CGenro
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Post by CGenro on Mar 6, 2006 2:06:07 GMT -5
The novelization was just released here so I`ll be picking it up tommorow. As I believe it is based on Wimmer`s script I`m hoping this will shed light on to his true vision for this film before it was tampered with.
Has anyone else picked this up yet? any thoughts?
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Post by JenGe on Mar 6, 2006 2:56:17 GMT -5
Yes, I have it but I have not had the time to start reading it yet.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 8:11:40 GMT -5
I have read the first few chapters. And it is......
Awesome! In one word ...Cool.
There is blood in the fight scens they are graphic in nature and the transitions are so much better than the movie.
Now I don't know how close the novelization is to Wimmer's script. BUT if it is anything like the book right now. I have to say only this..
Wimmer SHOULD have been given complete autonomy on the movie direction and editing. PLUS a much larger budget. Because it is hard for me to visualize EVERYTHING Wimmer put in his script to turn out half way decent in his movie.
Honestly, IMO, Wimmer got screwed, because even though the dialogue is still cheesy because of the comic style writing. The world he created is HUGE and expansive.
If he truely had the budget of a SW film...The MOVIE WOULD HAVE BEEN PURE MAGIC.
Its a real shame.
Still reading...keep you all posted.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 6, 2006 11:04:11 GMT -5
Well Yvonne commented when she first saw the trailer for UV that it really did not represent Wimmer's script that she was using to write the novelization. She did not seem too happy about it. She has not commented on the film yet.
I am going to post your what you just wrote on a thread at IMDb.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 11:35:15 GMT -5
Yeah Jenge,
I was stunned when I started reading the novel, it was similiar to the movie, yet SOOO much more detailed and exciting. The details of the world and society created explains everything that Wimmer tried to show in the movie. The movie studio just didn't care about the story being told or the movie being made. OR of Wimmer future career for that matter.
They screwed him ...really bad.
Typing about it just makes me so angry.
Wouldn't it be great if Wimmer was given 1 chance to make any movie he wanted with the budget and time he desired. CAN you imagine what kind of quality, and exciting story he could tell? I can.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 6, 2006 11:58:35 GMT -5
I'm going to start reading this today...you have me so excited about it!!!
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 12:19:27 GMT -5
Geez I hope I didn't over hype the Novel to much  . But honestly, compared to the movie... the detail is pretty darn good... I ll let you know my fav scene in the book and why later. |
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Post by JenGe on Mar 6, 2006 14:32:47 GMT -5
I read the first chapter which is also on line here...It is much more detailed than the film...more blood. The action is not as visual but the development of the world is certainly clearer. The fact that they are vampires is set in the first exchange while in the film that is gone. It is clear that for whatever reasons the film has been vastly simplified. |
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 16:07:50 GMT -5
A detailed explaination of the entire exsistence of the HPV and its strangle hold on the world, then the Governments testing studies, and modification of the disease is something where it was completely glossed over in the movie.
After reading the few chapters, it seems like the movie gives you the visual orientation of the story, yet doesn't completely explain the world that really should immerse the audience like the book does. Its like watching a longer version of a trailer. IMO
I am pretty much glued to the book, because it reall does fill in the blanks I was drawing when I saw the movie.
Perhaps Wimmer and/or Screen Gems should have passed out the novel Freely with the purchase of a movie ticket.
I know I would have enjoyed it so much more.
In Fact, I am going to go see it again tomorrow.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 6, 2006 19:53:13 GMT -5
After reading the few chapters, it seems like the movie gives you the visual orientation of the story, yet doesn't completely explain the world that really should immerse the audience like the book does. Its like watching a longer version of a trailer. IMO A longer version of the trailer....bahahahah!!! That's an excellent way of putting it. Like there is something else...just behind the surface. I agree that the novelization is filling all of that in really nicely. I'm going to see it again later this week. Several people on IMDb have stated it was actually better the second time around. That happened to me with Frquency...I expecting a no-brainer with that one and got so much more. |
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 20:33:41 GMT -5
I agree, seeing a movie you may not totally like or understand a second time helps you feel....well... better about the overall picture. ya know please don't misunderstand, I did enjoy UV. I wasn't smiling after leaving the theater, yet wondering what I just saw and tried to really think about it. When that happens to me I am compelled to see it again. Now that I am slowly , VERY SLOWLY getting through the Ultraviolet novel (no time ya know). I am regaining my anticipation to see it again, instead of usually forcing to see a movie a second time. I give Wimmer all the credit in the world for sticking with the movie till the end, but if I was in his shoes...I might have walk off the set. ..maybe..  |
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Post by CGenro on Mar 6, 2006 21:15:59 GMT -5
I`m glad tjfbryant that you are enjoying the novel so much. I want to speed read through the novel and then go see the movie again.
