anything at the moment. I used to go to quite a bit of trouble digging up threads/quotes and posting links for new people. Last time I tried to help a new person with a few simple questions, I pretty much felt that I had my virtual hand slapped (apparantly I'm not much good at spotting trolls etc). Didn't particularly think I was being a dick (not that I've actually got one of those, anyway). Maybe I should go back on the dose for a while? D'you think ProziumAbuser's got any spare ampoules? But on a positive note. I do think it's great we're getting so many new members - the more the merrier. They often bring fresh views and ideas which we haven't considered and which start more discussions, something I hope JWL will do.
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 12, 2004 16:09:57 GMT -5
hey, libbsters... i think you took that the wrong way. it wasnt meant for you, but more for the "new guy" who was thinking that everyone was ganging up on him. i didnt mean to make it seem like i was stabbing at you, i was actually trying to justify any less than cordial behavior amongst us forum jockies to him. sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 12, 2004 16:10:54 GMT -5
PS... i have no idea why i called you "libbsters"...
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 16:20:54 GMT -5
Hey, TrustKill, no probs! ;D Just being a daft Brit again!
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 12, 2004 16:47:04 GMT -5
and im just being a crazy, gun-toting american...
(i love that stereotype)
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 17:17:23 GMT -5
*chuckles* ;D
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Post by JWL1033 on Feb 12, 2004 17:55:27 GMT -5
Libby, I was trying to invite discussion by asking, what did everyone else notice? Last time I checked a question invites discussion or answers. (Please don't try to say that it was rhetorical). And please don't preach to me that I am assuming to much about you, you see that is all you did to me! Maybe it's just me but I found that to be quite hypocritical. I am also a huge fan of the movie, and just because you feel you are the "greater" fan than me, that's no reason to tear into me. I'm not trying to assume anything but from what I have read in the previous posts it seems to me like you don't like anything that can be even relatively controversial or invoke questioning about this movies quality. Why are those questions not as valuable? Looking through the forums I have seen that most philosophical questions have been answered and fully discussed, and I believe that if I had talked about one of them I would have been told to stop spamming because there are already threads on those topics. Your posts seem to radiate insecurity, maybe in your faith in the movie, thats why you defend them so religiously. One cannot even start to express an opinion without it becoming heresy. I like to look at topics that can challenge the movie, then seeing the movie defended comes new insights and ideas. For example if I brought up the topic that this movie represents many ideas already exhaustedly done in literature, what would you say? (Concerning such book and movies as 1984, Fahreinheit 451, A Brave New World, and The Giver)
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 12, 2004 18:17:13 GMT -5
id say that you need to chill out. now you are trying to pick a fight.
-did you not even read my last post here? we are all trying to get along. its been taken care of, just relax and put down the guns, please.
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Post by JWL1033 on Feb 12, 2004 19:11:29 GMT -5
I just wanted to reply to Libby, I think every person should be given a chance to defend themselves.
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 19:12:56 GMT -5
Thanks, TrustKill Sorry, JWL, I'm not biting. We're all friends here and no-one is a 'greater' fan than anyone else.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Feb 12, 2004 19:19:38 GMT -5
*fetches the Prozium *
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Post by JWL3310 on Feb 12, 2004 19:24:39 GMT -5
Finally got my password, now i'm signed in, so people don't think i'm just some kind of idiot making trouble!
(hopefully everyone was able to break the JWL1033 to JWL3310 code)
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Feb 12, 2004 19:37:41 GMT -5
I'm hoping that you can settle the air between yourself and Libby actually, I like this forum and I to mis-quote Frank Martin from the Transporter. I like it quiet in these forums. As Libby said, it's not the matter of who's the greatest fan, perhaps I can shed some light upon the subject from my perch on the sidelines. There are subjects here that have been discussed to death (Gun Swap being one of them) -- while we appreciate new insight into the movie, some of us have heard the same thing repeated over and over again in the matter of just a few days -- sometimes, a few hours, so it tends to get a negative reaction. I'm the kind of person that likes to be entertained so I miss the so-called mistakes...of course, one man's mistake is another man's perfection. I truly think that Libby was trying to help and point out some useful threads for discussion, one of the great things about this forum is that people actually do discuss a great deal -- look now, you have me talking, which is a rarity Welcome, however
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2004 19:48:35 GMT -5
Thanks, Wolf. No Katana required! ;D JWL....we got off on the wrong foot. Truce?
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Post by JenGe on Feb 12, 2004 20:21:38 GMT -5
Geeze...I'm out for a few hours & I miss a near brawl!! First off to Libby...I think I owe you an apology... This was never ever meant to be directed at you. Your response was perfect that time. I have a habit (& I believe rightly so) of being rather harsh to those I believe are trolling and/or juveniles run amuck on my board. I never, ever meant for you to get caught in the cross fire. Next time I plan on pulling out the guns I'll give you a warning first so you can avoid any friendly fire. I'm very, very sorry I made you feel the way that it turned out. It was never my intention. I have extra St. John's Wart of you ever need it.
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