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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 1, 2003 14:40:50 GMT -5
Brandt does follow him. In the sparring scene, he mentions to Preston that he has a couple of theories. He knows exactly what Preston is up to. He may have actually been there observing Preston and also making sure that no one would interrupt him. If they did, it would spoil their plans of Preston bringing in the Resistance... Not to mention Brandt knows he would get his ass kicked if he took Preston on alone, and confronted him at that point. He later gains confedence after punching Preston in the face and tricking him
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 1, 2003 16:50:05 GMT -5
One thing about Brandt is, he is too codependent. That is why he was always second best compared to Preston. He was looking to make his career. He wanted to be the next John Preston. If you think about it, while Brandt is John's enemy, he also kind of regards him as a mentor and a role model. That's why he made such a spectacle out of arresting him in the Third Councilliary Building. He tried way too hard to be the greatest Cleric ever, and because of that, he died. It could have also been the fact that the black uniform is just so snazzy.
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Post by Trinity on Oct 4, 2003 21:21:56 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the one. Just before you see the new clips go in, you see one of the old ones fall away to the floor. That bit. The camera gets whacked by the falling clip! P.S Sorry for the delay in replying. Been on holiday. Back now. No problem on the delay. Glad to have you back. Yes. I believe that was intentional.
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Post by Trinity on Oct 4, 2003 21:23:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen the movie in a little while and didn't get to check it out again before I post this, but when Preston goes to the Neters to release the puppie, as he goes through the gate, we see that Brandt is there, in his car, watching him leave, right? where did he go, I thought that he'd show up when Preston gets rid of the sweepers, but we never see him in that scene, but when we see him watch Preston leave, he gives you the feeling that he's gonna follow him, no? I believe in the draft script, it refers to only First Class Clerics being allowed to travel alone into The Nethers. Perhaps this is why Brandt does not follow him all the way?
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 6, 2003 15:25:58 GMT -5
I've noticed that Gun Kata actually has a pattern to it. If you look at my avatar, you can kind of see the pattern of the Gun Kata he uses. This is how it goes:
I can't do the diagram on here, but the two sweepers with their backs facing the truck are sweeper 1 and sweeper 2. The two on the sides are sweepers 3 and 4. The two furthest from the truck are sweepers 5 and 6.
1. First two 2. Back two (While still facing the front. Only your arms go back. Respective hands shoot the repsective sweepers.) 3. Sides (Arms folded right over left at your abdomen.) 4. Corners. (Arms estretched to reach the first and sixth sweepers) 5. Sides (Right hand shooting the sweeper on the right side from your abdomen, left arm arched across the top of your head shooting the sweeper on the left) 6. Corners (Armes estreched differently, your right hand shooting the second sweeper and left hand shooting the fifth sweeper)
Then he repeats the same thing. Then he strikes a cool pose. ;D
I just think it's awesome how there is actually a focused pattern to it, and it's not just random movements.
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Post by Trinity on Oct 6, 2003 17:51:07 GMT -5
I've noticed that Gun Kata actually has a pattern to it. If you look at my avatar, you can kind of see the pattern of the Gun Kata he uses. This is how it goes: I can't do the diagram on here, but the two sweepers with their backs facing the truck are sweeper 1 and sweeper 2. The two on the sides are sweepers 3 and 4. The two furthest from the truck are sweepers 5 and 6. 1. First two 2. Back two (While still facing the front. Only your arms go back. Respective hands shoot the repsective sweepers.) 3. Sides (Arms folded right over left at your abdomen.) 4. Corners. (Arms estretched to reach the first and sixth sweepers) 5. Sides (Right hand shooting the sweeper on the right side from your abdomen, left arm arched across the top of your head shooting the sweeper on the left) 6. Corners (Armes estreched differently, your right hand shooting the second sweeper and left hand shooting the fifth sweeper) Then he repeats the same thing. Then he strikes a cool pose. ;D I just think it's awesome how there is actually a focused pattern to it, and it's not just random movements. Very cool observation! ;D
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 6, 2003 21:28:39 GMT -5
Why thank you, Trinity. ;D
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 8, 2003 21:53:57 GMT -5
Here's another thing I happened to pick up on the William Fichtner fansite. William Fichtner is Jurgen, the Resistance leader if you didn't know. He's omnipresent in the movie. Anyone who has seen Equilibrium will tell you that he's the guy who applauds first after Father's big speech. But I noticed something... www.webbedcrow.com/fichtnerfansite/m_equilibrium.html On the second picture down, look closely at the kid in the front. I think he is looking directly at none other than... Jurgen!!! William Fichtner has achieved omnipresence!!! ;D
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Post by Samus on Oct 9, 2003 22:34:44 GMT -5
Well this isnt exactly a good observation, and I never really noticed it until it was pointed out to me. In the opening raid scene with Preston shooting out the sense offenders in the dark with the strobe lighting, watch his arms. They're terribly CG looking I just can't watch that scene anymore without noticing, and it bugs the hell out of me as the rest of the movie has no cg-enhanced gun-kata.
