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Post by Coolhand on Jun 12, 2003 7:20:11 GMT -5
Are the unarmed combat moves used by Preston real? I'm thinking of things like the knee-break, arm-break combo he uses on the sweeper just before the gun-clubbing sequence. Can you really do that move or is it one of those "movie moves" that doesn't really exist in real martial arts systems? If they are real, which Martial Arts system are they all from? Not that I'm planing to break anyone's arms you understand...  |
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Post by Gualie on Jun 12, 2003 10:35:34 GMT -5
if your looking for joint breaks one of the best arts is Ken-po. Or if you can actually find a teacher the S.E.A.L.S. use a fighting system called SCARS that is a flat out hard striking, joint breaks and other strikes to disable opponents quickly.
it also depends on who you have as a teacher. My teacher here is a black belt in karate but because he picked up cash in high school by street fighting, his style is much more brutal and less stylish than standard karate. just look for a good teacher.
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Post by truheart on Jun 12, 2003 11:33:46 GMT -5
after watching Equilibruim several times the gun butting stuff is Kali/Arnis/Escrima look at the movie Ballistic Ecks VS Sever when Sever used those batons on the swat guys its a similar style except in EQ Preston used the Gun butts Kali is a filipino knife/stick fighting system
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Post by pyro on Jun 12, 2003 12:48:40 GMT -5
after watching Equilibruim several times the gun butting stuff is Kali/Arnis/Escrima look at the movie Ballistic Ecks VS Sever when Sever used those batons on the swat guys its a similar style except in EQ Preston used the Gun butts Kali is a filipino knife/stick fighting system ballistic ecks vs sever was a disgrace to the action genre think back to that part, she threw down the gun she was holding, then whipped out those sticks then ran behind corner to a group of guys. now how did she know there were going to be a group of guys getting out of a truck? i dont know |
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Post by AMD4EVER on Jun 12, 2003 12:52:17 GMT -5
I've done my best to block out the part of my brain that remembers anything about ballistic ecks vs sever
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Post by JenGe on Jun 12, 2003 15:20:36 GMT -5
I've blocked out everything but Ray Park. Just love watching him take on action!!  |
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Post by arcade on Jun 12, 2003 16:24:00 GMT -5
i liked Ballistic... <shurg>
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another movie with Kali stick
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Post by another movie with Kali stick on Jun 12, 2003 16:47:14 GMT -5
another movie with kali stick fighting is the recent Matrix Reloaded when Neo was fighting those hard to kill programs fighting on the stairs anyways theres a scene where he gets his long staff broken in half fighting the programs he then uses the Kali stick fighting style to kick sum ass and there is also another cool movie that has some Kali stick fighting in it its called The Hunted theres knife fighting in it, stick fighting, empty hand fighting
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Post by pyro on Jun 13, 2003 11:06:35 GMT -5
i liked Ballistic... <shurg> Arcade ... dont tell me your one the people supporting it on imdb |
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Post by arcade on Jun 13, 2003 14:35:55 GMT -5
i've never posted about it anywhere before, but i liked it.
i thought lucy lu and banderas were good in their roles, i liked the action, i liked the sound track, and of course, i liked ray park.
i seem to have an ability to allow myself a greater suspension of belief during a movie, i can pretty much check my brain at the door and enjoy just about anything, i'm a huge fan of 80's action B movies too, like Nemisis and the Highlander films.
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Post by BobMundon on Jun 13, 2003 15:23:15 GMT -5
im sure you liked commando to (hey if im laughing at it i enjoy it too lol)
ballistic was a horrible movie, ive seen it twice, making fun of it both times with friends in our little mystery science theater rendition of it, and its still horrible
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Post by JenGe on Jun 13, 2003 17:48:49 GMT -5
, i'm a huge fan of 80's action B movies too, like Nemisis and the Highlander films. Hey, I absolutely love the first Highlander flick!!! Swashbuckling to Queen is just too much fun!! But #3 lost all credibility for me. |
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Post by Trinity on Jun 14, 2003 21:47:45 GMT -5
I've blocked out everything but Ray Park. Just love watching him take on action!! Absolutely. Ray Park is highly underused.  |
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Post by skippythegator on Jun 15, 2003 23:12:09 GMT -5
Coolhand:
the wrist trap he does before the knee break is similar to something i learned from hapkido (which is related to aikido). it's part of the start of a technique.
the knee break is simple and effective, i don't think it's part of a single martial art. ditto with the elbow break.
i've never seen that combo before, but the way he does it makes it look like a karate variant. i'd say they are real techniques, they certainly look effective and besides the fight choreographer is a karate instructor isn't he?
the pistol whipping sequence could have been adapted from filipino stickfighting, but iirc kenpo karate (as done by jeff speakman) also has stickfighting techniques. i think today there's a great deal of homogenization of techniques across many arts, so it's not easy to pin it down.
