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Post by Aedh on Oct 29, 2007 9:10:02 GMT -5
It's definitely to get the skin in. No doubt.
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Post by Libby on Oct 29, 2007 9:42:01 GMT -5
It's definitely to get the skin in. No doubt. And why not I say! ;D *mops up drool* Also, looking at it more objectively (yeah, right!) it could be because Preston was suffering the 'cold turkey' effects of missing his dose and was too warm in his T The texture idea might link with the fact that Clerics who feel seem to remove their gloves at various points...
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Post by preston782 on Oct 30, 2007 6:45:42 GMT -5
Here's something really dumb that I did not catch (or forgot): I was watching it for the eleventeeth time last night and I noticed that on the way to meet Father, John has the ribbon in his left hand and is stroking it. However, he has his glove ON. Hmm, I think that is a real representation of HIM because he is feeling, but he has to pretend not to be...
p.s. I am very glad they got the skin in! Christian has the perfect body, imho. And I love the beauty mark on his throat. ::love::
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Post by preston782 on Oct 30, 2007 12:06:26 GMT -5
ANOTHER thing: I love when John stabs the two guys (at the end: one is with a sword, one is with the scabbard) in DuPont's office and uses the sword IN the guy on the left to sort of help himself up/shoves the sword down. LOL Sort of a "pwned" moment.
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Post by preston782 on Nov 12, 2007 10:35:54 GMT -5
One thing that I find so "cute" is when Preston clotheslines the sweeper and his hair shifts slightly. I love that. ::giggles::
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Post by reveria on Nov 15, 2007 14:17:59 GMT -5
I just realised that a partridge is a kind of bird - suitable last name for Errol, with the metahpor of freedom and all
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Post by Libby on Nov 15, 2007 16:22:55 GMT -5
I just realised that a partridge is a kind of bird - suitable last name for Errol, with the metahpor of freedom and all You mean you forgot this? No.....that was summary combustion. LMAO I have to remember that one ;D Indeed...and this is how to roast a partridge...
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Post by Aedh on Nov 15, 2007 16:29:24 GMT -5
Right ... that's it. I've already killed Preston ... I can see I'm going to have to resurrect him and kill him again!!
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Post by reveria on Nov 15, 2007 16:36:07 GMT -5
I just realised that a partridge is a kind of bird - suitable last name for Errol, with the metahpor of freedom and all You mean you forgot this? hey, I don't know the names of all sorts of birds in English. hah, I don't even know that many bird names in my own language, lol. better late than never, I guess
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Post by Libby on Nov 15, 2007 17:05:20 GMT -5
You mean you forgot this? hey, I don't know the names of all sorts of birds in English. hah, I don't even know that many bird names in my own language, lol. better late than never, I guess You know...you write so well, I totally forget English isn't your first language...
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Post by reveria on Nov 15, 2007 17:18:19 GMT -5
*grins proudly and bows*
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Post by reveria on Nov 17, 2007 14:36:08 GMT -5
oh, I've got another one...
almost all the paintings that we see in the movie are of women (more or less naked *ahem*)
(making screen caps is great for such little details!)
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Post by reveria on Nov 17, 2007 15:32:53 GMT -5
it's right at the beginning, when the rebels run around hiding their stuff as the clerics pull up - there's several nude paintings in the background. I only saw it cause I'm making screencaps right now
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Post by reveria on Nov 17, 2007 16:04:40 GMT -5
hehe it cracked me up. I was sitting there, "FREE LIBRIA MY ARSE! THEY'RE ALL JUST PERVS!!!" lol
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Post by preston782 on Nov 20, 2007 9:57:33 GMT -5
hehe it cracked me up. I was sitting there, "FREE LIBRIA MY ARSE! THEY'RE ALL JUST PERVS!!!" lol LOL ;D
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Post by Mirabilis on Nov 30, 2007 4:31:51 GMT -5
I'm told that the Mona Lisa painting is surprisingly small when you get right up to it. Having never seen it "in the flesh" I'm not in the best position to know if the painting used as the "original" in EQ is anywhere near the accurate size. Has anyone here actually seen the Mona Lisa in the Louvre and can confirm if what was portrayed in the movie is close? It looks too large to me going off descriptions I've heard from others.
