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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 12, 2006 3:42:03 GMT -5
Spoilers, schmoilers. The original trailer had a huge spoiler in it.
Projection....disruption anyone?
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Post by guiboche on Jul 12, 2006 15:08:35 GMT -5
Maybe my trailer does have some spoilers in it. I'm not really interested in defending myself. Since in 50 people who have seen it, maybe 3 don't like it. 47 outta 50 ain't bad But, as for the trailer, I didn't think I was giving too much away. The official trailer didn't even touch on the story, or the characters at all. So I really wanted to do the complete opposite and explain what the plot and character motivations were. And, the plot is: Violet is dying, and she is in the middle of a war between her kind and humans. The child is the key to saving or destroying all mankind. That's all really. If anything, what is a full fledge spoiler is the part where he shots the child, and we see it's not real. But, let's look at it this way. Let's say the movie hasn't come out yet. If you even show or mention the child, we would already know that when he gestures to shot the child (during our first viewing), that there is something preventing him from doing it. Maybe it's not knowing that is the importance. To me, if anything, that is the only true spoiler. Overall, I don't care how this trailer fits into the real world of "Trailer Marking." Truth is, you will probably never ever see a trailer like this from the mainsteam ever. Original, I thought the trailer would be around 2:30 minutes. But, the last 1:20 (starting from, "IT IS ON") to the end was pretty much the first section I edited. So I didn't really care how long it took to explain the plot. I wasn't going to lose any moment from the end. All I really care about is created a kick ass hell of a ride from start to finish. And, based on reactions from all of you and others, I seam to have maybe suceeded in doing that. Now stay away from all the Equilibrium music videos on this site! They all give away the entire ending (hehe, sorry. I had to jab Laters ;D
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 12, 2006 18:20:38 GMT -5
hehehehe, touche! Actually have you done any music vids for anything? Reckon you'd make some kick arse ones! (that is if you had interest in making them in the first place) I wasn't having a go at you for spoilers BTW... Exactly. Do it how you want to do it. You're not getting paid for it so make it in the way that makes you happy.
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Post by guiboche on Jul 12, 2006 19:17:10 GMT -5
Actually have you done any music vids for anything? Reckon you'd make some kick arse ones! (that is if you had interest in making them in the first place) Well, none that I have finished. There is one that I have been working on and off. Whenever I finish it, you'll definitely see it on my site I wasn't having a go at you for spoilers BTW... Oh, I know. It was just a general reply to everyone
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Post by coldsteel on Jul 17, 2006 12:10:53 GMT -5
The trailer is great, but it's more a shirt version of the movie than a trailer, since it has many spoilers (never use the bossfight in a trailer!!!) in it. Just for people who already know the movie.
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Post by billykid on Jul 17, 2006 13:59:41 GMT -5
There was only one "spoiler" in the original trailer and that was the hologram Violet puts out. And I would not classify that as a "huge spoiler" in any fashion.
Actually, the official trailer DID touch upon the story. Yeah, you gave more of the story in, and that's fine...but there's WAAAAAYYYYY too many spoilers.
You give away big moments (how the last fight starts), turning points (the child being a hologram in the case, which is how Violet gets him away), most of the best lines, and spoil tons of things in the film.
There are brilliant moments in the trailer without a doubt, but I cannot show that trailer to anyone who has not seen the movie. I honestly believe that if you shave a minute off that trailer (cutting out all the spoilers), the trailer would easily be perfect.
And you can't compare the music videos to this trailer because a trailer's job is to entice and bring interest to a film. A music video, especially the kinds that are being made on the net, are aimed for people who have already seen the film and are watching a wrap up of it.
If you will never consider to re-edit the trailer to cut out all the spoilers it will be a huge shame. A huge shame of how enormous the potential is for a perfect trailer from the awesome parts.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 17, 2006 17:44:53 GMT -5
There was only one spoiler in the original trailer and that was the hologram Violet puts out. And I would not classify that as a huge spoiler in any fashion. I do. From knowing that she wasn't actually there to take on that many soldiers (and possibly wondering how she would accomplish such a feat), essentially took away all tension from the scene. So I, as an audience member, never once felt Violet was in any danger in that particular sequence. That, is a MASSIVE spoiler. But it seems our definitions of spoilers are different so we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by billykid on Jul 18, 2006 15:05:43 GMT -5
Oh...it's a spoiler alright. But a "MASSIVE" one like you claim? No.
