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May 14, 2004 22:48:55 GMT -5
Post by DjBliss on May 14, 2004 22:48:55 GMT -5
I highly enjoied this movie...It may have not followed the myths and all that but it was entertaning. Great battles and the fight between Hector and Brad pitt was SO COOL. 10/10 Good acting but was a little cheesey with brads one liners(though i did enjoy them)
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May 15, 2004 8:25:55 GMT -5
Post by MAX on May 15, 2004 8:25:55 GMT -5
...It may have not followed the myths and all that Yeh, I heard they took out all references to the gods. Makes you wonder why... Well, I'll see it at some point. My girlfriend desperately wants to go see it because Pitt apparently gets nude.
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May 15, 2004 11:21:58 GMT -5
Post by FabioQelDroma on May 15, 2004 11:21:58 GMT -5
And he gets nude way too much in my opinion....anyway it was an ok movie for me.Eric Bana and Peter O'toole are simple amazing to watch...
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May 15, 2004 12:45:59 GMT -5
Post by skippythegator on May 15, 2004 12:45:59 GMT -5
Max,
Go see it. Right now. It's that good.
If it hadn't been the last full show for the day, I'd have stuck around in the theater to see it again.
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May 15, 2004 12:56:05 GMT -5
Post by Libby on May 15, 2004 12:56:05 GMT -5
Now, having studied classics at 'A' Level (Homer, Virgil, Pliny, Cicero etc, ) I tend to get a bit antsy about film versions...but Brad Pitt in the buff! Vue here I come!!! ;D
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May 15, 2004 13:13:54 GMT -5
Post by skippythegator on May 15, 2004 13:13:54 GMT -5
Libby, I haven't kept up with the classics really - I know just enough to keep up with the names, and to vaguely recall what happened to them. But I think if you just take this movie as it comes, and not compare it to the Iliad, you might find it quite enjoyable By necessity it really won't be as complex as the written version - but it definitely entertains edit: look out for Achilles' "signature blow" ;D
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May 15, 2004 13:34:03 GMT -5
Post by Libby on May 15, 2004 13:34:03 GMT -5
Libby, I haven't kept up with the classics really - I know just enough to keep up with the names, and to vaguely recall what happened to them. But I think if you just take this movie as it comes, and not compare it to the Iliad, you might find it quite enjoyable By necessity it really won't be as complex as the written version - but it definitely entertains edit: look out for Achilles' "signature blow" ;D I'm sure it will...I'm no purist! And I adored 'Gladiator'. When I was a sprog I couldn't wait for all the re-runs of 'Jason and the Argonauts' and suchlike! Hmmm...still like them now! ;D
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May 15, 2004 13:51:28 GMT -5
Post by skippythegator on May 15, 2004 13:51:28 GMT -5
hmmm...after reading the reviews on imdb.com, I can see why some people didn't like it. I don't think I'm giving any spoilers when I say that they took a lot of creative license with the film...this might be a good thing, because even if you know what's supposed to happen, you may be in for a few surprises.
Actually, now that I think about it, having some idea of what's supposed to happen (who kills who) just adds to the suspense...will the director stick to the original, or not?
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May 15, 2004 14:47:42 GMT -5
Post by Deimos on May 15, 2004 14:47:42 GMT -5
I really want to see this, not least for the massive battle scenes in the trailer. I'm also really interested in how they've interpreted the story. I'm a bit miffed at the 'no gods' idea (turns out that Paris must just be a really, really, really, *really* good shot) but I want to see how that'll affect the plot. Shame if they drop the Cassandra character though, because I thought that she was a brilliant idea for a character and said something fundamental about human nature. But hey, I'm not expecting 'The Iliad: The Movie' so I'll look forward to some great battle sequences and hopefully some epic acting! Deimos
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May 16, 2004 5:32:59 GMT -5
Post by MisterAnderson on May 16, 2004 5:32:59 GMT -5
I just went and saw this film, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Now thats what a greek tradegy should be like - Hulk...I'm looking at you here...
While I am an absolute mythology lover, I didn't mind the absence of the gods & the slight differences to certain elements to the story - this film had more of a "real world" feel to it without the intervention of major deities (although they were mentioned from time to time) & worked better as a film.
It definately had a grand feeling to it that other great period epics had previously (Braveheart, Gladiator). I read a review that this film lacked passion, but I have to strongly disagree...the performances on the whole were excellent & the story well told.
While its not an wholly accurate history lesson, it is a bloody entertaining 2hrs 45mins - definate value for money.
