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Post by Preacher on Mar 10, 2004 9:06:06 GMT -5
Heres my theory anyway the cleric treat the gun as an extrention of the body right?
well if you put your hand into the shape of a gun *just like you did when you played cowboys and indions ladies and gents* then you will notice your middle digit is longer on the bottom then the top of your finger 'barrel' thus as an extention of the body the bottom of the cleric 'gun' is extended.
any thoughts good bad or otherwise?
stupid thread i know but i thougth it was funny!! ;D
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 10, 2004 9:44:47 GMT -5
not really a stupid thread... actually, its one of the first threads i have seen get started in the G-K forum that actually has something important to say. something new to say...
-most of the other people who have never been here before just post to show their stuff and they talk about shit that everyone already knows. suppose i should thank you for actually bringing up something new.
-anyway... i never thought about the direct connection between the shape of your hand and the design of the compensator before, but now that you mention it, that really makes sense. i mean... you can control your hand like, well... like its a part of your body. why not emulate the same shape and ergonomics of something that you already know (like the back of your hand... har har). good point.
-Trusty-
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Post by rohan on Mar 10, 2004 10:02:47 GMT -5
I agree with ya' Trustkill. Anyways Im thinking perhaps the pointed shape is for offensive purposes, kinda like an integrated bayonet or sumthin'. ;D Well thats just my 2cents.  |
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Post by Preacher on Mar 10, 2004 10:10:11 GMT -5
hmmm a bayonet sounds fun I think preston stabs father to stun him in the last part of the fight, but for a melee attack Preston has the pronged mags which he bludgends the sweeper team with.
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Post by akumabito on Mar 11, 2004 15:42:13 GMT -5
My idea's more technical I think.. there's a couple of things that popped to mind when I saw the compensator:
First, it being a normal compensator like on match guns, to increase accuracy. (if I'm not mistaken, a barrel weight increases accuracy by reducing vibrations from the hand)
Then, I thought about the compensator being used to cool the barrel after a full auto shooting spree. Note that there's some kind of slot in the compensator, under the barrel that could play a role in this.
Then finally, some time ago I read an article about the AKM, the modernized version of the AK47 assault rifle. The AKM has a flash hider that roughly resembles the shape of the cleric handgun. On the AKM, the flash hider also functions as a compensator, to compensate for the upwards movement of the gun as a result of the recoil.
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 11, 2004 16:20:13 GMT -5
yeah... i was gonna say.
-the compensators used on the cleric berettas are simple barrel weights to reduce the muzzle lift and recoil. they do have ported compensators which vent the excess propellant gases off, usually up to also help reduce muzzle lift (sort of like little rocket boosters). as far as i can see, the cleric guns dont have porting, but i suppose there could be some sort of internal muzzle brake. there sure as hell is enough room for one, or maybe the compensator is actually some sort of high-tech flash and recoil suppression (think semi-silencer) that chambers the spent gases and recirculates their pressure in some manner that would help control the gun's firing patterns.
-there are tons of possibilities, but i am leaning more towards the barrel weight option since it is most feasible and cost effective.
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Post by Rymel on Mar 16, 2004 2:55:26 GMT -5
you're making me reconsider gunsmithing school again trust...;D that is a good observation though preacher, but i'm gonna have to lean over to the majority argument. maybe that was a subconscious decision in design though  speaking of compensators (again)...i considered the porting to face down at 2 45 degree angles, since down's the only real direction that never faces the cleric in any way...but that would force the barrel up, defeating the purpose of porting the weapon (or does it? recoil kata theory here). it's probably just a plain old barrel weight though. trust, what are those things you mention? |
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 16, 2004 9:46:01 GMT -5
what things? the porting? or the suppressors?
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Post by Rymel on Mar 16, 2004 13:49:59 GMT -5
the muzzle brake and everything after it o.0
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 16, 2004 21:51:50 GMT -5
i know i already explained this to you on AIM, but ill do it again for anyone else who wants to know since i have some time...
-muzzle brakes are fitted onto the ends of firearms (usually rifles but sometimes handguns) and are basically there to disperse the muzzle flare so you dont have a 3 ft long flame coming from the end of your rifle. it is the thing that makes the neat star pattern on M-16 rifles and what would (theoretically) make the grammaton symbol in the clerics pistols. pretty self-explanatory...
-as for the suppressor idea... that is sort of a stretch. some suppressors (silencers) actually have a recoil dampening effect either as a side effect from their sound reducing/muzzle flash reducing abilities that people use them for, or through the use of built in recoil dampeners that shorten the stroke of the slide itself, sometimes by refiltering the expanding gases back to add pressure that reduces muzzle lift. both of these suppression techniques reduce bullet range and accuracy quite a bit so they probably wouldnt be used but its still a thought.
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Post by TheMacroprosopus on Mar 16, 2004 22:03:33 GMT -5
it is the thing that makes the neat star pattern on M-16 rifles and what would (theoretically) make the grammaton symbol in the clerics pistols. pretty self-explanatory... I saw this in the recent posts thing, and figured that it would be a good place to ask... Speaking of the shape of the flame on the grammaton guns, would the little upside down "T" thing on the front of the gun have anything to do with it? Does it have any use at all? |
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 16, 2004 22:14:47 GMT -5
i dont think in the movie it has any sort of practical usage and is just for looks, but it could be used as a compensator port in a real weapon if you wanted to make it one. it would be effective and not to mention cool-as-hell lookin'
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Post by TheMacroprosopus on Mar 16, 2004 23:38:26 GMT -5
Ha, yeah, it would look really cool.
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Post by trench on Mar 18, 2004 18:10:45 GMT -5
Considering that a Cleric uses his guns as both projectile and melee weapons, I always felt the projection was designed to complement each of these uses.
When firing bullets, as I think most agree, it's most likely a weighted compensator.
When using the pistol as a melee weapon and holding the gun by the barrel to strike with the grips, the projection serves a two-fold purpose: it thickens the barrel area making it easier to hold in the gun by the barrel, while providing an additional means of attack, as the Cleric can deliver some serious damage to his opponent by slamming his closed fist straight down. I could see the projection splitting a skull open rather easily when used this way.
Also, when Preston was fighting DuPont at the end of the film, they were both clashing their pistols together rather frequently, I think the projection also serves a purpose related to parrying blows when the Cleric is doing hand-to-hand GunKata.
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Post by blase on Mar 18, 2004 18:23:19 GMT -5
I'm no gunsmith, but I know this for sure: If it was supposed to be some sort of flash suppression, it's one hell of a failure :-).
That's very good, 'cause I love the gun flames in EQ ;D
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