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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 28, 2005 1:21:44 GMT -5
Arnis-GunKata, a martial art created by me, Im an advanced Arnis martial artist and im very skillfull with one of the original Arnis weapons "the balisong" (the butterfly knife). I studied this martial art with 2 balisong's and since Arnis resembles GunKata ive decided to learn GunKata as my next martial art, although GunKata is a fictional martial art, ppl like yourselves are creating theyre own types of GunKata. When i made this decision to start GunKata Ive mixed Arnis in it and created Arnis-GunKata...
Ive created a website of Arnis-GunKata with a training's page which have links that would redirect you to the fighting styles, techniques, tips, and tricks needed in Arnis and GunKata
Contact me if you want a link to the website
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Post by skippythegator on Apr 28, 2005 1:36:04 GMT -5
By all means, please post the link here. Welcome to the boards  which school of arnis do you follow? |
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Post by JenGe on Apr 28, 2005 10:26:10 GMT -5
Yes, by all means post a link here. It's always intersting to see what people are doing.
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 28, 2005 17:06:16 GMT -5
By all means, please post the link here. Welcome to the boards which school of arnis do you follow? SINCE YOU ASKED AIGHT HERE IT IS arnisgunkata.tophonors.comand i studied arnis here in east los angeles in a boxing gym where Oscar De La Hoya trained, Jeff Imada (balisong master in arnis, kali, escrima) was teaching here for three weeks promoting his two books The Balisong Manual and The Advanced Balisong Manual. But after Jeff Imada left I never went back again I just bought both of his books and studied my ass off till I got it rite... now i teach Arnis to my cousin, he gave me the idea of puttin GunKata wit Arnis... |
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Post by skippythegator on Apr 28, 2005 21:52:37 GMT -5
Interesting site.
I have a question though, why does your site look like it's based on (or supplementing) some kind of role-playing game? There are numeroius references to skills and maneuvers. What system is that?
I find your references to "fast draw" interesting because although I've never studied the balisong art myself, my father did teach me one fast draw technique, though I haven't practiced in years (misplaced all my balisongs at one time or another).
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 28, 2005 22:11:48 GMT -5
Interesting site. I have a question though, why does your site look like it's based on (or supplementing) some kind of role-playing game? There are numeroius references to skills and maneuvers. What system is that? nah theres nuthin of it thats based on a role playin game its jus to show ur skill level if ur AGK is practiced right |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 29, 2005 22:16:47 GMT -5
Hey,
all good, but I gotta say there's a lot of cut and paste going on at your site, including a LOT of fantasy role-playing stuff and some material from my Gun Sau site and forum. I guess that's OK but I would like to know if you have actually developed anything of your own. Is Arnis-Gunkata an actual style (as in something that you practice) or is it more of an idea?
By the way, I'm OK with you using some of my Gun Sau stuff but you need to understand that GS is a game (not a martial art) and the GS rules you've listed as Arnis-GunKata rules are designed for playing a safe sport version of the type of action seen in the last EQ fight scene. PLEASE don't confuse this with any kind of real self defense training! Also those rules would not apply at longer range (out of arm's reach) distance and you should probably make that clear on your site.
GunFu
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Post by skippythegator on Apr 30, 2005 8:43:26 GMT -5
HTSMVKNIFE,
On your site - I knew the pic of the bare-chested guy with the gun and knife looked familiar....that's from the gunkatta.com site that I first saw a few years ago. Those pics were all made by bboyneko in Poser, I believe.
I've looked over your site again and I see a reference to GURPS - I think I skipped that area before. Guess that answers my question.
edit: just out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be Filipino, would you?
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 13:24:34 GMT -5
GunFu,
yea we do have a martial arts called Arnis-GunKata im jus tryin to finish the pdf so i could post it on the site and you people out there could start practicin it, but in my trainings page wit all those other links theyre jus extra tactics u could mayb use while training...
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 13:26:39 GMT -5
HTSMVKNIFE, edit: just out of curiosity, you wouldn't happen to be Filipino, would you? I, skippy, Yes I am filipino thats why I studied Arnis jus like my dad |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 30, 2005 17:22:51 GMT -5
If Arnis-Gunkata is supposed to be a real style and if you want to be taken seriously you should probably remove all the text "borrowed" from role-playing games, it sends the wrong message .
