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Post by sirjoey on Nov 27, 2007 21:27:35 GMT -5
i do dramatic speeches competitively, and a friend of mine told me Equilibrium is based on a book. does anyone know if that's true, and if so, what book that is?
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Post by Prestan on Nov 27, 2007 22:06:18 GMT -5
anyone wanna take this one? =)
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Post by Aedh on Nov 28, 2007 0:29:31 GMT -5
i do dramatic speeches competitively, and a friend of mine told me Equilibrium is based on a book. does anyone know if that's true, and if so, what book that is? Welcome, sirjoey! ;D I hereby catch Prestan's punt, and punt it on. It might be quicker to just ask your friend what book it is he or she is thinking of. I certainly can't think of one. |
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Post by Prestan on Nov 28, 2007 14:29:49 GMT -5
ahh, well, i think his friend is referring to 1984.
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Post by Aedh on Nov 28, 2007 15:08:59 GMT -5
ahh, well, i think his friend is referring to 1984. Umm ... I love ya, dude--I mean, in a totally brotherly way and all that--but I just don't see it. I see some similarities because of the dystopian theme ... and there's a definite echo of Big Brother in "Father." You could as lief say that it was based on Evgeny Zamyatin's "WE," or "Brave New World" at that rate. |
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Post by Prestan on Nov 29, 2007 1:12:07 GMT -5
ahh, well, i think his friend is referring to 1984. Umm ... I love ya, dude--I mean, in a totally brotherly way and all that--but I just don't see it. I see some similarities because of the dystopian theme ... and there's a definite echo of Big Brother in "Father." You could as lief say that it was based on Evgeny Zamyatin's "WE," or "Brave New World" at that rate. I'm kind of surprised Aedh, you know as well as I how many times critics have compared 1984 to EQ, and in a lot of ways, they are alike, most noteabley their setting: a society scattered with televisons to prodcast 'big brother.' And of course Brave New World, and even a little Farenheit 451, all of which many people have already pointed out time and again. The one I can't understand is comparing it to the Matrix, they're so different from eachother. But I'm gunkataing a dead horse here. No, EQ is not directly based on any book. However, if they ever decided to write an EQ book, even if it was based entirely on the movie, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Unquestionably. |
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Post by crewsoccer2008 on Dec 26, 2007 21:31:48 GMT -5
yeah, i know that there isn't one specific book that tells the exact same story, but i found out about EQ in my english class last year. we read Fahrenheit 451 and my instructor showed us the movie (well, not the whole thing because it was rated R) but she used it as a teaching tool. Then this year, we read 1984 and she tied it into that too.
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Post by reosan on Dec 29, 2007 16:57:56 GMT -5
Welcome, crewsoccer2008, and I like your teacher already! What exactly was she trying to teach? Just curious....
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Post by Aedh on Dec 29, 2007 19:00:20 GMT -5
Allow me to add a welcome to the boards, CS08.  |
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Post by marphlets on Dec 30, 2007 4:07:49 GMT -5
yeah, i know that there isn't one specific book that tells the exact same story, but i found out about EQ in my english class last year. we read Fahrenheit 451 and my instructor showed us the movie (well, not the whole thing because it was rated R) but she used it as a teaching tool. Then this year, we read 1984 and she tied it into that too. Sweet! I'm wishing I had an English teacher like yours. Much boringness where I come from. I love that EQ is teachable in that way. |
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Post by Aedh on Dec 30, 2007 23:12:42 GMT -5
Welcome to the boards marphlets! Indeed ... that is a good observation. |
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Post by marphlets on Jan 1, 2008 21:48:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the boards marphlets! Indeed ... that is a good observation. Thanks! Everything I know about myself, I learned from Equilibrium  |
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Post by crewsoccer2008 on Jan 13, 2008 20:41:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome everyone. I don't remember what the whole unit was on, but I do know that the whole english III curriculum was based on leadership. I love her. I go to a small school so I got her for english this year too. We just finished watching Pride and Prejudice to go with our unit on social class. I think last year we also watched I, Robot. I dont know what it was for because I had just switched into the school like two days before she showed it.
It's nice because since it's such a small school, and we have a very very liberal principal, the teachers can show almost anything if they can find the smallest reason to tie it to the class. In Economics last year, we followed the Apprentice, watched Sahara, watched Robots (that animated kids flick) and quite a few others. I love it.
