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Post by ClericMike on Sept 28, 2003 0:54:27 GMT -5
Ok. First thing's first.
I have watched this movie many times, and I think that the clerics' guns are awesome. I am to understand that they are modified berettas. Is the extended barrel designed to give the Tetra-Grammaton muzzle flash? Or is it for improved weapon accuracy? Better weight balance? What?
And the weeble-wobble clips at the end sequence (The clips Preston throws on the floor), are they just designed to "weeble-wobble" or do they serve some other purpose?
Maybe I'm looking into this too much.
P.S.- Exactly how much ammunition does a standard Grammaton Cleric sidearm hold?
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Post by Sontin-JudasFm on Sept 28, 2003 3:29:46 GMT -5
Ok. First thing's first. I have watched this movie many times, and I think that the clerics' guns are awesome. I am to understand that they are modified berettas. Is the extended barrel designed to give the Tetra-Grammaton muzzle flash? Or is it for improved weapon accuracy? Better weight balance? What? And the weeble-wobble clips at the end sequence (The clips Preston throws on the floor), are they just designed to "weeble-wobble" or do they serve some other purpose? Maybe I'm looking into this too much. P.S.- Exactly how much ammunition does a standard Grammaton Cleric sidearm hold? I'm not exactly an expert on guns, but this is the way I understand it: Yes, they are modified Berettas; if you look at one of the shots of the guns on the screensaver, it's possible to make out the word 'Beretta' on the muzzle. Extended barrels usually do give better accuracy; try firing a rifle at a target followed by a standard pistol at your local shooting range and you'll see what I mean (excluding the red-dot scopes you can get on some guns, Berettas included, 'cause the Clerics don't seem to have such niceties  ) I would imagine that's why the alteration was made. 'Weeble-wobble clips' ooh, I like that one ;D I think they were just designed with a weighted base so they could stand upright and Preston could do what he does with them (ie, reload pretty easily ) Standard sidearm...well, a Beretta can take a fifteen-round magazine, if that helps  Anyone feel free to jump in and correct me here; I'm relying on web pages for a lot of this information and might have got the wrong end of the stick at some point Still, that's the way I see things |
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Post by yes on Sept 28, 2003 9:44:21 GMT -5
andas for the tetra sign muzzl eflash, well that was done with computers :-P no seriously. its not possible i dont think, rarararararrrr!
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Post by Sontin-JudasFm on Sept 28, 2003 14:37:51 GMT -5
andas for the tetra sign muzzl eflash, well that was done with computers :-P no seriously. its not possible i dont think, rarararararrrr! I agree...the closest you could get to something like that would probably be if you crossed the bullets, and even then it wouldn't appear like it does in the movie. |
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Post by JenGe on Sept 28, 2003 15:47:26 GMT -5
Yes, the "Tetragrammaton" muzzle flashes are CGI. Here's a bit of trivia that I read/heard somewhere...not sure now (Q&A, e-mail, print?? - I'm losing my mind!!)... Anyway...the "weeble, wobble" clips were actually inspired by the toys of that name and yes, as stated they are for easier reloading purposes. This is one aspect of EQ that I absolutely love...the reloading. Most films just shoot away or have cumbersome reloading techniques. It was absolutely riveting watching the slick manner in which Preston reloaded. Kudo to Wimmer for ingenuity & snazzy-ness!! Too Kewl!!  |
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Post by BMaloney on Sept 28, 2003 17:11:47 GMT -5
Actually, the magazine of the guns has to be very high. In the one scene I counted all the shots and it came to 29 from both guns. 29 divided by 2 is 14.5, assume 15 and that's the magazine size. The closest one I can get.
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Post by CQB The Guest on Sept 28, 2003 19:46:12 GMT -5
for the question about the "'Weeble-wobble" clips, there is one answer i can think of, the clips could be high capacity magazines, basically meaning they carry extra ammunition, since clips of this kind exists today as a means for militants to carry extra ammunition, i would think that it would also be used that way in this film. Not to mention that since Preston used it in a hallway full of guards, it would make perfect sense...
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Post by Sontin-JudasFm on Sept 30, 2003 9:15:39 GMT -5
This is one aspect of EQ that I absolutely love...the reloading. Most films just shoot away or have cumbersome reloading techniques. It was absolutely riveting watching the slick manner in which Preston reloaded. Kudo to Wimmer for ingenuity & snazzy-ness!! Too Kewl!! ;D I'll go with that; I particularly like the extra clips Preston keeps up his sleeves |
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Post by arcade on Oct 1, 2003 14:34:48 GMT -5
standard clip size for a beretta 92f IS 15 rounds. and you can find extended clips of 20 and 32 rounds out there as well. it's just in america that we have the 10 round limit on new firearms produced, or imported into the country. but "pre-ban" firearms and accessories are legal to purchase, these are items already in the country before the bill was passed a few years ago.