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Post by Aedh on Nov 30, 2007 14:04:39 GMT -5
I've seen the original in the Louvre ... quite awhile ago, but the one I saw ... at least, whether it was the real original or not ... seemed rather smaller than I'd expected, about two and a half feet by one and a half. Looking up the "official" dimensions says it's 77 by 53 cm. Of course it's in a huge frame, but in the movie that isn't a factor anyway.
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Post by aikidoal on Nov 30, 2007 15:10:34 GMT -5
The Mona Lisa's size:
Some of that might have been affected by art thieves. They had a tendency to cut a painting out of a frame directly which would trim off an excess of a painting. Some pieces have been stolen repeatively over the years, and as a result have suffered from being repeatively cropped.
I'd have to look up the history of the Mona Lisa in particular to see what sort of abuse she has suffered as far as that goes.
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Post by Mirabilis on Dec 1, 2007 9:12:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys....it wasn't really that important...just something that crossed my mind while watching the film.
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Post by saavik256 on Dec 8, 2007 19:49:09 GMT -5
Just a few 2c pieces by me .. Umh... If that was true, how can you explain Preston's answer (when DuPong asked him what did he feel about his wife's death) "I didn't feel nothing!"? If he was feeling something, he should have told him.... I don't know... sorrow.... or maybe loss...... or some other "low" feelings. As JenGe has mentioned, Prozium only suppresses the highs and lows of emotions. Automatic responses, such as physical pain are not blocked. I used to be on Paxil for a while, and what that did was to stabilize my emotions. I neither felt jovial nor depressed. I still joked, laughed and such, but for the most part I was just "there". It helped me to maintain focus and stay level-headed. Prozium is just Paxil on steroids. Things that would normally elicit an emotional response are seen as a "casual" occurance, not meriting attention for any length of time. Consider all the violence we see today on TV. It's to the point that we don't even flinch when we hear of a murder in another state or even in another part of town. Prozium would be the equivalent of taking all of that and make is seem commonplace. Forgive me if I'm rambling. Just trying to give different angles on Prozium... As JenGe has mentioned, Prozium only suppresses the highs and lows of emotions. Automatic responses, such as physical pain are not blocked. I used to be on Paxil for a while, and what that did was to stabilize my emotions. I neither felt jovial nor depressed. ... I've taken St. John's Wart and I was surprised how it not only evened out my depression but also my highs. The peaks and valleys of both were less severe. I think those of us who have taken these type of meds are more able to understand Wimmer's take on Prozium than those who haven't. Wimmer also stated on the DVD that the film is about "numbness." This can actually be self induced as well...cutting off people and the world around us. I've been on Maniprex for a better part of the last decade, as apparently the local psychiatric sphere deems it a cure for BPD. And while on my dose, it's interesting to note that I don't really experience any highs or lows. I do find things funny, but I don't laugh. I do find things sad, but I don't cry etc.. @on-topic: Anyone noticed how, when Preston and Partridge are returning from the Nethers, it's fairly bright outside, yet the dose that Preston injects into his neck says EVENING ?