And I agree, the Achilles/Hector fight was superb...definately the biggest highlight of the film for me! Brad & Eric were amazing!
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May 17, 2004 11:25:59 GMT -5
Post by ClericTrinity on May 17, 2004 11:25:59 GMT -5
Well, let's see...as a result, you recomended this movie? Ok...mayby next weekend i'd watch it
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May 17, 2004 13:55:46 GMT -5
Post by wtf on May 17, 2004 13:55:46 GMT -5
It's definately worth catching. It took me awhile to figure out who was playing Odysseus at first. I just kept going through the movie going "Odysseus is cool...why is he cool?" until it occured to me "Oh, it's Sean Bean." This movie was only the second time I saw Eric Bana act, so I realized what the Hulk wasted in him. He did an excellent job. I thought Pitt's Achilles was good actually. Achilles himself is sort of a one-dimensional character. Sort of the "Superman" of the Greek age with the same problems. So I think any woodness was on the part of the character. Peter O'Toole was on the top of his game.
I also liked how the whole Paris/Helen thing was pushed in the background once the chain of events started.
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May 20, 2004 19:48:30 GMT -5
Post by JenGe on May 20, 2004 19:48:30 GMT -5
I just got back from seeing this flick & though I throughly enjoyed the last half I do have some complaints because it really is not a "complete" film for me. Yes, it does suffer a bit from the shadow of Gladiator but overall mostly enjoyable.
---Good---
- Nice character development in the second half of the film between Hector, his wife, Polydora, & Achilles. Eric Bana has been on my "To Watch" list since I spotted him in Black Hawk Down. (Hulk has already slipped from my memory though.)
- Sean Bean, man does that man have screen presence or what!!?? If they do this right they'll bring him back in a new version of The Odyssey as a sequel.
- Hector & Achilles fight. I'm actually half & half on this one. It's a good, old fashioned sword/spear fight which I enjoyed but Ridley Scott, Kurt Wimmer, & the Wachowskis have spoiled me. The camera really should have been utilized more in that scene & then it would have been spectacular. Excellent use of drums here.
---The Ho-Hum stuff that didn't work for me---
- The whole first hour of the film. Until the Greeks actually got to Troy I really wasn't hooked into the film at all. After that though it didn't seem like almost 3 hours...it just flew.
- The music, IMHO all wrong except for the female solos which were good but I actually think were a bit over-used and way too reminiscent of Gladiator. In fact a few times it almost felt like the Gladiator theme should have kicked in after some of those.
- cinematography, like I said I've been spoiled. I really think some of those shots could have been soooo much better.
Overall, I really liked it but didn't OD on it. Will I own it?? Not really sure but Troy is not one I'll buy the first day at 12:01am.
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May 20, 2004 21:15:14 GMT -5
Post by JenGe on May 20, 2004 21:15:14 GMT -5
And he gets nude way too much in my opinion... I must have seen a different film then you because there just was not enough.
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May 21, 2004 6:16:55 GMT -5
Post by Coolhand on May 21, 2004 6:16:55 GMT -5
SPOILER ALERT! SPOILER ALERT! This report just in from the Coolhand Film News... Sean Bean in "Not Dead" shocker.Sean "Bodybag" Bean has dismayed legions of fans with his latest film Troy by ruthlessly surviving through to the end of the film. Known for snuffing it in every movie he makes, this new career move has not found favour with Bean’s audience "We love Sean." said one fan. "We love his powerful screen presence and warm, noble voice. But most of all we love the way his cold dead corpse hits the floor at the end of every movie." “After seeing Sean's powerful yet moving performances in Lord of the Rings and Equilibrium, we knew that we wanted him for Troy." said director Wolfgang Peiterson. "He was reluctant to do the movie at first when it became apparent that Odysseus didn't die. He wanted to play Achilles, or Hector, or fourth cannon fodder from the left. In the end, I was able to convince him to take the role we were offering." "Oh man," he mutters. "Big mistake." It soon became apparent that Bean's non-death was troubling him, according to actor Eric Banna. "He seemed twitchy, restless. The problems started when we were filming the battle scene outside the walls of Troy. Sean turned up with a bullseye painted on his breastplate and began to moon the archers. Then when we did the camera wide-pan