I find it interesting you used that as a point against the original trailer in order to defend this one, yet that exact same scene is spoiled in the fan trailer as well.
And so is the fan trailer which shows that the kid escaped by Violet putting a hologram in the case, thus taking away all the tension from that scene as well.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 18, 2006 18:14:08 GMT -5
I find it interesting you used that as a point against the original trailer in order to defend this one, yet that exact same scene is spoiled in the fan trailer as well. Well as you've pointed out - it was already seen in the official trailer. Can't get any more spoiled now can it?
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Post by guiboche on Jul 19, 2006 3:23:41 GMT -5
Actually, the official trailer DID touch upon the story. Yeah, you gave more of the story in, and that's fine...but there's WAAAAAYYYYY too many spoilers. Well, yes it did touch on the story. Only Violet's. And never anyone else. They're just a bunch of people who pop up at various moments and say things. I also had a problem with the original trailer lying. We are told that THEY created her. In fact, THEY never did. And she was never a part of the original line of soldiers they so-called create. They actually never even created soldiers..... You give away big moments (how the last fight starts), turning points (the child being a hologram in the case, which is how Violet gets him away), most of the best lines, and spoil tons of things in the film. Hehe, alright. Now I understand where you're coming from If you really considering me showing a character saying "IT IS ON!" a spoiler, then I might as well just smashed in the titlecard at 10 seconds. Because, anything I show beyond "My Name Is Violet" is gonna go in your book as spoilers, becase you SAW the movie. You're calling it "How the last fight starts." How is anyone suppose to know that this is THE LAST FIGHT. Better yet, how is showing it, and having him say " IT IS ON" a spoiler? Call it a spoiler all you want. It isn't as far as I'm concerned. What's the true spoilers in this trailer? I've stated that above already. There are brilliant moments in the trailer without a doubt, but I cannot show that trailer to anyone who has not seen the movie. I honestly believe that if you shave a minute off that trailer (cutting out all the spoilers), the trailer would easily be perfect. Well, my VOB is available. Shave a minute off of it. I'd love to see what you come up with Since, I'm not making a new version. It is what it is. And if you're not gonna show it to anyone, so what And you can't compare the music videos to this trailer because a trailer's job is to entice and bring interest to a film. Well I did that. Not for you, but for the 75 others who saw my trailer. 75 that I know of.... There's a whole line of people in Germany from the Movie-List forums who are finally gonna see it because of my trailer. Some even decide to catch it in the theatre before it was done...... A music video, especially the kinds that are being made on the net, are aimed for people who have already seen the film and are watching a wrap up of it. They are? I didn't know they were ONLY for people who already saw the content. That's pretty boring if you ask me..... If you will never consider to re-edit the trailer to cut out all the spoilers it will be a huge shame. A huge shame of how enormous the potential is for a perfect trailer from the awesome parts. Well, the VOB is there. Go for it. Show me what the AWESOME parts are. As for me, I'm not re-cutting it. On to the next project is what I'm doing......
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Post by billykid on Jul 20, 2006 11:06:23 GMT -5
So the same mistake made twice is okay? That makes no sense.
No. You're just being overly defensive.
I mentioned some other stuff, but you curiously concentrated on that one for some reason. Okay...besides the fact that you establish that is the bad guy of the film and if the bad guy is about to fight the good guy, chances are that's the last fight...that's not the real biggie problem of what I meant by mentioning it. You show a major point in the film which is when Violet hits the blood on him. For someone watching the trailer, that might not seem like a big deal, however...as someone is watching the film and they notice it is established that the bad guy is meticulous about not getting anything on him, one will instantly think of that part from the trailer when the blood got on him. And, since it is established that the blood is contaminated, well...it doesn't take a genius to get it spoiled once you think about it.
On top of all that...I showed the trailer to a friend of mine who didn't see the movie. As he was watching that part of it he turned to me and said, "Let me guess...that's the end fight right?"
I don't see the purpose of these replies, other than a result of being not being able to handle comments that aren't positive or constructive.
If you are just gonna reply to anything that isn't in your favor with a "Don't like it...f*** off" attitude...then just don't bother posting. It leads to nowhere.
