|
Post by ClericRyan on Jul 24, 2003 13:59:27 GMT -5
" Ever try to fire a Desert Eagle on full auto? Unless you're the Hulk I think you're gonna lose the gun after the third round. "
yeah I would imagine that would just about brake your arm/wrist. I only got a chance to shoot a DE one time, and it was on semi auto, after 4 shots my hand was numb
|
|
|
Post by mung on Jul 25, 2003 1:14:55 GMT -5
I gotta say, I'm almost positive that the scene in which the fire selection switch was featured....i swear they grabbed that thing off of an M4, as it looks EXACTLY like it. I loved the movie, and the fights, but I was especially impressed with the fact that most of the time, the Cleric's gun doesn't ever fire (a blank). It seems to be added in digitally, and is truly not hard. If you are a competent Photoshop artist, you can "add" your own muzzle flashes, and I have done so many times. My guess it that this was done: A) Due to cost constraints- as many times I've heard this movie had NO MONEY B) Safety concerns- Last Scene- Gun Slapping....no way in hell....Brandon Lee was killed by a blank from over 10 feet away. There is absolutly NO WAY that actors would fire FULL LOAD blanks within that proximity to their heads. C) All of the above
what do you think?
|
|
Destrux
Resistance Member
Posts: 47
|
Post by Destrux on Jul 25, 2003 5:02:02 GMT -5
A DE has an auto mode ?! i mean err... yeah does a DE have top/side bullet ejection ? well... that Berretta M92FS is kinda nice... i think i get myself one ;D Then If i shoot you ill shoot you in the face ... HRHRHRHHRHR [glow=red,60,350]MuhahahahahaT[/glow]
|
|
|
Post by ClericElias on Jul 25, 2003 7:28:28 GMT -5
Hi everyone
I am currently in the process of making a first EQ gun and I hope to be finished very soon. I have had a few questions so I’ll try to answer them.
What gun am I using – Will it have full auto-firing – Is it metal?? ….etc..
The first gun is a plastic spring loaded gun because this is my first attempt and I wanted to make a gun that would appeal to the average punter who can’t afford hundreds of pounds for a metal auto-firing gun. I intend to sell the first gun on ebay to see how many people are interested in a plastic version which is both well finished and accurate. However, I am particularly flexible because I am making each gun one by one unlike others who mass produce props for large profit margins. This means that I will be in a position to make metal guns… plastic guns… auto firing guns or spring loaded – basically whatever people want as and when they want it – which further means that I can create custom engravings for the butt of the gun. This can have the name of the buyer or Preston. When I have sold the first one on ebay and discovered if there is some interest then I will produce a website or something so people can give me their order and their custom preferences.
I thought I would take a moment to explain exactly what it is that I am trying to achieve and offer to you guys.
Basically, I really enjoy making replica film props and I take a great deal of pride in doing so. I have previously made star trek phasers and other props. I also really enjoyed the EQ film and so I was naturally minded to have a crack at making a high quality, accurate replica prop of the cleric gun. In the first instance, I wanted to make one for myself but I have decided to make replica props for others as well as myself which is why I set up this discussion so that I could canvas some opinion on what people would like the gun to be like. Whilst some people may be happy to spend £200+ on a replica cleric gun, I am aware that the average person isn’t that loaded so I hope this explains why I have decided to start with a plastic spring loaded gun.
I hope people aren’t too disappointed that I won’t be providing a certificate of authenticity like Arnie’s “mate” DeeDee – I don’t really see the point in providing a certificate for something that isn’t actually authentic - the idea of an authentically made replica is a bit of an oxymoron in my view.
|
|
DeeDee
Resistance Member
Posts: 24
|
Post by DeeDee on Jul 25, 2003 9:03:42 GMT -5
Ok to clear up a few points Desert Eagles don't actually kick too hard due to the overall mass of the gun,full auto from a 44 isn't nice but is tollerable. Brandon Lee was killed by the front part of a cartridge ripping away from the shell then being ejected through an unplugged barrel of an unmodified firearm.Correctly manufactured blank firing prop guns are NOT able to directly discharge anything other than flame and gas as there 9s no direct line between the round and the muzzle,they use an offset baffle system to accomplish this. The guns used in Equilibrium are indeed the Beretta 92FS but they have had the Simmons Industries auto sears fitted.Overall there are 11 versions of the gun used in the film. The fire selectors in the EQ guns are fake,they are simply new top sections added to the slide removal catch. The certificate provided with the one off Clerics gun is simply to say that it is indeed one of a kind,not that it is an accurate copy of a copy.I did consider doing cheap copies but after giving it some thought ,a cheap copy will always look just that "a cheap copy"... cheers Dee
|
|
|
Post by ClericRyan on Jul 25, 2003 9:11:57 GMT -5
thanks for droping knowledge DeeDee, but I stand by my piont of the desert eagle mark 10 making my hand numb after 4 rounds or so. Mind you I was only 16 years old at the time and my wrists were about as thick as a garden hose. Wikid info on the Brandon Lee incedent, I had always wondered what had exactly happend to him.