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Post by Mirabilis on Dec 8, 2007 20:00:14 GMT -5
Just a few 2c pieces by me .. As JenGe has mentioned, Prozium only suppresses the highs and lows of emotions. Automatic responses, such as physical pain are not blocked. I used to be on Paxil for a while, and what that did was to stabilize my emotions. I neither felt jovial nor depressed. I still joked, laughed and such, but for the most part I was just "there". It helped me to maintain focus and stay level-headed. Prozium is just Paxil on steroids. Things that would normally elicit an emotional response are seen as a "casual" occurance, not meriting attention for any length of time. Consider all the violence we see today on TV. It's to the point that we don't even flinch when we hear of a murder in another state or even in another part of town. Prozium would be the equivalent of taking all of that and make is seem commonplace. Forgive me if I'm rambling. Just trying to give different angles on Prozium... I've taken St. John's Wart and I was surprised how it not only evened out my depression but also my highs. The peaks and valleys of both were less severe. I think those of us who have taken these type of meds are more able to understand Wimmer's take on Prozium than those who haven't. Wimmer also stated on the DVD that the film is about "numbness." This can actually be self induced as well...cutting off people and the world around us. I've been on Maniprex for a better part of the last decade, as apparently the local psychiatric sphere deems it a cure for BPD. And while on my dose, it's interesting to note that I don't really experience any highs or lows. I do find things funny, but I don't laugh. I do find things sad, but I don't cry etc.. @on-topic: Anyone noticed how, when Preston and Partridge are returning from the Nethers, it's fairly bright outside, yet the dose that Preston injects into his neck says EVENING ? (I tried St John's Wort...still have half a jar left...didn't do a damn thing for me that I noticed. ) And maybe it was mid-summer when Preston and Partridge were dosing.... (does it actually state in the movie what time of year it is?)....around these parts it doesn't get really dark until about 10pm at that time of year.
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Post by saavik256 on Dec 8, 2007 20:01:33 GMT -5
Definitely a point worthy of consideration, Cleric Mirabilis. And no, I don't believe the time of year is ever stated in the movie. Nevertheless, I do find it curious. With five doses in the injector, and the second one being evening,that would mean the fifth would be morning as well. Stopping by at the Eequilibrium to replenish your supplies? Edit: Any of you ever noticed how totalitarian regimes tend to result in lots of megalomaniac buildings? Take, for example, this theatre in Pyongyang, North Korea ..
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Post by saavik256 on Dec 8, 2007 20:16:33 GMT -5
I know these two aren't really observations as such hehe but anyway ..
I absolutely love the scene where Preston wakes up from his dream, his heart racing, and this warm yellowish light slowly fading in .. it's just so ... perfect, really ..
Also, the rain, while being present throughout the scene .. the sound of it only slowly fades in shortly before Preston puts his hand on the window. Amazingly done.
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Post by preston782 on Dec 10, 2007 8:42:05 GMT -5
I know these two aren't really observations as such hehe but anyway .. I absolutely love the scene where Preston wakes up from his dream, his heart racing, and this warm yellowish light slowly fading in .. it's just so ... perfect, really .. Also, the rain, while being present throughout the scene .. the sound of it only slowly fades in shortly before Preston puts his hand on the window. Amazingly done. I love this scene. The music is perfect too. It is very gentle then when John realizes OH SHIT I AM FEELING, the music changes rapidly.
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Post by saavik256 on Dec 10, 2007 18:43:02 GMT -5
Yeah hehe .. he's like
1. Wake up: OMG I HAD A NIGHTMARE 2. Run to window: OMG I SAW STH OUT THERE 3. Realization: IM FEELING WTF?!
hehehe *giggle*
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Post by Prestan on Jan 17, 2008 6:32:39 GMT -5
the final fight scene in duponts office: in the close up shot of preston snatching the sword sheathe off of one of duponts cronies, he actually first cuts it off of the guards belt. it is perhaps for this reason that Bale, or must likely a stunt double, is not pulling the sheathe off of an actor, but a dummy.