Also you should not just cut and paste other people's work and re-name it "Arnis-Gunkata". Almost all of your text is taken directly from the GunKatta.com site and other sites but you have not given them credit.
I just had a look at your PDF and all the kata are just regular karate kata (Pinan, Sanchin etc.) with "left Arnis-Gunkata position" and "right Arnis-Gunkata position" inserted instead of some of the original Japanese stance names etc. Quite a lot of these techniques don't even make sense if you have a gun in one hand!
Seriously man, if you're going to set up your own style let's see some original thought!!
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 17:54:52 GMT -5
GunFu,
thanks for pointing that out, but yea ive taken out sum parts out of the site, and I am gonna give credit to the work i got from other sites im gonna put theyre site in the links page so foos know where i got sum of the work...
Like your Gun Sau, u say its not martial arts but it looks and sound accurate you should actually make it into a martial arts cuz that shit is tight
so really my site is still updating taken out shit we dont need and puttin shit in that we do need.
THE LATEST UPDATE I PUT ON THE SITE IS THE ARNIS-GUNKATA MANUAL IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY MY GRANDFATHER TO TEACH KATA (HES A KATA EXPERT, WAS...REST IN PEACE) BUT I REWROTE IT INTO AN ARNIS-GUNAKTA MANUAL, ITS LOCATED IN THE TRAINING PAGE ITS THE FIRST LINK THERE. IF YOU GET CONFUSED OR DONT HAVE ANY IDEA WUT I WROTE JUS CONTACT ME AND ILL SET IT STRAIGHT...
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 18:05:46 GMT -5
I just had a look at your PDF and all the kata are just regular karate kata (Pinan, Sanchin etc.) with "left Arnis-Gunkata position" and "right Arnis-Gunkata position" inserted instead of some of the original Japanese stance names etc. Quite a lot of these techniques don't even make sense if you have a gun in one hand! TRU TRU, JUS USE IMAGERY WHENEVER IT SAYS LIKE TURN 180 DEGREES INTO RIGHT ARNIS-GUNKATA POSITION, JUS TURN 180 INTO A FIGHTING STANCE DOESNT MATTER WHERE THE KNIFE AND GUN SHOULD BE, IT COULD BE ON YOUR LEFT HAND IN THE ICE PICK POSITION OR THE HATCHET POSITION AND THE GUN ON YOUR RIGHT HAND OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND... ALSO WHENEVER IT SAYS ARNIS-GUNKATA POSITION IT COULD EITHER BE AN ARNIS FIGHTING POSITION OR A GUNKATA FIGHTING POSITION LIKE IN EQUILIBRIUM... |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 30, 2005 18:13:59 GMT -5
GunFu, Like your Gun Sau, u say its not martial arts but it looks and sound accurate you should actually make it into a martial arts cuz that shit is tight so really my site is still updating taken out shit we dont need and puttin shit in that we do need. THE LATEST UPDATE I PUT ON THE SITE IS THE ARNIS-GUNKATA MANUAL IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN BY MY GRANDFATHER TO TEACH KATA (HES A KATA EXPERT, WAS...REST IN PEACE) BUT I REWROTE IT INTO AN ARNIS-GUNAKTA MANUAL, ITS LOCATED IN THE TRAINING PAGE ITS THE FIRST LINK THERE. IF YOU GET CONFUSED OR DONT HAVE ANY IDEA WUT I WROTE JUS CONTACT ME AND ILL SET IT STRAIGHT... Good to hear that you will rework the site, but I'm not confused about the kata. I have practiced most of them in Shotokan karate. Thanks for the compliment but Gun Sau will never be a martial art, it's completely unrealistic. If two people were really fighting with handguns at trapping range they would probably both be dead in a few seconds! Try playing a round of Gun Sau using pump-action water guns without the rules about keeping the arm extended, etc. and you'll see what I mean. The rules are there to keep the GAME fun and challenging and looking like the last EQ fight scene. GunFu |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 30, 2005 18:20:16 GMT -5