across the field of dead, we'd always see Sean there in a fake beard, clawing at the sky and writhing his final breath." When asked to confirm reports that he himself had shown up for the big Achilles/Hector fight spray painted green and wearing spandex pants, Bana simply replied that he'd been drinking the night before and "Got Confused." "Every scene we did, man, ever scene." mumbles Brad Anniston-sorry-Pitt. "Every scene Sean'd suddenly whip out a book of poetry, read a few lines and look at me all expectant." "It was a real problem during the nekkid love scene between Paris and Helen." muses Orlando Bloom. "I mean, here I am, trying to create a sense of intimacy and passion with an actress and suddenly Sean comes staggering through the shot, dressed in full armour, clawing at his throat and gasping his last. We had to do 60 takes before we could keep him out." Bloom suddenly goes wistful and begins to drool. "Sixty takes." he mumbles, grinning. Problems grew and grew. According to sources, by the tenth day of shooting there were 521 separate outtakes in which Bean had unexpectedly run into shot, shouted “Arrrgggh” and fallen over. "In the end, I took the bull by the horns." says Wolfgang Peiterson. "I wrote and shot a death in battle for Sean in which he gets stabbed, shot, burned, detonated, crushed, poached and tickled. After that, Sean was no problem at all, turned up every day with a smile on his face and a skip in his stride." "What I didn't tell Sean was that I had no intention of including the scene in the final film." But the scheme reportedly went wrong at the World Premiere. When the end credits began to roll and it became apparent that the death scene had been cut, Bean leapt to his feet, ran up in front of the screen, shouted "Arrrggh" and fell over. He reportedly stayed there until a local doctor was persuaded to pronounce him dead. The actor's one man show, "Sean Bean shouts Arrrrggh and falls over" is currently touring London's West End.
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May 21, 2004 7:02:00 GMT -5
Post by skippythegator on May 21, 2004 7:02:00 GMT -5
ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D
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May 21, 2004 8:08:10 GMT -5
Post by MAX on May 21, 2004 8:08:10 GMT -5
LOL!!!
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May 24, 2004 9:46:34 GMT -5
Post by ClericTrinity on May 24, 2004 9:46:34 GMT -5
Welcome to the Troy site! It's cool(Jen, Equilibrium is more cooler then Troy))) So, troymovie.wornerbros.com Welcome! P.S.:It's flash-site
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May 24, 2004 18:14:06 GMT -5
Post by MisterAnderson on May 24, 2004 18:14:06 GMT -5
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! @ Coolhand's Sean Bean Story!
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May 24, 2004 19:32:09 GMT -5
Post by MisterAnderson on May 24, 2004 19:32:09 GMT -5
Gotta love Penny Arcades take on Troy as well: ;D
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May 25, 2004 6:31:34 GMT -5
Post by MAX on May 25, 2004 6:31:34 GMT -5
Lol! Gotta love it Mr. A. Oh btw ClericTrinity, that link isn't entirely correct. Here it is: troymovie.warnerbros.com. Also, many people will have already seen it, numerous times.
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May 25, 2004 16:44:20 GMT -5
Post by JenGe on May 25, 2004 16:44:20 GMT -5
Gotta love Penny Arcades take on Troy as well: ;D Ok, that one was really a good one!!
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May 26, 2004 1:28:05 GMT -5
Post by MAX on May 26, 2004 1:28:05 GMT -5
Why does Achilles have pointy ears?
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May 30, 2004 6:31:42 GMT -5
Post by ClericTrinity on May 30, 2004 6:31:42 GMT -5
MAX...hm...mayby he is elf?
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Jun 11, 2004 10:24:51 GMT -5
Post by Deimos on Jun 11, 2004 10:24:51 GMT -5
**SPOILERS**
Well, only just saw this last night and I thought it was alright. Obviously, as previously mentioned the story has been twisted quite a lot - removing the gods, goddesses etc, less sacrificing of children by Achilles (he's the hero so he can't do anything evil) and changing when characters die.
Granted, the death of Menalaus was fitting, but Achilles taking part in the Wooden Horse fiasco didn't seem to fit well to me. I would have liked to seen Agamemnon survive as well - the good guys don't always win! - simply because it would be more historically likely IMO. At first I was annoyed at them killing off Ajax so early, but then after the fourth virtually identical 'funeral pyre' sequence I was glad that there wouldn't be another one for Ajax. His hammer was very cool though.