Instead of that, perhaps think that maybe perhaps I am not coming from somewhere to attack, but to give honest thoughts. Notice when I mentioned your So Close trailer, I said nothing like this of it. Why? Cause there were no spoilers in that trailer and a big reason it's a better trailer than this. And besides the spoilers (main problem) the rhythm is off at times. Kinda obvious when you look at the length (too much jammed in).
But hey, if none of that means anything to you and you don't care, since that's how you want to come across, then forget it man.
Ok?
Yeah they are and that doesn't make them boring at all. They are tributes and homages to the films and it's by fans for fans.
Two things:
If I had the tools, I would attempt it. But I don't.
And, I would have been happy to take the offer from you personally to do so, if that reply didn't come across so cynical ("show me what the AWESOME parts are").
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on Jul 20, 2006 12:45:42 GMT -5
Why are you having a discussion about the "trailer". Guiboche did a great job in creating this little peace of treasure and you(billykid) have nothing better to do in starting a big talk about what he did wrong etc. If you think it spoils to much, then don't show it to somebody you know. As Guiboche already told you, with this fine work of Ultraviolet scenes many more people get interested in the movie. I showed it to many people and they loved it, so they asked me right away if we could watch the movie, and I explained them the backgrounds of the movie etc. If you can do better, then show us, but don't complain about others if you haven't done something like that before. It's very hard work!
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Post by JenGe on Jul 20, 2006 13:35:38 GMT -5
Over criticism about "non issues" I usually surmise as jealousy and the inability to create something comparable.
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Post by kaitenproductions on Jul 20, 2006 16:40:43 GMT -5
i say good job on the trailer guiboche. I usually show people the trailer instead of the movie so that they dont have to waste their time. This way they can get all the "good" parts and still have time to watch a real movie.
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 20, 2006 17:28:41 GMT -5
Over criticism about "non issues" I usually surmise as jealousy and the inability to create something comparable. And Bingo was his name-o.
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Post by billykid on Jul 20, 2006 19:30:32 GMT -5
Why am I having a discussion about the trailer? Cause this is a thread about it.
Do I have nothing better to do than start a big talk about it? Wrong. He made a comment, I replied, he replied to my comments that I made, and I did again. That's what happens on threads in forums.
Don't turn this into something it's not by labeling me.
Wow....just wow.
It's real sad that this is coming from the owner of the site, and by writing a comment like that it will not lead to anything positive. Doing that will only draw lines and encourge more bratty remarks like from MisterAnderson which will then escalate further down.
As someone who has been coming to this site for years as a big supporter of it because it was dedicated to one of my favorite movies, you have lost a considerate amount of my respect by just blindly slapping me with claims of jealousy and not having talent simply because I have an opinion.
What a shame.
Here's a lil' tip. If you want to write something that is disparaging against me, try to write something that isn't as cliché, corny, and juvenile as "Bingo was his name-o".
So if I admit that I find Milla Jovovich attrative, will you start singing, "Mili and billy sitting in a tree..."
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Post by JenGe on Jul 20, 2006 21:11:29 GMT -5
It's real sad that this is coming from the owner of the site, and by writing a comment like that it will not lead to anything positive. Neither has most of what you have written on my site.
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Post by billykid on Jul 21, 2006 8:26:23 GMT -5
Come on. As of this writing I have 24 posts. Out of 24 posts, about 3-4 of them are on this issue.
And in those few posts that I commented on this, none of them have been out of jealousy and being untalented like you claimed in such a hurry.
I complimented the gentlemen on his past work and even complimented him on this one (using such words as "brilliant"). I don't know how any of that are signs of a jealous and untalented individual like you slapped me as. I simply mentioned that while brilliant in parts, it is a flawed trailer in my opinion. If I really came from this place that you claimed I would have just dismissed his stuff with posts saying stuff like "He sucks....it's crap...etc.." But it wasn't.
Whatever the case, just because people disagree with me or find it unimportant does not mean I don't deserve an opinion and a right to express. I honestly do think very highly of his abilities because I designed my comments as constructive but was seen as out of context because he became defensive. If he really can't take comments that aren't glowing on everything he does, then I'm sorry but that's not my problem. None of I what I wrote was meant to be taken more than it was, just an opinion of a trailer, except he decided to get defensive after someone else brought it up. I tried to reply with detailed reasons as to what was meant and he just got more defensive then others started to join in to gang up on me because my comments weren't glowing.
If that's the case, then that's too bad to see how easily things can go sour here. And for nothing...