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Post by StarDancer on Jun 24, 2003 2:26:25 GMT -5
The end fight sequence with Preston and Dupont looks a lot like "pushing hands", something that the Chinese Kung-Fu arts practice in order to be able to know your opponent and out think and out balance him. The practice was supposed to have come from the Shaolin monks.
I think it's pretty ballsy and unique the way Wimmer came up with Gunkata, using guns as pushing hands. The joke was always one good bullet would put down a black belt at 10 paces. Now, the martial artists has the gun. ;D
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Post by Trinity on Jun 24, 2003 12:22:52 GMT -5
I think it's pretty ballsy and unique the way Wimmer came up with Gunkata, using guns as pushing hands. The joke was always one good bullet would put down a black belt at 10 paces. Now, the martial artists has the gun. ;D Yes, definitely!  |
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Post by Waylander on Jul 8, 2003 2:03:23 GMT -5
One of the ultimate martial arts for breaking peoples parts is Jujutsu. Not the crap that Neo supposedly does in The Matrix but the actual style. Anything pretty much goes in Jujutsu and its wicked good with dealing with armed and unarmed oppenents.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Jul 8, 2003 13:45:48 GMT -5
There seemed to be quite a bit of mixed martial arts in the movie:
Gun Fu (self-explanatory)
Escrima (pistol whipping scene)
Ken-po/Hapkido (sweeper joint descruction)
Iaido (sword goons near finale)
Tai-chi/Jeet-Kun-Do (Final scene with Angus)
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Post by Trinity on Jul 9, 2003 19:43:37 GMT -5
Not the crap that Neo supposedly does in The Matrix but the actual style. Yes! Thank you. I agree that it is "crap" too. ;D |
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Post by ClericEd on Jul 10, 2003 20:24:20 GMT -5
Most movie fight coreographers are trained in a number of martial arts and draw from all of them when forming fight scenes. Its rare that you'll see an entire movement or 'set' from a perticular martial art used in one fight. As far as the stick fighting goes, there is a little-known martial art called 'Gatka' which was used by the Sikhs in Northern India. One of its systems is called 'lathi' and basically uses a stick or pole. It is an excellent way to fight many people at once, although very hard to master. |
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Post by ClericEd on Jul 10, 2003 20:31:00 GMT -5
I would also like to point out, that as much I loved Equilibrium, there isn't really much point dissing the Matrix, especially for its fight scenes. The main cast spent the best part of a year intensivley learning kung fu and other styles so its not like they did a bad job or were untrained.
Also, it was coreographed by the legendary Yuen Wo-Ping (who did Crouching Tiger, and often works with Jet Li) so I think its a little silly saying the the fight scenes were crap. Yes, there were LOTS of them and the Neo/Smiths fight was a bit play-staitiony in graphics at some points but the point is, as far as the martial arts side of it goes, it was a great film.
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Post by Trinity on Jul 12, 2003 21:24:03 GMT -5
I would also like to point out, that as much I loved Equilibrium, there isn't really much point dissing the Matrix, especially for its fight scenes. The main cast spent the best part of a year intensivley learning kung fu and other styles so its not like they did a bad job or were untrained. Also, it was coreographed by the legendary Yuen Wo-Ping (who did Crouching Tiger, and often works with Jet Li) so I think its a little silly saying the the fight scenes were crap. Yes, there were LOTS of them and the Neo/Smiths fight was a bit play-staitiony in graphics at some points but the point is, as far as the martial arts side of it goes, it was a great film. Good afternoon, ClericEd. Yuen Wo-Ping is amazing. I can almost always identify his work. I see your point. However, I feel that all the martial arts training in the world would not help Keanu Reeves to feel the moves. I just felt that in Reloaded, he was stiff and simply acting out the moves, rather than truly feeling the flow. But don't get me wrong. I love The Matrix and Reloaded. I just wish they would have chosen someone else for the role of Neo. But that said, I still thoroughly enjoy The Matrix films. |
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Post by ManaBurrn on Jul 15, 2003 12:26:04 GMT -5
I found it interesting that Herr Wimmer said that he would no longer hire martial artists to do the fight scenes - he would hire dancers. He said that the martial artists know only what they have been taught, and are resistant to change whereas dancers not only can learn new moves very quickly, but also remeber them and "stick" them using very little film. Yes girls, I know Christian Bale was a dancer. WOOHOO YES, HES PERFECT  |
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