TRU TRU, JUS USE IMAGERY WHENEVER IT SAYS LIKE TURN 180 DEGREES INTO RIGHT ARNIS-GUNKATA POSITION, JUS TURN 180 INTO A FIGHTING STANCE DOESNT MATTER WHERE THE KNIFE AND GUN SHOULD BE, IT COULD BE ON YOUR LEFT HAND IN THE ICE PICK POSITION OR THE HATCHET POSITION AND THE GUN ON YOUR RIGHT HAND OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND... ALSO WHENEVER IT SAYS ARNIS-GUNKATA POSITION IT COULD EITHER BE AN ARNIS FIGHTING POSITION OR A GUNKATA FIGHTING POSITION LIKE IN EQUILIBRIUM... Yeah i see what you mean, use the karate kata as the basis for co-ordination and footwork patterns and then make up your own moves. That makes a bit more sense but you really need some more info in there especially for people who haven't practiced Arnis or karate (examples of fighting positions, etc.) GunFu |
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 18:45:52 GMT -5
Yeah i see what you mean, use the karate kata as the basis for co-ordination and footwork patterns and then make up your own moves. That makes a bit more sense but you really need some more info in there especially for people who haven't practiced Arnis or karate (examples of fighting positions, etc.) YEA I NO AS SOON AS I FIX THIS BUG IN MY PDF EDITOR ILL ADD PICTURES SO PPL COULD GET THIS SHIT... THATS KRAZY THAT U LEARNED SHOTOKAN KARATE I WANTED TO LEARN THAT 2 BUT NO MONEY SO INSTEAD MY DAD TAUGHT ARNIS TO ME... UR GUN SAU COULD BE DONE IN A REAL GUN FIGHT BUT IN ORDER TO COME OUT VICTORIUS U MAINLY NEED SPEED/AGILITY AND STRENGTH... ARNIS RESEMBLES GUNKATA IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WITH A GUN YOU CANT DODGE A BULLET AND THERE GOES YOUR LIFE AT LEAST IN ARNIS U COULD HAVE A KRAZY ASS KNIFE BATTLE... FOR EXAMPLE ME AND MY CUZ WE BOTH TRAINED IN ARNIS OUR FAVORITE WEAPON IS THE BALISONG WERE VERY GOOD AT IT, WE HAD A LIL KNIFE FIGHT IN HIS BACKYARD EACH OF US HAD 2 BALISONGS AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES I STRIKED AT HIM HE HAD SUM WAY OF BLOCKING OR DODGIN MY ATTACK BUT WHEN HE STRIKES AT ME THE ONLY TYPE OF DEFENSE I HAVE IS BLOCKING, I COULD DODGE BUT MY CUZIN HAD A MEAN BACK UP PLAN WHENEVER I DODGE HIS STRIKES SO THATS WHY I BLOCK SO AT LEAST THAT WAY WHEN HIS ATTACKS HAVE BEEN BLOCKED IT GIVES ME AN OPPURTUNITY TO GIVE HIM A HARD PUNCH IN THE FACE OR A MID KICK TO HIS STOMACH, OF COURSE THE BASTARD WON CUZ HES MORE AGILE AND GOT ME WIT A KNIFE TO THE THROAT. |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 30, 2005 19:04:21 GMT -5
Nah man, trust me on this, I can't count the number of Gun Sau matches we've had over the past five months or so and without the rules we would be DEAD. Put it this way as long as you're using laser guns or water guns and follow the rules it's a fun game but there are no rules on the street and bullets are no joke.
There are plenty of real-life extreme close quarters pistol fighting experts out there and some of them have videos out, etc. - it doesn't look anything like Gun Sau or EQ.
By the way I think you should change your signature man it's pretty offensive and could get you booted off this site.