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Post by michaelj2 on Apr 24, 2012 4:21:31 GMT -5
it's great the way we see christian bale go through the process of considering everything like when he looks at the picture of sean bean and the girl together, with the word "freedom" on the back of the picture. He really experiments with feeling things a little and he thinks and experiments with things like listening to music for the first time (that old record player device) with some powerful music. And of course he is "off the dose", so he can really feel things, maybe for the first time in his life...
and it's incredible the way he tears off that covering on the windows, great scene. An incredible movie... that white interior window covering must be there to stop people from seeing dramatic and awe inspiring views, that can be very beautiful , inspiring, and emotional. he really tears it off, and then gets very emotional from seeing that view, with the airship floating by and the city.. then he runs to get a dose big time, but he decides to not take the dose, and so he continues to feel..
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Post by michaelj2 on Apr 24, 2012 4:31:42 GMT -5
Hey all, just wanted to start a thread about some of your observations that you may have noticed. You know, the little things that make you go....hmmmm. I know that the gun swap is a huge one. If you want to put that on here, that's okay, but would prefer other items of interest that may have been missed. I'll start off with a few and see where it goes from there. 1st W.B. Yeats book in Patridge's pocket is smaller than the same one he's reading before being shot by Preston (still boggles my mind) 2nd I never noticed the cool Tetragrammaton insignia on the aluminum document containers until the 3rd time I watched it 3rd Tetragrammaton, meaning four-letter word for the Hebrew name of God, is reflected numerically in the movie. The Tetragrammaton insignia is the combination of 4 Ts 4thTo add to previous observation, the number 4 is also reflected in the number of partitions in the automatic doors. Namely, the one that Preston steps through before being "tested"... That's just for starters. I'm sure I'll think of more.... cool, yeah about the book. Maybe it was smaller so that it fit into his pocket? makes sense. and then later it was too small to really cover his face properly, so they used a bigger one there, the filmmakers wanted the effect of the book covering his face fully... also interesting the statement he made when he died, that this was what he was dying for, this book, these ideas, the ability to think and express yourself freely. The idea of being able to read books, and share ideas is worth dying for in his view. and he got shot right through the book, and into him. It's an incredible movie, some people don't think it's great, they just think its a violent film with fight scenes, but these ideas and the way they are shown is incredible. It has great ideas and to bring all this together into a movie and actually make it, is unbelievable. It's rare in my opinion that such movies with great statements get made fully, and with such good production value too.
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Post by michaelj2 on Apr 24, 2012 4:42:31 GMT -5
this part is a detail I noticed the 2nd time watching it.
The first time watching, I didn't notice that the kids were also off the drug. I thought his son was just a little gestapo style kid, and was just covering for him that one time with all the little bottles
When his son, was holding the drug containers in his hand in the bathroom (after he ran and checked behind the mirror),,,, ok the ones in the kids hand, were those prestons? or were those the kid's?
preston was hiding them/stashing those filled bottles away. So the kid said he was also off the dose , ever since his mom died? and he said his sister also was off the dose.
So I don't know whether he was holding preston's drugs or showing his own pile of those things. lol
also, preston could have flushed them down the toilet, one at a time , spilling the liquid into the toilet, instead of stashing them filled like that, cause if they were found, that could endanger him. (its illegal for anyone to not take their dosages)
But maybe in this futuristic world they have sensors on the toilets, and it would sense that, and set off a warning alarm or something.
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Post by michaelj2 on Apr 24, 2012 4:51:07 GMT -5
ummm, its early on Monday morning but....... ............. 8. The costumes are subtle, well designed, but not over the top. From the Cleric Uniform to the training uniform to the sweeper uniform, The costumes are really amazing. yeah the costumes are great. Those full body covered guys are really cool and scary, all black like that with automatic rifles. The flamethrower dudes at the start were cool. like fully enclosed hazmat suits, with the square vision area on the face. Must have been really hot for those actors under there during filmmaking! And that time near the end, with "the test" and meeting father, preston wears a white outfit I think. really cool clothing again. The clothing is white , black , and grey, mostly, and fits the function of various people. It seems like a real world environment. They didn't over-use one type of suit or outfit too much, they have many different outfits. Must have been expensive to get or make so many different ones. It was worth it.
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