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Post by mawa on Jul 21, 2006 8:42:45 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm and oddball here, but I also don't understand, what is the fuss about. Billykid didn't say that this thing sucks, because it sucks. He actually said it's a piece of good work, but - as for the trailer - it gives away tad too much, while trailers shouldn't do this. I haven't seen neither the movie nor the trailer, but I haven't found in billykid's comments on this particular work anything that could be regarded as wrong, offensive or contrary to the rules of this place. So please, give it a break, guys.
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Post by guiboche on Jul 21, 2006 11:35:15 GMT -5
Well hello ye all again Never has my work gotten so much attention. I'm glad it's a hit on both sides ;D Let's see if I can get to how, why this all happened Someone said the trailer gave away too much. I said sure. While it would seam with a running time at 3 minutes, 30 seconds, this trailer would give away a huge deal amount. Truth is, I could have an edit 10 minutes long, and it might not give anything away. I stated that there were only 2 true spoilers. Both projection scenes. Beyond that, they are only spoilers IF you have seen the movie. Having the "End Fight" I don't believe classifies as a spoiler. Nore does anyone figuring out that is its The End battle as they watch it I think classify as one either. So for myself, and others, I keep on hearing this: " WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to many spoilers" when there's really 2 and would only be more IF you saw the movie. I haven't been told, what, if anything classifies as "Spoiler" matterial, but a constant and generalized "This is all a spoiler" comment, without pointing them out. Yes, there would be MORE spoilers "IF" (I say again, IF) you saw the movie. For instance, check out this image: It's from the trailer for Hero. Now, is it a big deal why they used that image? Of course it is! It gives away the entire movie right there! But only because I have seen the movie. Maybe I'm naive, but I never put together what really happened there before I saw the movie. And, because the trailer for Hero showed Jet Li dodging and ricocheting arrows, I figured this was one of those scenes (again, BEFORE I saw the movie). In the same way, people who have SEEN Ultraviolet are taking that same approach to my trailer. Not only me, but others notice this as well. And, so far, they have had less patients than me I have read the posts over and over, and, I can't find where, if any, that billykid completely explains himself, other than generalizing. I still want to know how a character saying "It is On" is a spoiler. Since, for everyone who gets and understand the trailer, "It Is On" is used in a metaphoric sense for the trailer itself. When he says "It is On" he really means it, and the editing definitely reflects what he means. I love how he fast fowards the action and how he used the sound.... You get more of the story from UV in the unrated trailer, then in the theatrical version... hehe Well, I don't really "Fast Forward" the action, but, again, that's someone who totally GETS what I was doing. You give away big moments (how the last fight starts), turning points (the child being a hologram in the case, which is how Violet gets him away), most of the best lines, and spoil tons of things in the film. And someone who doesn't get it. As stated, there's only 2 true spoilers (if you haven't see the movie), but it sounds like there's a huge truckload based on that comment. And, those SAME exact points were kept on and on to nothingness. If I must say though, out of all the posts on the trailer, and for all the constructive critisms, billykid's comments were the less constructive even if he stated they were. Mister Anderson and even the ower of this site JenGe I'm sure are willing to back me up on that. So if I admit that I find Milla Jovovich attrative, will you start singing, "Mili and billy sitting in a tree..." No, because she's taken. By me As someone who has been coming to this site for years as a big supporter of it because it was dedicated to one of my favorite movies, you have lost a considerate amount of my respect by just blindly slapping me with claims of jealousy and not having talent simply because I have an opinion. Lost some of yours, gained some of my, the balance remains. This is how we keep this site's " Equilibrium" (pun intended! ;D
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Post by JenGe on Jul 21, 2006 12:22:48 GMT -5
...and even the ower of this site JenGe I'm sure are willing to back me up on that. Yes, I will. The "It is on" comment in my opinion cannot be construed in any way shape or form as a true spoiler since in almost every action flick there is a show down between the protagonist and antagonist. Since this is expected the use of that segment can hardly be viewed as a "spoiler" like the bomb that the second official trailer for The Island leveled. Now that WAS a spoiler!!!
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 23, 2006 17:33:28 GMT -5
Here's a lil' tip. If you want to write something that is disparaging against me, try to write something that isn't as cliché, corny, and juvenile as "Bingo was his name-o". So if I admit that I find Milla Jovovich attrative, will you start singing, "Mili and billy sitting in a tree..." If you're offended by that, then you really should stop using the internet now before your feelings truly get hurt. Build a bridge, have it approved by council & get over it. All this over something that was made by fans for the fans....hang on.....didn't someone already say that?
