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Post by JenGe on Jan 27, 2004 13:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by Rymel on Jan 27, 2004 13:59:25 GMT -5
thanks. i'll check it out after i come back from a run to the pet shop. and i'll not speak of the gun swap, lest i incur the wrath of the board regs...
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Post by Xenia Onatopp- Bale on Jan 29, 2004 6:52:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, JenGe. I learned something again today.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jan 29, 2004 8:14:34 GMT -5
thanks. i'll check it out after i come back from a run to the pet shop. and i'll not speak of the gun swap, lest i incur the wrath of the board regs... Wise :> very wise :>
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Post by Rymel on Jan 29, 2004 18:56:42 GMT -5
haha, i am studying to become a disciple of the post kata, y'know :Þ
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Post by Murasaki on Nov 3, 2004 14:53:46 GMT -5
TEXTMost interesting is that the Tetragrammatron is not only about Religion, is about forms of goverment, is about "avoiding the caos" with some kind of constitution, even is it´s forced(but after all, which law isn´t?)...
The biggest problem with the whole concept, is the lack of free will. Actually, the problem is to Tetragrammatron, because humans still have free will, and then, they CHOOSE to feel or not.
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Post by JenGe on Nov 3, 2004 21:05:52 GMT -5
...because humans still have free will, and then, they CHOOSE to feel or not. Well as humans there are many times that we actually cannot choose what we "feel". Those with chemical imbalances are a prime example. Just ask those with Manic Depression. I highly doubt they "choose" to endure what they do.
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Post by ClericTaylor on Jan 25, 2005 14:42:25 GMT -5
;D Well it seems to me that after the third world war. All previous goverments where either completely wiped out or weakend to such a degree that it could no longer have control over a specific population. "Father" gets on his soap box and gathers people with each enlightening speech until he is able to build up the empire we see in the movie. Father's goverment is defiantly not world wide...yet.
The nethers as the cleric in the movie call it are places that are still in ruin from the war where people who have choosen not to be part of father's goverment. The city "Libia" is indeed an extremely large city as there was no end to it when they show a slight overhead veiw of the city. The grammaton cleric acts as numerous authority figures for example military,FBI,DEA,local police, and more. Which was probably Libia's true strength and weakness. How do you ask?
The cleric as we all know have the training to take on odds as bad as 100 to 1....each! Meaning 5 cleric would dominate a modern day battle field full of soldiers provding they have excelled as well as Preston has in training. An invincible force that can only be destroyed by it's own members which is what happened in the movie and proves the point that nothing is perfect and everything has it's weakness.
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Post by ClericalError on Oct 15, 2005 7:58:32 GMT -5
...The nethers as the cleric in the movie call it are places that are still in ruin from the war where people who have choosen not to be part of father's goverment. The city "Libia" is indeed an extremely large city as there was no end to it when they show a slight overhead veiw of the city. Libria is a country(former USA), if not the entire continent of North America. At least that's what I got from the description of the Atlas statue and globe. Okay, here's my two cents. Ladies and gentlemen, prepare for the lamest explanation you've ever heard. And probable repetition of themes. Well, this is how I see it. The word Tetragrammaton is the abbreviated name of God. See Father's all-seeing, all-knowing disposition. Now, see exhibit A, the Grammaton Cleric. Agent of Father. Priests can also be reffered to as 'Clerics'. Priests are... anyone? Yes, that's right. The agents of God. The Tetragrammaton Cross reminds me of the Templar Cross. Everything (nearly) associated with Father bears the Tetragrammaton Cross. Now, read history of the Knights Templar. Devout followers of God, crusading in the Holy Land. It all comes back to the big man upstairs, doesn't it? That's about all my conscience can bear me subjecting you to. But the film is very deep, I think, a lot deeper than most of us can individually fathom. Certainly a lot deeper than other films that set out their philosophical principles right on the table and give you an exam on it an hour later. Kurt Wimmer has simply not taken us all for idiots and allowed us to figure things out as we see them.
