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Post by TrustKill on Jul 6, 2004 15:05:15 GMT -5
this was a personal debate during the gun kata development days of old...
-which handgun do you think would make the best real-applied cleric situation?
-try to keep it practical/tactical here. i dont want to read posts about laser guns or guns that fire shotgun shells or any of that (as entertaining as it may be). for lack of a better, less cliche` term, "keep it real".
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Post by Jericho on Jul 20, 2004 11:52:48 GMT -5
I'm an airsofter and I think the best gun for the situation would be the guns I've got: 2 Glock 26cs. It's the smallest and lightest full-automatic Glock available. I've been using them for a year now in games and they've proved their effeciency repeatedly in CQB and room clearance situations. Considerably less weighty than my new auto Cleric pistol they're also much easier to conceal and holster.
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Post by fusion on Aug 9, 2004 12:13:01 GMT -5
Hmmm. Maybe dual Colt defenders?
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Post by taneth01 on Aug 9, 2004 22:07:40 GMT -5
the cleric gun is a beretta 93R with a modded barrel. this is the same gun that robocop used, and nicholas cage in faceoff. you could get one and if you have patience. you could probably make a mold maybe out of wood, or what not.
but out of the box i would say maybe a western arms Beretta M92FS. it goes for about 225 USD. but its has the extended barrel, but its only semi. you could then work your magic, and try to morph the barrel to be a true cleric.
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Post by TrustKill on Aug 10, 2004 15:37:58 GMT -5
cast the movie aside for a few seconds... -the only applicable answer i have seen is Fusion's response about the dual colt defenders, and i even think that is a little steep. mainly because of extensive recoil, but if you are strong enough, who cares? congratulations to fusion for being the only person to contribute to the thread correctly. you win some kind of special award or something. -Glock 26c's do not exist in the real world, at least in the form you are thinking of them. the only full auto capable glock is the 18c, which is a full sized weapon. had you said two glock 18c's, you would be winning the special award along with fusion up there... -for the last time... the cleric gun is NOT a beretta 93R with a modded barrel. the 93R has a much wider profile than the standard beretta M9 variant. on top of that, the ejection port of the slid is squared and flat on top instead of molded and rounded off as the cleric's weapon is, and there is no slide mounted safety/decocker switch on the 93R as there is on the Cleric's beretta. finally, just to add insult to injury, nicolas cage doesnt use a beretta 93R in face off, he uses two gold plated colt 1911's with custom grip work. john travolta, also starring in face off, uses a 93R in Broken Arrow. you cannot purchase a Beretta 93R on the civilian market unless it is stolen and even then your chances are rediculously slim because most of them have been decommissioned and destroyed due to the introduction of HK PDW weapon systems back in the late 90's which made them sort of obsolete. -now... to respond to my own thread... ive looked really hard at finding a pistol that could be used in real world applicable situations that a cleric would be in and i think i have it pretty much narrowed down. -in my opinion, the FN Five-SeveN Pistol would probably make the best side-arm in real life.  this gun is light, 1.64 lbs (loaded weight), has a high capacity (20 + 1 chambered standard magazine cap), has low recoil (roughly equal to a .25 cal round), has tremendous bullet velocity (will perforate any individual combat armor used by any military force today). it fires the 5.7 x 28mm ball round which is similar to the 5.56mm rounds used in modern M-4's and M-16's only smaller and necked down. -the only downsides to using this pistol are: 1) a lack of stopping power. the rounds are designed to pierce, thus most of the force is transferred through the body instead of into the surrounding tissues. this is a rather small price to pay though considering the close range that most of the encounters would be at. 2) no full auto capability that i know of. due to the Five-SeveN being a fairly new weapon, there are very little aftermarket parts for them outside of LEO (law enforcement only) manufacturers. however, i do not think it is impossible to make this weapon automatic. most likely it would just require a drop in device similar to what you can purchase for a glock or beretta pistol and possibly some internal reinforcement for the extra pressures. the 5.7mm rounds are fully capable of reliable full auto functioning as shown due to their use in the FN P90 Submachine Gun.  |
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Post by fusion on Aug 10, 2004 16:38:08 GMT -5
Hehehe. A virtual coke for me ;D
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Post by TrustKill on Aug 10, 2004 16:43:08 GMT -5
thats right... three cheers for not being a retard...
-yeah, im a big asshole.
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Post by Enameon on Aug 24, 2004 16:02:30 GMT -5
Hey, this thread interested me quite a lot, anyway I thought of the russain OTs-33 "Pernach" was a good real life alternative, it is a fairly new weapon and is only in limited use.
Pros
-Its full auto, no need to change it.
-An 18 round clip with optional 27 rounds gives it enough ammo
-It's wieght reduces recoil to a certain degree
-The long barrel gives it the cleric style
Cons
-At 1.15kilos (unloaded) it is quite heavy.
-It doesn't have much stopping power, but then like Trustkill said being close to the target helps along with hitting each target with a couple of rounds increases the chance of penetration through any armour.