cheers
|
|
DeeDee
Resistance Member
Posts: 24
|
Post by DeeDee on Jul 25, 2003 10:20:44 GMT -5
A tad more info on the Lee incident,it was during the filming of the stunt where he is shot by the long haired guy while sat on the end of the bed that caused the fatal injury.It was reported at the inquest that the guns had been used for live fire use during breaks in filming and hence were normal unmodified firearms.It has often been quoted that it occoured at the end of the film when he was stood on the table but this was not the case as 99% of semi auto/fully auto weapons have muzzle restrictors in them to enable full/semi auto fire so would be unable to allow the passage of cartridge parts. On the subject of the Clerics sidearm,the hardest part to produce is the section that encompases the front of the std slide,it has to be made to a very tight tollerance so leaving very little gap but still allowing the gun to function.It is also not a complete radius but is in fact a compund radius requiring quite extensive CNC machining to make it look right.To make the first one of the Cleric arms took me some time but now they have become somewhat easier to produce If anybody want's help or advice on making their own gun I am happy to help where possible cheers Dee
|
|
|
Post by thunderbol885 on Jul 26, 2003 12:52:24 GMT -5
sry i havent posted pic yet, ive been buisy. i have a airsoft desert eagle that i payed 35 dollars for and its brand new.i will sale it for 25 and thats invluding shipping, would some one wnt to buy it?it is a spring pistol. if you are interested email me at thunderbolt885@aol.com its all black and shoots really far and hurts bad when you get hit with it. please don thesitate to contact me about this gun.
|
|
|
Post by thunderbol885 on Jul 26, 2003 12:53:04 GMT -5
sry i havent posted pic yet, ive been buisy. i have a airsoft desert eagle that i payed 35 dollars for and its brand new.i will sale it for 25 and thats invluding shipping, would some one wnt to buy it?it is a spring pistol. if you are interested email me at thunderbolt885@aol.com its all black and shoots really far and hurts bad when you get hit with it. please don thesitate to contact me about this gun[glow=red,2,300]TEXT[/glow]
|
|
DeeDee
Resistance Member
Posts: 24
|
Post by DeeDee on Jul 26, 2003 17:44:00 GMT -5
Um out of interest what has a Desert Eagle got to do with the film equilibrium??
|
|
|
Post by CLERIC on Jul 27, 2003 18:11:26 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by ClericElias on Jul 28, 2003 3:44:47 GMT -5
I am happy to say that the first replica Clerics Gun is for sale on Ebay. To get to it go to www.ebay.com and type in "Equilibrium Grammaton Clerics Gun Prop" or use the ebay code 3339544998. To get more info go to the Subject "Clerics Gun For Sale" where you can post your messages
|
|
trench
Sense Offender
Posts: 9
|
Post by trench on Aug 1, 2003 16:47:48 GMT -5
A tad more info on the Lee incident,it was during the filming of the stunt where he is shot by the long haired guy while sat on the end of the bed that caused the fatal injury.It was reported at the inquest that the guns had been used for live fire use during breaks in filming and hence were normal unmodified firearms. Actually, it was during the scene where Lee and his fiancee were killed by T-bird's gang. You are correct about it being the long-haired actor who played Fun-boy, Michael Massee, firing the fatal shot. A more complete sequence of events: Initally the gun was loaded with fake bullets (since it was a revolver, fake bullets have to be used since the front of the rounds can be seen in close-ups of the magazine) and the weapon was dry fired, causing one of the fakes to become lodged in the barrel. There was no trained weapons expert on set at the time (who would have checked over the weapon to make sure the barrel and magazine were unobstructed). Instead, a regular prop guy loaded the pistol with blanks without checking the weapon thoroughly, then when the blank was discharged it fired the dummy bullet into Brandon Lee, fatally wounding him. Other things that a weapon's expert would have likely insisted - a bulletproof vest for Lee (normally used with blanks fired at close range) and to not fire the gun directly at him.
|
|