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Post by Trinity on Oct 10, 2003 12:47:29 GMT -5
Well this isnt exactly a good observation, and I never really noticed it until it was pointed out to me. In the opening raid scene with Preston shooting out the sense offenders in the dark with the strobe lighting, watch his arms. They're terribly CG looking I just can't watch that scene anymore without noticing, and it bugs the hell out of me as the rest of the movie has no cg-enhanced gun-kata. Yes, I've noticed this also. His arms do look different doing gun kata in other parts of the film. But I wonder if it might just be the strobe lighting making his arms look this way???
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Post by Deimos on Oct 10, 2003 15:23:56 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if somone has already mentioned this but... SPOILER . . . I just love the subtle little winks that Brandt and Preston trade towards the end of the movie. When Preston frames Brandt for the sweeper murders, there's the old 'look and then look again in surprise' from Brandt. While he looks at Preston aghast, Preston winks at him. Then later on, when Brandt is gloating over Preston in the polygraph room he says: "I told you I'd make my career with you Preston" and returns the wink. I just love the rivalry between those two! Also, I noticed a few continuity errors that are now bugging me. In the 'Beethoven' scene Preston takes off his gloves and drops them, yet when he's descending the steps into the basement he's taking them off again. When Preston gets DuPont's gun, he holds it in his left hand, and shoots with his own gun (in his right hand). This is apparent from the 'top down' shot after DuPont is shot - you can clearly see the gun in his left hand. However, in the rest of the scene he has only one gun... Deimos
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Post by pyro on Oct 12, 2003 18:07:40 GMT -5
Yes, I've noticed this also. His arms do look different doing gun kata in other parts of the film. But I wonder if it might just be the strobe lighting making his arms look this way??? yeah its because of the strobe lights
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Post by Trinity on Oct 12, 2003 19:16:48 GMT -5
yeah its because of the strobe lights Thought so. Thanks, pyro! ;D
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Post by BMaloney on Oct 12, 2003 23:30:21 GMT -5
I personally like the arms in that scene.. makes him seem even more super-human to me.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Oct 12, 2003 23:40:21 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if somone has already mentioned this but... When Preston gets DuPont's gun, he holds it in his left hand, and shoots with his own gun (in his right hand). This is apparent from the 'top down' shot after DuPont is shot - you can clearly see the gun in his left hand. However, in the rest of the scene he has only one gun... Deimos I thought it was tucked under his left arm (as this is how he managed to get the gun off him in the first place) My eyes aren't always reliable though....
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Post by Deimos on Oct 14, 2003 10:37:37 GMT -5
Ah, that'd explain why it wasn't visible in the bit where he points the gun at Dupont. It's just that when he shoots Dupont, and there's that aerial view (complete with Brandt's face on the floor he's holding it by the barrel. I suppose he could have taken it from under his arm but he'd have to be pretty fast. Deimos
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Post by HISPANIC CLERIC on Oct 15, 2003 5:59:47 GMT -5
Although I have seen the movie a lot of times (I believe that I am of the few that know the existence of this pelicula in Spain- hereit has not been released in cinema nor it has arrived in DVD) and I am a huge fan of it, Ia would like to ask you about "a possible" failure in the script of the movie:
The case is that when Brandt stops to Preston and it takes to him before Dupont, is a scene in which Brandt strikes repeatedly to Preston, in that scene is evident that this acting with wrath towards Preston points that Brandt is actually feeling ,in spite of the Prozium .Does anybody see it like that too?.
Greetings cleric friends from Hispania.
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Post by pyro on Oct 15, 2003 16:03:00 GMT -5
The case is that when Brandt stops to Preston and it takes to him before Dupont, is a scene in which Brandt strikes repeatedly to Preston, in that scene is evident that this acting with wrath towards Preston points that Brandt is actually feeling ,in spite of the Prozium .Does anybody see it like that too?. is your question about how the liberian poeple see it that way? or how we, the movie viewers noticed it?
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 15, 2003 18:07:45 GMT -5
Here's something I noticed:
Look closely at the "Blow the bulbs" shootout at the very beginning. You have to have the DVD so you can go frame by frame, but towards the end of the shooting spree, if you look very closely, it looks as though you can see Partridge's face. Could just be the strobing of the muzzle flashes, but I swear that's Partridge's face. Kind of subliminal, vise vie (spelling) Fight Club and Tyler Durden.
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Post by xmarksthespot on Oct 16, 2003 4:35:33 GMT -5
Here's something I noticed: Look closely at the "Blow the bulbs" shootout at the very beginning. You have to have the DVD so you can go frame by frame, but towards the end of the shooting spree, if you look very closely, it looks as though you can see Partridge's face. Could just be the strobing of the muzzle flashes, but I swear that's Partridge's face. Kind of subliminal, vise vie (spelling) Fight Club and Tyler Durden. I need to check that one out as soon as I'm home...