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Post by BMaloney on Oct 3, 2003 20:18:20 GMT -5
Well that's the answer there.. I'm no expert I'll tell you that!
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Post by ReMaster on Oct 4, 2003 20:49:49 GMT -5
Actually, the 'weeble-wobble' clips serve another purpose besides being really cool looking:
If you have ever seen a target pistol, they are also equipped with a similar 'weighted' handle. This helps to balance the gun with regards to the energy created by the gas blowback operation, increasing accuracy at higher rates of fire.
Thanks!
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Post by Preston on May 15, 2004 15:29:44 GMT -5
andas for the tetra sign muzzl eflash, well that was done with computers :-P no seriously. its not possible i dont think, rarararararrrr! I was done with computers. - Preston |
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Post by TrustKill on May 17, 2004 9:28:04 GMT -5
the only way to get anything similar to the Tetramuzzleflareaton is to mill out custom compensator ports. even w/ that done all that it would do was flare out w/ 4 straight points. it is physically impossible to manipulate flaming gas into "T" shapes. plus there are no external compensator ports on the weapons.
-computers are resoundingly the answer.
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Post by VieElskerDetLandet on May 18, 2004 18:49:01 GMT -5
standard clip size for a beretta 92f IS 15 rounds. and you can find extended clips of 20 and 32 rounds out there as well. it's just in america that we have the 10 round limit on new firearms produced, or imported into the country. but "pre-ban" firearms and accessories are legal to purchase, these are items already in the country before the bill was passed a few years ago. Arcade The Ban expire in september- so if you not in a communist state.(liberal whackos  ) then save your money and get ready for some hi cap mags again. ;D ps. the large handles on target pistols are wrist rests not wieghts i think |
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Post by Megalomaniac on Jun 8, 2004 4:23:09 GMT -5
The Cleric pistols have a compensator on the front if it, it extends the barrel(increased accuracy) and adds weight to the front to prevent muzzle kick. The weighted handle decreases recoil when combined with a light weight slide.
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Post by murray on Jun 10, 2004 16:29:03 GMT -5
guns go bang bang
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Post by MisterAnderson on Jun 10, 2004 20:52:41 GMT -5
Thank-you for that astounding bit of "insight" there murray....  |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jun 11, 2004 6:03:44 GMT -5
A minty reply there, to be sure.
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Post by murray on Jun 11, 2004 11:58:03 GMT -5
However, silenced guns go ptchoow ptchoow. how do you write that  ? |
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Post by TrustKill on Jun 14, 2004 8:49:24 GMT -5
its actually more of a PWFFFT PWFFFFT sound.
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Post by murray on Jun 14, 2004 14:54:24 GMT -5
ah! that's what i was looking for! ;D
thanks trustkill
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Post by Spiku on Jun 19, 2004 5:06:03 GMT -5
Most people claim these are HIGHLY modified Berettas. Well, it's quite to the contrary, all they did really was modify the trigger guard and add a cool-looking shroud. Most people are calling it a compensator. I think not. They aren't 93R's either. They're actually user-modified 92FS's, kinda like how Glock 17 owners will convert them to full auto.
Airsoft wise, I've been testing out my kata with my Sigmas. Despite the fact I'm using the 39-round donkey mags, they're working exquisitely. Giving my friend my beloved P-90, I tested my form.
Turning my back on my Jeet Kune Do training, telling me no form, all Gun Kata really is just form, but it worked pretty well for the dodging.
Accuracy is another issue that needs to be knocked down. Following my old-school style with my 4505's where I use the "strong arm, weak arm" method, I was pretty accurate, but gun kata presents all new problems in itself.
Perhaps it's just me not leaving myself a long enough window to lay down fire. In practice, GK looks almost dance-like. "Turn, turn, spray-spray, turn, turn, eat floor, spray-spray". That's what I was saying in my head while my friend Philip was hosing me down with my own fully automatic upgraded AEG, spitting white death at no more than 900 bb's per minute.
It's quite hard. The real trick is to wait and dodge until your enemy goes empty, THEN lay down your barrage. Least that's what I've learned.
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Post by Preston on Jun 20, 2004 5:45:14 GMT -5
You used a lot of numbers there. I'm confused.
///_-\\ P&S
-Preston
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) I would imagine that's why the alteration was made.
) then save your money and get ready for some hi cap mags again. ;D