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Post by billykid on Jul 26, 2006 13:16:57 GMT -5
No, child. If you missed the entire point of my comment to you and think that it meant that I was offended perhaps you should refrain from using the Internet until you are mature enough to actually understand other people. What is the point? That you are corny. You can't insult people and no one will get hurt cause you are corny. And bingo was his name-o? If you thought that caused me to bat an eye you are delusional. Only someone who hangs out almost exclusively online would actually think that caused emotional pain and follow it up with a lame warning. I should stop before I truley get hurt? What's your ace comment gonna be that's gonna drive me over the edge bud? Are you gonna call me "silly billy"? You gonna write to me, "Liar liar pants on fire"? Are you gonna claim that I have cooties? Stop man...we don't want this to really get real personal and too vulgar now. Anyone can go back and read and see that I didn't turn anything sour. That credit would be given to you. I simply expressed an opinion which is obviously too much for you too take.
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Post by billykid on Jul 26, 2006 13:27:24 GMT -5
I would have no problem having a discussion with you about this. However, your reaction and attitude are immature seeing as how easily offended you got and how much on the defensive you became. I didn't see any invite to try to open yourself to better explanations and possibly a dialog if you wanted to learn why people might see what they saw that way.
Your comments just came out of bitterness. I mean...claiming that 75 people saw your trailer, that you didn't make it for only me, that a bunch of Germans are now gonna see the movie cause of your trailer, calling me out and challenging me to make a better trailer than you, specifically calling for the defensive and back up of JenGe and Mister Anderson (two people who have drawn the line against me), etc...
None of that gives any room for anything constructive. It is an immediate road for an altercation.
Again...none of what I said was sourced from anything else but simple honesty of my thoughts. If that is not welcomed here then let me know so that way I don't have to waste my energy doing so.
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Post by guiboche on Jul 26, 2006 14:52:42 GMT -5
I would have no problem having a discussion with you about this. However, your reaction and attitude are immature seeing as how easily offended you got and how much on the defensive you became. I didn't see any invite to try to open yourself to better explanations and possibly a dialog if you wanted to learn why people might see what they saw that way. You didn't see any invite? WTF? I asked at least 2 times to tell me what the spoilers were. It was generalized over and over as "You gave away way too much." And, you kept pointing out the "You show him kill the child." I already said, YES, that is a complete and utter spoiler, along with the projection scene. Any comments beyond that you made were all pointless generalization. Your comments just came out of bitterness. I mean...claiming that 75 people saw your trailer, that you didn't make it for only me, that a bunch of Germans are now gonna see the movie cause of your trailer, calling me out and challenging me to make a better trailer than you, specifically calling for the defensive and back up of JenGe and Mister Anderson (two people who have drawn the line against me), etc... I don't have to "claim" that 75 people saw it. According to my stats, at least 934 people have seen it (as of this message). And, hell no, I didn't make it only for you. I made it for the movie trailer fans, the Kurt Wimmer fans, people who liked Ultraviolet. So far, it doesn't seam like you fall into any of those. None of that gives any room for anything constructive. It is an immediate road for an altercation. Alright, read this, and read this carefully. Tell me EXACTLY, and with timecodes the specific parts that are spoilers, give away too much, and can be SHAVED off (your words). Because, " Shaved Off" means BS to me. It's a client marketing term, that accounts for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about what they're talking about. It takes it place with Sinery, Normalize, Quantize, Bandwidth, Touch Base, and countless other BS office jargon and marketing terms that I will never use, nor ever listen to. This trailer (along with pretty much all my work) is a direct backlash to marketing. So if it's the marketing you a problem with, that's no problem with me. Again...none of what I said was sourced from anything else but simple honesty of my thoughts. If that is not welcomed here then let me know so that way I don't have to waste my energy doing so. Well, of course they are welcomed. But if you're not going to give thought and reason into your thoughts and oppinions, then they can be clearly dismissed. There are lots of none specific generlized things you said, such as "too much stuff, all the best lines used, way to many spoilers. WHAT ARE THEY! ? I want to know. There is also another thing you said: " And besides the spoilers (main problem) the rhythm is off at times. Kinda obvious when you look at the length (too much jammed in)." If anything, I MUST know what this means. Especially "rhythm is off." Out of all your comments, this one is the least credible. Because, I can go through the entire trailer, and tell you the exact reason for EVERY shot, and every moment, and every tick, gesture. Also: "Kinda obvious when you look at the length (too much jammed in)." Another none specific generlized comment as opposed to length. Runtime has no relation to how good or bad the content is. If this were true Titanic would have been 1 hour 20 minutes.... JenGe said: " The "It is on" comment in my opinion cannot be construed in any way shape or form as a true spoiler since in almost every action flick there is a show down between the protagonist and antagonist. Since this is expected the use of that segment can hardly be viewed as a "spoiler" <--- That is how you bring forth you thoughts and close it with conclusion. You haven't done any of that.
