EQ Poster & Gun

[BryanX]

I need help. I would really like to order this poster:



I can't seem to find it anywhere. I can only find the one with Taye Diggs and Christian Bale on the front. If you guys tell me to buy the poster above in Ebay, I can't do that because I'm not a member. And I don't wanna wait that long for an auction to end. I wanna be able to order it now. Please respond ASAP.

As for the gun that I saw in the EQ Item thread, isn't that the same gun Robocop used?:

[JenGe]

I've looked for weeks for another source besides ebay and so far nada. If you are in the USA you might try a local video store. Sometimes they'll give posters away if they have it. All you have to do is ask.

About the gun...it was mentioned here that its the one from Robocop.

[JenGe]

Here is what the Cleric's gun looks like...and I got to hold it!!

[arcade]

The two guns are related, but not the same. the robocop gun is built off a Beretta 93r. basicly a larger machine pistol version of the Beretta 92fs. the cleric gun looks to be built off the 92fs frame.


Arcade

[BryanX]

Yeah the Cleric's gun looks alot more simple than Robocop's.

The Cleric's gun looks like a modified Beretta(?)....all they did was hook that piece right in the bottom of the barrell whereas the piece in Robocop's gun looks alot bigger.

And JenGe, how'd you get to hold the Cleric's gun? Where and when?

[Ark]

And you wanna see something like minigan?

[BryanX]

You mean 'mini-gun'?

A mini-gun is like a 'gatling gun'. You can see what a mini-gun looks like in Terminator 2 when the Terminator(Arnold) & John are underground with all the arsenal of weapons.

[JenGe]

Kurt Wimmer gave one of the prop guns to Nick Nunziata of CHUD.com. When I went to Atlanta Nick let me hold it several times. I even got a picture of him with it but due to this on going illness I still haven't gotten it developed yet.

Wimmer also discussed the gun at the Q&A and the reason he chose this specific model to build on. He needed a gun with a top casing ejector because originally in the cathedral sequence (I think)... there was to be a shot with the bullet casing being ejected from the top into the camera. At the end of the day though the shot ended up being too difficult to accomplish and was scrapped.

[Jetta]

The extension off the end of the frame on both Robocops M93R and the cleric's modified M92 are known as match competition muzzle weights. They are counerweights used to steady the pistol when shooting in competitions, and never actually used in combat. The picture of Robocop's pistol is not a real pistol, but an Airsoft replica.

[BobMundon]

those are not used in competition, everyone uses compensators not counter weights (an exception being the USP match, but no one really uses it either). that was done more for looks than anything else i assume, cause for recoil reduction counter weights really are inferior to compenstaors


someone needs to post a pic of an actual cleric pistol, that one all they did was add the thing under the barrel, where on the actual pistol there was many more changes (different slide, different hammer, etc)

[BryanX]

BobMundon said:

that was done more for looks than anything else i assume

Obviously. Alot of Sci-Fi movies(especially the one's that take place in the future) design weapons always for looks. Besides, in the future, it's a fact that weapons will look different in a much better way.

Except in The Matrix 1(I haven't seen Reloaded yet). In Matrix 1, the guns they used were not changed which is odd because that movie likes to do alot of "just for looks". For example, the wearing of the sunglasses and coats when Neo and Trinity enter the building with the guards. I think they went too far with the outfits. They could have just looked decent, not something like they would wear in some kind of fashion show.

Anyway, back to the gun subject. In the beginning, after Trinity jumps off the roof of the building and lands downstairs, she takes out 2 pistols. It closes up on them. I think they were Glock 9mm or Beretta's...but anyhow, I've seen those guns and they didn't change them. Even the "Guns...lots of guns." scene, you can see all the weapons look just how they look today.

I think The Matrix would entertain children more than adults(atleast most of the scenes do that). Hopefully, when I see Reloaded and Revolutions, that will not be the case.

[JenGe]

BobMundon said:

someone needs to post a pic of an actual cleric pistol, that one all they did was add the thing under the barrel, where on the actual pistol there was many more changes (different slide, different hammer, etc)

That is a picture of the "prop" gun used in the film. You can see it distinctly in Partridge's hand during the Cathedral segment. I've actually held it. It has no moving parts and is a light weight plastic. Obviously other "working" models were used during the film as well. In fact, I would venture to guess that several variation on the model were used.

[BobMundon]

that one that prestong uses is different than that one, the slide is strait all the way down, and i recall the hammer being different


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i am watching that scene, the gun partrige has is strait sided all the way down, and the trigger gaurd is of the angular type (not the one shown in that pic). cant see the hammer though, but on prestons gun the hammer is of a differen type also

[zibblit]

BobMundon said:

that one that prestong uses is different than that one, the slide is strait all the way down, and i recall the hammer being different

You definitely know your guns. Hammer, slide, etc. etc.

Myself... I just know... "gun".

[BobMundon]

like i said in my other thread lol im somewhat of a gun nut lol

i dont know what that pic is from, but its not one of the guns in the movie (at least the one partrige or preston had)

[JenGe]

BobMundon said:

someone needs to post a pic of an actual cleric pistol...

Hey Bob...How's this?? I tried to clear it up but this is the best I could do.