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Post by Amie on Nov 5, 2005 10:54:38 GMT -5
Wow there's so much to get into in Equilibrium. After reading this very interesting thread, I have a small question that someone might be able to answer for me. So the words "Tetragrammaton" and "Grammaton" are not exactly interchangeable? Does "Tetragrammaton" refer to the leadership, and does "Grammaton" refer to the body of clerics in general?
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Post by JenGe on Nov 6, 2005 10:09:32 GMT -5
So the words "Tetragrammaton" and "Grammaton" are not exactly interchangeable? Does "Tetragrammaton" refer to the leadership, and does "Grammaton" refer to the body of clerics in general? See I always DID think that they were interchangeable just one being a shortened form of the other.
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Post by Amie on Nov 7, 2005 9:33:35 GMT -5
Yeah, "Tetragrammaton" can be a mouthful. Interesting ideas. The site gives the dictionary definition as: 'Tetragrammaton - The four Hebrew letters usually transliterated as YHWH or JHVH, used as a biblical proper name for God. ' This is pronounced Yahweh, meaning Lord or God, but is also Father. The Jewish Encyclopaedia gives some further definitions: '...various hypotheses have resulted in offering the following definitions: 1) he who calls into being, or he who gives promises; 2) the creator of life; (3) he who makes events, or history; (4) the falling one, the feller, i.e., the stormgod who hurls the lightning; (5) he who sends down the rain (W. R. Smith, "The Old Testament," p. 123); (6) the hurler; (7) the destroyer Food for thought Libby's post got me to thinking that since "Tetragrammaton" literally means the 4 consonants (I believe in written Hebrew there are no vowels, just consonants) in Yahweh's name, this might have been the title for Father or the leadership. But I did notice that Preston said, "Tetragrammaton. There's nothing that we can't do." So I think you're right, Tetragrammaton is the name of the entire order in general, and "Grammaton" is merely used as a special title for the clerics. I'll have to watch out for this next time I watch the movie. ;D
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Post by Libby on Nov 7, 2005 17:26:09 GMT -5
But I did notice that Preston said, "Tetragrammaton. There's nothing that we can't do." So I think you're right, Tetragrammaton is the name of the entire order in general, and "Grammaton" is merely used as a special title for the clerics. I'll have to watch out for this next time I watch the movie. ;D Also, at the beginning, just as Preston and Partridge are entering the building, you can hear the phrase 'Tetragrammaton team...' and immediately after that the Sweeper guy calls Preston 'Cleric'... Preston tells the Sweepers he's a 'Cleric' then a 'Grammaton Cleric, First Class' and the 'highest ranking Cleric in the Tetragrammaton' Preston refers to Partridge as 'Grammaton Errol Partridge' when he's checking Evidentiary and again when he shows Mary the photo he says Partridge was a 'Grammaton Cleric, First Class'. She says she doesn't 'hang round much with the Cleric' Oh yes, and the soon-to-be-dead snooty Technician asks how one gets a weapon away from a 'Grammaton Cleric' The Clerics only seem to call each other Cleric... Sorry...just my linguistics trivia gene kicking in...
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Post by Amie on Nov 7, 2005 19:31:20 GMT -5
The trivia gene is good. Saves me the time of going back through the movie to find my answer (although I don't mind watching EQ for the umpteenth time). Thanks! ;D
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Post by Libby on Nov 8, 2005 13:31:21 GMT -5
*grins*
It's the result of being a forum member for 2 years!
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Post by Zen on Oct 29, 2006 12:53:15 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Aedh on Oct 29, 2006 22:43:43 GMT -5
Likewise, in my take on Libria, "Tetragrammaton" refers to the whole organization, and "(Grammaton) Cleric" to individuals ... so I basically agree with 42 above. As to why and how it became "Tetragrammaton" all i can say is ... watch for "The Aion Engine ..." that will be this fan's take on it! With a fair amount of real fact and history woven into the fiction ...
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