GunFu
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 19:39:15 GMT -5
YA DAM SKIPPY THERES NO RULES ON THE STREETS AND BULLETS IS NO FUCKIN JOKE I NO CUZ IM A GREENLIGHT GANGSTER I HAVE ENEMIES AROUND ME THATS WHY 2 YEARS AGO I STARTED THIS ARNIS SHIT... AND WITH MY GUN RIGHT BY MY SIDE IM PREPARED FOR ANYTHING THATS Y GUNKATA IS A GOOD CONCEPTS "IF U WANNA KNOW WUT HOOD IM FROM THE LINK SHOULD BE WHERE MY SIGNATURE IS AT ON THE BOTTOM IF NOT HERE hightimesmaravilla.tophonors.com " |
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Post by GunFu on Apr 30, 2005 20:45:23 GMT -5
All good again, but as the guy who invented Gun Sau I'm still advising you not to waste your time with it if you are interested in real self defense. Try a Google search for "close quarters handgun" etc. there's a lot of good info. out there.
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on Apr 30, 2005 20:52:26 GMT -5
THNXS MAN THATS HELPFULL... DONT TRIP ABOUT THE GUN SAU ID STILL LIKE TO TRY IT WIT MY COUSIN SEE IF WE COULD MIX IT IN OUR ARNIS-GUNKATA TRAINING
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Post by skippythegator on Apr 30, 2005 22:50:05 GMT -5
Gang_knifer,
Hindi nga, seryoso ka ba? Akala ko sabi mo nag aral ka ng arnis kina Guro Jeff Imada, tapos ngayon sabi mo tinuruan ka ng tatay mo?
Tinagalog ko lang ito para hindi masyadong kaduda-duda, kaysa kung Iningles ko at mabasa ng lahat.
At any rate, mayroon ding mga ibang pinoy dito sa forum na ito. Maaaring magkausap pa kayo sa susunod.
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on May 1, 2005 0:53:34 GMT -5
WHOA I, SKIPPY, U LOST ME THERE WIT THAT TAGALOG, I CANT SPEAK IT OR READ IT I JUS UNDERSTAND JUS A LIL BIT ALL I UNDERSTOOD WAS SUMTHIN ABOUT MY DAD TEACHIN ARNIS OR SUM SHIT LIKE THAT... NAH MAN IM A DESCENT I WISH I COULD SPEAK TAGALOG  |
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Post by MisterAnderson on May 1, 2005 2:15:12 GMT -5
You might wanna try typing your posts without the ALL CAPS button on too while you are at it...  There have been people removed for that as well. |
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Post by GunFu on May 1, 2005 13:26:21 GMT -5
Just to clarify he did change his sig, the one he's using now isn't too bad ...
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Post by HTSMV_GANG_KNIFER on May 2, 2005 0:18:00 GMT -5
Just to clarify he did change his sig, the one he's using now isn't too bad ... GunFu ???WHO |
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Post by skippythegator on May 2, 2005 1:09:41 GMT -5
ok I'll send you a private message...
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Post by GunFu on May 3, 2005 3:39:28 GMT -5
I was talking about your previous sig - something about "if the b----h don't give it to you then take it." |
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Post by kengou on May 18, 2005 19:37:58 GMT -5
I looked at your site and pdf... I'm not impressed. First of all,
"Im an advanced Arnis martial artist and im very skillfull with one of the original Arnis weapons "the balisong" (the butterfly knife). I studied this martial art with 2 balisong's and since Arnis resembles GunKata ive decided to learn GunKata as my next martial art, although GunKata is a fictional martial art, ppl like yourselves are creating theyre own types of GunKata. When i made this decision to start GunKata Ive mixed Arnis in it and created Arnis-GunKata..."
You say you're an "advanced martial artist" and very skillful with a balisong? I don't have Fillipino martial arts experience, but in just about every other martial art experience I've had, you can never become too "advanced" or "skillful" by three weeks of learning followed by practicing from a book, no matter how hard you work. Nothing is a proper substitute for a proper instructor constantly teaching you concepts and correcting youur form and techniques.
Next, is this anything other than karate kata with the word "arnis-gunkata" substituted for every japanese word? And you say the arm position doesn't matter... I find this to be implausible if you intend these kata to be in any way effective as a training tool. And, I have to agree with GunFu, a lot of the stuff you have is intended for sport of for fun only. The best "gun-kata" we can chieve right now is already found in SWAT and military training, and some random guy who studied arnis for 3 weeks won't "create" any new style of fighting.
Aside from this, I'd say keep experimenting and working on stuff. Just don't claim you are an advanced martial artist and that you have created a martial art when you clearly have not.
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which school of arnis do you follow?