The novel does state that it is based on Wimmers screenplay so I can only assume we will be able to read what Wimmer intended for the film to actually become. Also I`m not sure if any story elements were added by the author as well.
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Post by tjfbryant on Mar 6, 2006 22:50:41 GMT -5
As you said Cgenro, you really don't know what elements were added into the Novelization from the screenplay. There may be slight differences. But for the most part, it appears to be a rather accurate adaptation of Wimmer's screenplay. I can actually visualize him adding these details into his editing cut, (IF he was given total control.)
I too wish I could speed read, alas I am a slow reader. Although I shouldn't be, I have my Masters in English Literature...lol.
I strongly recommend reading the book, then seeing the movie again.... It wil help you to really connect better with the protagonist. At least, thats the way I like most of my Super hero action flicks.
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Post by CGenro on Mar 7, 2006 1:15:53 GMT -5
I strongly recommend reading the book, then seeing the movie again.... It wil help you to really connect better with the protagonist. At least, thats the way I like most of my Super hero action flicks. I totally agree. If we can`t connect to the main character and really root for him/her to succeed then what the hell is the point of the film?? Sony was basically trying to sell us on all action but that definately doesn`t work for me at all. |
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 10, 2006 1:44:32 GMT -5
yea i just picked this up today...read about 2 chaps...will be reading more tonight....
....much more detail and much more bloody....wimmer dosent seem like he cares a whole lot about blood...but it does seem as tho he cares about IMPACT ..... and the film defenitly lacked some of it...
.....that impact & blood is in the novel....so....yup....
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Post by CGenro on Mar 10, 2006 1:46:39 GMT -5
well I`m almost done the novel and I have to say I`m impressed. If only the movie was brought to the screen with Wimmers vision then this film would have been amazing.
The book is excellent in forming that bond between Violet and Six. Once I`m done the book most likely tommorow I`m going to have to see the movie again as I now have the full backstory.
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 10, 2006 1:53:52 GMT -5
i think your going to enjoy the movie more this time around....every time i learn something more about the charecters i enjoy it more and more.....
....but im wierd like that i guess.....
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Post by CGenro on Mar 10, 2006 1:59:46 GMT -5
Hey I`m like that as well. The more I learn about the characters the better. It`s just to bad all this info wasn`t in the movie.
Also have you checked out the Ultraviolet website?? They have a mini story that takes place before the film which shows how Violet learned how to beat the test when she goes to get the case.
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 10, 2006 2:05:22 GMT -5
yea...i read the graphic novel thing.....
....yea it is a shame all this wasent in the movie....because i know most....well no i wont say most...i know some extra backstory that wasent in the film.....
....so i dont notice all these PLOTHOLES everyone keeps talking about.....
i think most people dont understand why her clothes change color...and are calling THAT a plothole....
....but i dunno....
....i watched the movie with the lil bit of extra knowledge i know and loved the movie.....
.....but everyone else is lookin at me stupid because i enjoyed it....
....i dunno...im talkin to much.....
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Post by CGenro on Mar 10, 2006 2:09:15 GMT -5
When I saw the movie I thought it was pretty cool that her hair and clothes changed color.
Only later did I learn that this wasn`t just for a cool effect in the movie but she actual wore clothes that changed color based on her mood. Also she had something in her hair so she would be able to change her hair color willingly. This is actually shown in the movie when you see her for the first time as the ends of her hair sparkle.