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Post by JenGe on Oct 17, 2003 6:33:52 GMT -5
... Could just be the strobing of the muzzle flashes, but I swear that's Partridge's face. Kind of subliminal, vise vie (spelling) Fight Club and Tyler Durden. I'll have to check that as well...Memento also has a shot like that...MINOR SPOILER!!! - - - Sammy Jankins in the hospital...as the nurse passes him his face suddenly turnings into Leonard's. I was hoping Nolan would talk about it on the commentary but he didn't.
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Post by JenGe on Oct 17, 2003 7:30:55 GMT -5
... I would like to ask you about "a possible" failure in the script of the movie: The case is that when Brandt stops to Preston and it takes to him before Dupont, is a scene in which Brandt strikes repeatedly to Preston, in that scene is evident that this acting with wrath towards Preston points that Brandt is actually feeling ,in spite of the Prozium .Does anybody see it like that too?. Greetings cleric friends from Hispania. Hi & Welcome!! The following is from my FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions page...) Q. Why do Brandt & DuPont show emotion and what about Brandt's smile?
A. They are both feeling. Several clues to this are given throughout the film. Also note that Prozium does not eliminate emotions entirely but merely suppresses the highs and lows like many drugs we have today. This is made clear at the beginning of the film.
Kurt Wimmer also made this comment on CHUDs message board... "I think Brandt is smiling because he feels something. He does remark that he needs to get his dose adjusted which implies he is either over medicated or under-medicated. I always thought the latter. In fact, I hired Taye for his smile because I thought it was too perfect and anyone that perfect had to be a facist. A number of people have mentioned this and, generally, where there's smoke, there's fire - so it was a mistake of sorts but my feeling going is was that since we Americans generally feel that facisistic societies are hypocritical at heart they would assume that those in power were breaking all the rules. I'm pretty certain the Marxist tenet ' each according to his needs' didn't apply to Stalin. The Nazi's tolerated and even concealed Ernst Rohm's homosexuality until he became politically inconvenient (for unrelated reasons) and then destroyed him.”See... www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/interrogationfaq.htm
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Post by ClericMike on Oct 20, 2003 20:28:05 GMT -5
I'll have to check that as well...Memento also has a shot like that...MINOR SPOILER!!! - - - Sammy Jankins in the hospital...as the nurse passes him his face suddenly turnings into Leonard's. I was hoping Nolan would talk about it on the commentary but he didn't. WOAH! I just noticed that now. Wow. That's crazy.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Oct 27, 2003 0:49:04 GMT -5
Dont know if this has been posted in this thread before - (Couldn't be bothered going thru 14 pages to see if it was or not): Theres some plastic looking Cleric Sidearms attached to the inside of the trunk. Bizarre.
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Post by Ledenko on Oct 27, 2003 2:24:26 GMT -5
Hi! New member here I just wanted to point out an interesting parallel, although quite obvious (I'm sorry if it was mentioned before, didn't see it): In order to run a world without emotion, you need emotion. And in order to run a world with emotion, you have to make the sacrifice of being devoid of emotion.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Oct 27, 2003 8:00:29 GMT -5
Dont know if this has been posted in this thread before - (Couldn't be bothered going thru 14 pages to see if it was or not): Theres some plastic looking Cleric Sidearms attached to the inside of the trunk. Bizarre. I'm simply awestuck at how calculating these Clerics are even under the influence of Prozium! Some sharp eyes, there
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Post by snufkin on Oct 28, 2003 10:41:23 GMT -5
Plus in the scene where he drops off the puppy, there is a brief shot of Preston's car coming to a stop (or it already has stopped, I forget) and the air vapour from the engine -which is visible due to the cold- is moving backwards! I wonder why they mirrored/reversed that bit?
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Post by MisterAnderson on Oct 28, 2003 17:11:13 GMT -5
So they could show a shot of the car door being closed. I'm not a big fan of reversed shots, especially when you can obviously see that its been played backwards. But I'm willing to make an exception in this case. I think where Preston opens Marys box of goodies is reversed too as per Wimmers commentary.
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Post by pyro on Oct 28, 2003 19:10:23 GMT -5
Dont know if this has been posted in this thread before - (Couldn't be bothered going thru 14 pages to see if it was or not): Theres some plastic looking Cleric Sidearms attached to the inside of the trunk. Bizarre. nope it hasnt, your the first one. very good catch cleric!
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Post by MisterAnderson on Oct 28, 2003 20:21:39 GMT -5
nope it hasnt, your the first one. very good catch cleric! ahahaha, ta! i'm one of those people who are always spotting boom mic shots in films - geez that annoys me. and those guns may just look plastic from the way the light is shining on them.....
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