Acting varied quite a bit. Highlights were obviously Sean Bean as Odysseus (always my favourite character because of his wit and 'tricks'), Brian Cox as Agamemnon (delightfully detestable) and Peter O'Toole as Priam (wonderful acting in the scene between him and Achilles). Brad Pitt pulled off the petulant, childlike character of Achilles quite well, although his acting wasn't brilliant and there were too many one-liners (although that's the scriptwriter's fault). Orlando Bloom was as wooden as ever, but I suppose that it makes his character even more unlikeable which, of course, is the point. Eric Bana as Hector was ace too.
Highlights were the Achilles/Hector fight (the way it was clear from the start that Hector was outmatched) and the early fight scenes (especially when the Myrmidons use their interlocking shields!)
Lowpoints were the 'bedside' scenes (gratuitous nudity from Brad may please the ladies but I'm not a fan) and the Paris/Achilles fight scene. Am I the only one who thinks that this should have been more dramatic. And shouldn't Paris have been *really* angry with Achilles for killing his brother? Consumed with rage, that kind of thing? Hmph.
I missed Cassandra and Neoptolemos but I suppose they can't include all the characters from the poem as that would make it too complicated by far. Still, some pyschotic antics from the latter would have been nice.
There were parts as well where you could see how the legend would have built up, which I thought was a nice touch. Like Achilles pulling out all of the arrows except the one in his heel so that when he's dead it looks like that arrow killed him. And Aenius as well - I almost burst out laughing when he was introduced at the end (he went on to found Rome in the 'Anaeid' - sp? - ) to suggest that the Romans were descended from the Trojans.
Good film all in all, the special effects were breathtaking. It looked like they'd used more extras than CGI soldiers at some points, which not only adds to the realism but also harks back to the glory days of epic films like Spartacus. Brilliant stuff! Well worth seeing at the cinema, especially if you're a fan of that period of history. The changes to the story work out pretty well, and though the love story seems tacked on, it's what you expect from all films these days.
Deimos
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Mar 24, 2011 1:26:21 GMT -5
Post by Lightfighter on Mar 24, 2011 1:26:21 GMT -5
A solid take on an ancient classic. Naturally, when you have someone rewrite a particular story, you will have the influence of the new writer. The new guy will change a few things, for various reasons. To the new writer, they will make more sense or will make the script shorter in order to save some money on the budget. But the fact of the matter is, you will always be forced to compare the new product with the original. A lot of literary professors and well-read intellectuals will have a lot to say about how Homer crushed the screen writer. About how the screen writer failed to take everything Homer said into account. But like I said, you will always be forced into a comparison with the new and the old.
That being said, this movie is great. I just recently watched the director's cut edition and that was even better. More action, more character interaction, more of everything. In all, great stuff.
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Jan 1, 2012 10:43:13 GMT -5
Post by Aedh on Jan 1, 2012 10:43:13 GMT -5
We just watched this ... finally ... last night, in the company of the kid, who is here for the holidays and is a classics fan. I thought it was a very good effort overall, but felt somewhat let down by the "alternate" treatments involving Achilles, Helen, and Paris. We saw the extendo-version, (3 hrs plus) and I am told by others who saw the original cut (viz., Mira) that--as with some other Orlando Bloom movies such as "Kingdom of Heaven"--the longer version is to be preferred. In fact, I think I will start a separate thread on this.
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Jan 1, 2012 10:47:56 GMT -5
Post by invisiblescientist on Jan 1, 2012 10:47:56 GMT -5
We just watched this ... finally ... last night, in the company of the kid, who is here for the holidays and is a classics fan. I thought it was a very good effort overall, but felt somewhat let down by the "alternate" treatments involving Achilles, Helen, and Paris. We saw the extendo-version, (3 hrs plus) and I am told by others who saw the original cut (viz., Mira) that--as with some other Orlando Bloom movies such as "Kingdom of Heaven"--the longer version is to be preferred. In fact, I think I will start a separate thread on this. The Troy movie was great: especially the new interpretation of Achilles' heel.
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Jan 6, 2012 8:42:07 GMT -5
Post by clericjay on Jan 6, 2012 8:42:07 GMT -5
We just watched this ... finally ... last night, in the company of the kid, who is here for the holidays and is a classics fan. I thought it was a very good effort overall, but felt somewhat let down by the "alternate" treatments involving Achilles, Helen, and Paris. We saw the extendo-version, (3 hrs plus) and I am told by others who saw the original cut (viz., Mira) that--as with some other Orlando Bloom movies such as "Kingdom of Heaven"--the longer version is to be preferred. In fact, I think I will start a separate thread on this. The Troy movie was great: especially the new interpretation of Achilles' heel. Absolutely! ;D
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