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 10, 2006 2:13:07 GMT -5
i think she has a special plastic laced over every strand....
....i think it changes based on her mood and her choice.....
.....like the yellow and black...im pretty sure that was just because she liked the color she saw....
and yea the charecters....
.....if you never understand that daxus has obsessive compulsive disorder....you dont REALLY get his anger about the hemo blood....
"you got hemo blood on me* takes off gloves* ...it is on"
thats halarious...and the music stops.....and look at his face when he says it....
....what a great moment....
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Post by jackmode211 on Mar 11, 2006 22:05:24 GMT -5
just finished the novel.....
......pretty damn good....
.....kinda wish they had put the cussing into the movie...but oh well....its possible some of its in kurts version...that we may or may not be able to see
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Post by kalaong on Mar 12, 2006 14:00:10 GMT -5
Precisely! Let's see if we can do something about it!
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on Jul 18, 2006 16:42:44 GMT -5
If you haven't read the novel yet and don't want to get something spoiled don't read more!
AGAIN SPOILERS ALERT:
The Blood Chinois fight in the book is different then in the movie.
I'm thinking about the visuals of the Fight which were described in the book.
Since Violet almost never really kicks ass with her bare hands, it would have been really fun to watch. Probably she would have fought many at one time and made very cool moves. Like Backflips, BackHandFlips, Frontkicks, Aerials, Butterfly Kicks, Scorpion Kicks, Breaking Bones etc. I loved how she described the Situation with Kar Wai, he looks what mistakes his people do and tries to get Violet with different moves at the end. She is to fast for him and breaks his neck etc.
I would love to here other comments about this fight. How did you think of the fight in your mind?
WATCH ME
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Post by alexander on Jul 23, 2006 14:37:50 GMT -5
Hi guys. This is my first time posting here. I recently saw the movie UltraViolet and was interested in finding the original screenplay by Kurt Wimmer, but the closest I have come to an original screenplay is Yvonne Navarro's novelization of the movie. I wanted to know if the novelization was really based on the screenplay(whereas she might have had the privilege to look it over) or not. It is said that it's based on the screenplay by Kurt Wimmer, but I do not know how much of that is accurate.
For instance, in chapter one of the novelization, it is said that there are seven spheres, not five as in the movie, that descend upon the blood bank. Is the original number of spheres in the screenplay seven but for the purposes of filming did they decide to make it five instead? Also, it states in the novelization that the building that housed the blood bank was destroyed using nuclear explosives. Is there any supporting evidence to suggest that this is in the original screenplay as well? I just want to know how many grains of salt I should add when reading over the novelization of UltraViolet. The only reason I am reading the novelization is because I cannot find the original screenplay and I am worried that I will never be able to see a director's cut of the film. I believe the film would have been significantly more fluid had it not been for the editing process that reduced the final cut to the current theatrical and unrated versions of the movie. Also, one last thing regarding the novelization, I noticed some dialogue in the novelization that was different from what I had heard was in the original screenplay even before the final cuts were made. Has Yvonne Navarro taken it upon herself to modify the dialogue somewhat? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help shed some light on the above queries.
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Post by JenGe on Jul 23, 2006 16:53:32 GMT -5
At one time Navarro posted on the IMDb boards and stated that she based the novelization on two original screenplays that Sony gave her for UV. Wimmer had nothing to do with the novelization personally. Until the screenplay hits the online sources it is difficult to quess what in the noevization is his and what is hers.
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Post by alexander on Jul 23, 2006 17:17:59 GMT -5
Do you think the original screenplay will really be available for the public to see on-line?
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Post by Aedh on Aug 1, 2006 17:22:59 GMT -5
Navarro stayed quite faithful to the movie dialogue, as you have probably noticed by now. But she did change one or two things. Notably, she added to Violet's final line to Daxus, which went from something that summed up her whole character and attitude, to a 'WhatTheHell?' line that had nothing to do with anything. Damn near ruined the whole thing for me. Then her addition at the absolute end about Six's pet, which, again, had nothing to do with anything. That finished the job. For me, at any rate. S.M. Stirling or even Jody Lynn Nye wouldn't have fooled around like that.
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