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Post by Mirabilis on Jan 14, 2008 4:23:14 GMT -5
And a belated welcome from me too! Wow...I wish our English classes had been this interesting when I was at school back in the stone-age! |
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Post by masha on Jan 3, 2009 22:30:37 GMT -5
I once described EQ as 1984 meets Farenheit 451 meets The Matrix meets Dean Koontz Midnight. The Matrix only because of the stylized violence and black coats; other than that the movies have very little in common.
I wish it were based on a book. There's so much that could be done to this premise in a book format.
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Post by Aedh on Jan 4, 2009 9:35:52 GMT -5
I wish it were based on a book. There's so much that could be done to this premise in a book format. That's just why I wrote "Roses For Maria," and why I'm writing "Nonstop Murder & Lust," and why I also have two more projects, "The Aion Engine" and "Guardians Of England" in the works. RFM and TAE are, or will be, straight fan-fics using charas and concepts directly from the film. The other two, you have to read between the lines ... as I'd like to publish, and the owners of EQ's copyright apparently don't wish to permit any EQ-based fictions to be published. So the concepts have to be mutated and transmogrified. |
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Post by Aedh on Jan 4, 2009 9:42:20 GMT -5
I love that EQ is teachable in that way. Another thought that I'm taking up in an untimely manner ... EQ is, and Mr Wimmer's other sci-fi/dystopian movie, "Ultraviolet," also is. In fact, "Ultraviolet" is rich in religious and spiritual symbolism, though it's heavily disguised. I once wrote an essay on that. |
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Post by Mirabilis on Jan 4, 2009 19:12:34 GMT -5
I once described EQ as 1984 meets Farenheit 451 meets The Matrix meets Dean Koontz Midnight. The Matrix only because of the stylized violence and black coats; other than that the movies have very little in common. I wish it were based on a book. There's so much that could be done to this premise in a book format. You might also want to try reading Ayn Rand's short story "Anthem," another dystopian view on society...or "WE" by Yevgeny Zamyatin. Oh and AikidoAl put up this link on another thread which might also interest you: www.naderlibrary.com/perf.geom.toc.htm |
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Post by masha on Jan 4, 2009 20:48:03 GMT -5
Anthem is one of my favorite books ever. But the society in there is very different, coming from Rand's view that as freedom is taken away, the result is not a technologically advanced Big Brother surveilance world, but rather a backwards one.
I also liked Time Will Run Back by Thomas Hazlitt (sp.?) about a young benevolent ruler coming into an 1984-like society and trying to re-discover the principles of freedom and free economy. That book came out almost at the same time as 1984 and was dismissed by many as a ripoff, but it's actually very original.
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Post by Aedh on Jan 4, 2009 23:10:47 GMT -5
Any discussion of dystopian novels would not be complete without mention of "Lord Of The Flies." Not that it has anything to do with EQ, but it is possibly the most savage dystopian story of them all. And the forward-looking paranoia of Philip K. Dick, which had a great influence on most American writers, even those who never read him directly. Dick could very easily have generated the idea behind "The Matrix."
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Post by kingofsorrow on Jan 6, 2009 8:39:35 GMT -5
Any discussion of dystopian novels would not be complete without mention of "Lord Of The Flies." Not that it has anything to do with EQ, but it is possibly the most savage dystopian story of them all. And the forward-looking paranoia of Philip K. Dick, which had a great influence on most American writers, even those who never read him directly. Dick could very easily have generated the idea behind "The Matrix." thank you!!!!! |
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Post by masha on Jan 31, 2009 15:00:31 GMT -5
Oh I forgot another book with a similar theme. Return form the Stars by Stanislaw Lem. At birth every person AND every animal gets a "vaccine" that keeps them from even thinking about either harming another or taking a mortal risk. It's not really a dystopia so much because the society is fairly benign, but it's written from a POV of an astronaut who comes into that society without the vaccine. So it shows that some things will be missing from a society that is artificially made safe. Sadly we are already moving towards some of it, such as eleminating some "unsafe" spotrts for kids and unhealthy foods.
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Post by Optics on May 21, 2009 10:36:07 GMT -5
The movie Equilibrium shares a lot of themes with many books, and other sci-fi works. It's not "based" on them in the sense that it's taking from them; but rather it's a new fresh take on existing ideas. So what if it shares some things in common? It's its own entity and can be enjoyed as such.
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Post by masha on May 24, 2009 15:00:13 GMT -5
Well I think the reason the movie resonates with so many is because the themes are universal. And therefore it's no wonder these same themes were explored elsewhere in literature. But it's fun to discuss what it has in common with particular books, so that members here would be introduced to those books and have the opportunity to enjoy them.
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