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Post by TrustKill on Aug 24, 2004 16:53:23 GMT -5
 -hallelujiah! actually, i had never heard of this gun until you just mentioned it. checked it out on a website. its got the cleric look, the autofire, decent capacity, and it uses 9mm makarov ammo which, if memory serves, has one of the better armor penetration rates of other production ammos out there. -nice job. i hope you stick around to talk shop w/ me some. |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Aug 31, 2004 13:43:56 GMT -5
I delurk to say: This is a badass piece of kit, looks very nice and as Trust says - got the Cleric look. I'll make some notes into my EQuniverse setting about a modified version of this weapon, it fits the profile nicely, thanks  |
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Post by TrustKill on Aug 31, 2004 14:38:49 GMT -5
here is one that i saw a few months ago on the cover of a magazine and i have been interested in finding out info since i saw it.... unfortunately, its quite an elusive piece (not to mention expensive). The Craig LTD M11 Merc...  its a gas-operated 9mm with badass stylings as you can see. front muzzle weight and ported compensator. grip safety and minimalized features make it futuristic looking as well as packing a 9mm parabellum wallop with controllable gas-operated recoil. its a beaut. |
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Post by fusion on Aug 31, 2004 19:56:28 GMT -5
Nasty!
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 1, 2004 3:22:59 GMT -5
Now that's also a nice gun Trust.
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Post by Tekram on Sept 1, 2004 12:57:25 GMT -5
Nice lookin I found quite a lot of info on it, from what Ive read it seems amazing!
The grip operated safety is not what I'd want, but it is a custom so you could have a regular safety.
The info is on americanhandgunner.com
BTW im the guy who suggested the Pernach, I just signed up.
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Post by TrustKill on Sept 3, 2004 10:51:38 GMT -5
its been impossible for me to find any information on that gun outside of the website you mentioned. all the other inquiries just bring up either Ingram MAC-11 info or info on some kind of cyberpunk mercenary RPG. not what i am looking for....
-welcome to the forum. i really only frequent the gun kata sections nowadays, dispelling people's stupid ideas and what not. either way, i like to think this is the cooler side of the EQ forums, hehehehe.
(just kidding)
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 3, 2004 11:30:09 GMT -5
Welcome Tekram, nice one re: Pernach.
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Post by Tekram on Sept 4, 2004 11:55:27 GMT -5
Thanks guys
EQ tempted me to find out a lot about the guns I hadn't seen before. Did you guys ever play a game on the old N64 it was a Bond game based on Goldeneye, in that game there were a lot of the guns seen in EQ the FN P90 was one I instantly remembered, I think you see guards with them when preston is on his way to (supposedly) meet father, or when are they saerching his house. I've got to see it again.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 6, 2004 5:17:45 GMT -5
You mean the legendary N64 game: Goldeneye itself? Which is probably to this day, still one of the best FPS out there.
I loved that game *grin*
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Post by murray on Sept 6, 2004 15:29:33 GMT -5
goldeneye kicks ass!
i love that game
and perfect dark. thats fun too. as are most n64 games
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Post by TrustKill on Sept 7, 2004 10:30:26 GMT -5
there is one in goldeneye called the RCP-90... a bit rediculous w/ an 80 rnd payout per magazine, but who cares?! that gun owns all in that game.
there is also one in perfect dark called the RCP-120... it has an even HUGER magazine but basically the same stats w/ Rare paying homage to the original weapon. my favorite PD weapon is still the CMP-150 or the Magsec-4 (even though i wish the little bastards had larger ammo capacity).
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Post by Tekram on Sept 7, 2004 16:48:20 GMT -5
They were some cool games and cool guns, I first got interested in firearms after playing those games!
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Post by Gun on Sept 21, 2004 20:51:15 GMT -5
this is the true Equilibrium Gun:  |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 22, 2004 6:10:22 GMT -5
We know, the purpose of this thread is not to debate which gun is the basis for the EQ Cleric Pistol, but to discuss various guns which could fill that role.
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Post by TrustKill on Sept 27, 2004 18:48:04 GMT -5
geez... i leave for a couple of weeks and the morons burst forth uncontained again....
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Post by LordLizardMan on Dec 1, 2004 12:35:04 GMT -5
a realistic cleric pistol would probably shoot somekind of special .22 caliber round, perhaps slightly larger ... I mean for some of the fight scenes the "gun" notably had like 50 rounds in the clip... This isn't terrible because part of the kata used went back to the same area twice, so if you are trying to choose a gun that would be realistic to do what they did in the movie thats a good idea. I also recommended a Glock 3 round burst on another thread however that is only for guns currently in existance. The M93R would be a better choice than the Glock because its heavier, thus easier to control (this would me my choice, but it is a dangerous gun to use for CQB situations). if you look at the movie he is never effected by recoil at all.. completely unrealistic. of course since you are not aiming, and in some cases not even looking where you are shooting probablity wise it probably as long as the recoil was controlled to a 5ft circular area to the general location you want to shoot at about 10 feet. So this would make the perfect gun for a cleric dependent on the cleric's preference themselves, kind of like having a katana specially made for you.
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Post by TrustKill on Jan 12, 2005 5:20:35 GMT -5
im bringing this one back... just read an article a couple days ago on hkpro about their newest pistol called the UCP. it follows in the footsteps of the Five-SeveN but with hk's new high velocity round in 4.6mm instead of 5.7. outside of that, i just like the hk lines style better than the Five-SeveN. its got a more conventional feel.  |
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