[BobMundon]

that one has the strait side (didnt see any of those classic berreta slides in the movie), and the angular trigger gaurd, though some have a really sweet hammer on them too (i think preston uses it to shoot partrige, although it may be somewhere else)

but at least the ones that i saw it ISNT the one in that pic

[JenGe]

More images...

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This one has some more details of the slide.

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This one is a zoom in from the cathedral still.

[KamiChi]

Before I found this site I did a lil' research and the gun used does look like a berreta 92, but I found that it resembles a Vector SP2 full auto 9mm.South African I think.

[Spiku]

In the Matrix, Trinity's guns are, I believe, Berretta Cougar M8000s. They very much resemble 92fs, but they are smaller without the protruding barrel. The muzzle compensators found on these guns cannot be used in competition because IPSC regs prohibit using compensators on pistols

[JenGe]

Spiku said:

In the Matrix, Trinity's guns are, I believe, Berretta Cougar M8000s. They very much resemble 92fs, but they are smaller without the protruding barrel. The muzzle compensators found on these guns cannot be used in competition because IPSC regs prohibit using compensators on pistols

Hey Spike, some interesting facts there... thanks & welcome to the group.

[SpeakeasyAC]

I may be wrong, but I believe that Trinity's pistols used in the opening scenes are in fact Beretta 92FS Brigadier models. I am quite sure that they are not Cougars; they have a very distinct, 'chunkier' look and do not quite resemble the 92 series. The Brigadiers are identical in function and form to the full-sized 92 pistols except for shortened grips, thinner grip panels (i think), and a shortened barrel which, as you mentioned, does not extend past the slide. This 'slimmed-down' version of the Beretta 92 is popularly used in movies with smaller-framed shooters (Tom Cruise used two Brigadiers in Mission Impossible: 2).
Regarding the compensator/barrel weight discussion, I believe that the add-on pieces for the pistols used in Equilibrium were mostly cosmetic in function. As far as the way the frame extensions were designed, if a true compensator were desired there would be slots in the top to divert muzzle gases, and if the device was to be used as a barrel-weight then it should have been much smaller. This is not to say, however, that the design was incorrect; I suppose that for the martial-arts-oriented combat of the Clerics, an elongated and heavily weighted weapon with a pointed front-end could serve as a type of bludgeoning or stabbing weapon.
Finally, I have a question: I noticed from several scenes (notably the nighttime dog/sweeper fight) that when Preston fires his pistol, the four-sided Tetragrammaton symbol spews from the muzzle. At first I thought this might be the projectile itself (as if Clerics might be firing special types of expanding ammunition) but now I think that there was simply a flash-hider installed on the pistol that changes the shape of the muzzle burst. Military weapons nowadays almost always have some sort of slotted flash suppressor installed (notice that when fired, a weapon with a slotted flash hider has a star-shaped muzzle flash, as opposed to the common fireball type). I found this to be quite interesting and an enjoyable addition to the film, although, as with some of the other elements, there is little practical application to an aesthetically shaped muzzle flash.
If you're wondering how I know all this, I am a gun admirer and I shoot often with a number of pistols and rifles. If you would like, please email me at [e-mail] as I may not be visiting this forum often; I was only referred to it by a link from a friend.

[CrepitusMors]

"those are not used in competition, everyone uses compensators not counter weights (an exception being the USP match, but no one really uses it either). that was done more for looks than anything else i assume, cause for recoil reduction counter weights really are inferior to compenstaors"

This statement is incorrect. While the Combat Pistol rings, like IDPA and IPSC may rarely see the use of counters, these devices are VERY much alive in the Free and Air Pistol Sections of the NRA Collegiate league. A reason for this lack of counters has much to do with holster rules in both of the named circuits.

Also, in IDPA, even compensators are not really in the spirit of the competition, since it is a mostly stock weapon circuit. You won't find laser or HUD sights in this league. I can't remember whether or not they allow comps since it has been sometime since I attended a match.

As for combat, counter weights are not in large use strictly because additional weight is not something a soldier wants and, atleast within the US Military, modifying one's weapon is not permitted on the whole... Now ofcourse, guys put tape and other stuff on their guns for grip or what have you but serious mods are not allowed as far as I know... But I'm just a Navy guy so my guns come in sizes most people don't carry... 5in, 20mm, 18in, etc.

As for the use of comps and counter weights in combat outside of regular militaries, I not an expert. There are few truly professional hitmen and they really needn't bother because the shot is at a time and place of their chosing. Professional mercenaries are known to modify and customize weapons but most operations include the supplying of arms by the employer since carrying weapons across borders is generally difficult. A majority of professional, train mercenaries actually come from the United States and Great Britain. At one time, the Swiss held the title for the best mercenaries but since the formal outlaw of mercs, their numbers and actions have become more difficult to track.

In the whole, compensators and counter weights are generally not found outside the competitive world, since their use as a muffler of recoil in rapid fire sequences rarely has a use in modern combat.

[CrepitusMors]

As a side note, in many practical combat courses, comps are frowned on because their diversion of gases binds the shooter in a night fight and, during day, obsure the sight picture. A major reason why I do not like revolvers.

[Jon]

FYI BryanX, there was one gun in the first Matrix that was somewhat modified; the Skorpion machine pistols used by Neo in the running part of the lobby shootout. They had the wire stock removed, some sort of false suppressor type device added and unusually long magazines. As well as a very unusual aftermarket conversion kit apparently allowing the guns to fire 5.56mm ammunition...