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Post by billykid on Jul 26, 2006 16:06:38 GMT -5
WTF yourself sir. All of your comments are coming directly from easily feeling offended by comments that weren't even insults or totally dismissive to you. I am telling you that a conversation like this cannot continue in a constructive manner because of your attitude which you are failing to mention or even correct in all of your replies.
None of that right here has ANYTHING to do with what I wrote that you replied to and that was of your bitter attitude and poor handling of other people's comments by going on the attack by selfishly bragging and retaliating.
In your reply you are not responding to any of that...you just are shoving it more in my face. I mentioned that an example of your poor attitude is how you bragged about you telling me that 75 people saw you trailer and now you say even more did (9 hundred whatever) out of spite. What does have to do with anything? Why tell me this? What's the point other than to shove it in my face?
Saying that you did it for fans of the director and the film and claim that I am not any of them? Why? Just cause I mentioned your work was flawed?
Gimme a break...
Uhhhhh....I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Backlash to marketing? Client marketing term? Sir, I am not in any cooperation or any advertising company. If you got beef with "the man" that's between you and whoever your beef is.
I wrote "shave off" because it was part of the phrase "shave off a minute". It was meant nothing more than that. What you are running off on is some tangent here that is some soft spot from something that I have nothing to do with. If you have had bad experience with the white collars of the world, that has no place and no room in this and especially have nothing to do with me. So calm down.
And as far as your second "invite" at me discussing this with you at the start of the sentence there....I would have had no problem like I said if you just asked from the start of this whole. But, in the same reply you just had to follow it up with, "Because, "Shaved Off" means BS to me. It's a client marketing term, that accounts for someone who doesn't know a damn thing about what they're talking about. "
Which means you are insinuating that I don't know what I'm talking about. Good job. Really run this into the ground and turn it into insults. That'll get us somewhere.
Then leave the bitterness and childish attitude at the door and just ask me then ya jackass!
Try something like:
"Hey billy...you said this and this and this....can you elaborate cause I don't understand?"
That's all you had to do from the start man.
No. Instead I got, "Yeah, you don't like it? Well guess what? German people gonna watch the movie cause of my trailer, 75 people saw my trailer...oh wait...ha... now over 900 people saw it....I didn't make it for you, you think you can make a better one than my trailer? Then go ahead...show me!"
I don't read anywhere on there that spells an invite for friendly discussion. I read it as a stern retaliation that is an invite for an argument (which we got one) and lack of maturity. And you are continuing this with every passing reply. I don't know how you can actually expect to get anywhere by filling your replies with crap like that.
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Post by guiboche on Jul 26, 2006 16:53:19 GMT -5
I asked "How is showing a character saying "It is On" a spoiler" very long ago. You still haven't answered that, or anything else.
So, basically, you have nothing to say.
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Post by guiboche on Jul 26, 2006 16:57:29 GMT -5
Oops, sorry for double replying. Let me try this again.
Hey billy, you said showing a character saying "It is on" is a spoiler. Can you elaborate cause I don't understand?"
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jul 27, 2006 0:20:09 GMT -5
I've honestly got no more time these days for someone who wants to pick the arse out of every single comment. But hey if you want to see that as a "win" to you, you go right ahead & think that. Whatever helps you sleep at nights.
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Post by billykid on Jul 27, 2006 9:32:03 GMT -5
Got no time these days huh? So you actually got to kiss a girl since we last chatted huh? Well, good for you man! You keep on getting lucky bud! We're all rooting for ya! Will do! Awwww....you're thinking of others. That's so sweet! Thank you my friend. I'll let you know if I feel any better in the morning okay?
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