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Post by Jon on Nov 17, 2003 8:15:14 GMT -5
Hi, As 'DeeDee', the guy whose company made the airsoft replicas in the thread you've linked to above says, and the guys above say, the guns *are* 92F or FS types, with the extensive mods to barrel, shroud, and depending on the prop on screen at any one time, the hammer, trigger guard (often shown as rectilinear, not recurved like the 92) and the Elite style skeleton hammer you can see in some shots. The Blademaster also has extensions, but these are quite different, more akin to target-pattern M92s. Then of course there's the flick-out studs in the magazine base and the attached Armalite type fire selector grafted onto some of the props. You'll notice that almost the only time you see the Auto, Single, Lock switch is during the scene its used (when Preston clicks through the settings before handing the gun to Brandt). This is because the 'fire selector' has replaced the original gun's 'takedown lever', the switch used to strip the gun down for cleaning. Although Area51 airsoft used M93s for the full auto version of the Cleric, the slide shape and other features are quite (subtly) different to the M92. Unfortunately I was too late to get an A51 replica, as production was v limited But reading the other threads, I see JenGe is being sent one, and I'm sure he'll post pics of it.
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Post by JenGe on Nov 17, 2003 8:48:06 GMT -5
..., I see JenGe is being sent one, and I'm sure he'll post pics of it. Most guys think I'm a guy. ;D Thanks for that added info about the Beretta model...I'm just so dazed & confused... Guess I gotta go & change my pages back...
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Post by Jon on Nov 17, 2003 11:40:24 GMT -5
Ah nuts, sorry *sheepish grin*. Something about your nick maybe... or maybe I was presumptious. Either way, sorry about that! Here, about halfway down the page you can see a Blademaster II. It's a variation on a target shooter replica but has no direct real-world representative. www.dentrinity.com/shop/airsoft.htmSuffice to say anyone interested in the actual guns should check out the other thread linked above; Dee knew what he was talking about. Sadly I was too late to get a Cleric from his company; they only did a limited run. I'd give my left leg for one
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Post by JenGe on Nov 17, 2003 20:44:57 GMT -5
Ah nuts, sorry *sheepish grin*. Something about your nick maybe... or maybe I was presumptious. Either way, sorry about that! No worries Jon. If I wanted people not to be confused I'd have a tiny pink ribbon under my name... ...
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Nov 18, 2003 10:53:13 GMT -5
No worries Jon. If I wanted people not to be confused I'd have a tiny pink ribbon under my name... ... *laughs his wolfie ass off* LOL!
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Post by JD on Nov 18, 2003 16:04:46 GMT -5
One of the rebels use's a revolver to shoot preston in the head when his head is turned while looking at the raid on one of the rebel factory, and if your wondering what rebel, (the one that says "dont turn he'll shoot us in the back!") JD
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Nov 18, 2003 17:07:19 GMT -5
Hi JD, welcome, the thread's actually about the physical base for the gun, I.E. what make of gun was modified to become the Cleric's chosen sidearm
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Post by JD on Nov 19, 2003 13:39:19 GMT -5
Oh sorry just thougt you'd want to know JD
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Nov 19, 2003 13:46:14 GMT -5
It's ok JD, it's a good observation Nice one
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Post by CrepitusMors on Nov 24, 2003 11:56:07 GMT -5
The physical base weapon appears to be a late model Berreta 92 or 96. The frame matches both pretty close. THough the 93R is a nice suggestion due to its unique firing mode, the cleric gun does not seem to have the same lower reciever profile. To modify a 92/96 for full automatic capability, one as a myriad of options but elemental change itsn't difficult with an experience gunsmith on hand.
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Post by Eihtball on Dec 7, 2003 10:18:44 GMT -5
Hi, everyone! [author=Sathanai link=board=general&thread=1066124108&start=6#0 date=1066130153] As for the movie's other guns, i counted H&K G36, Kalashnikov AK-47 and Nikonov AN-95 assault rifles, H&K MP5K and FN P90 submachineguns, a Walther WA2000 rifle (used to shoot the dogs) and Remington 870 tactical 12 guage shotguns. There were a few other things in use among the rebel forces, but i'd have to see the movie again to pick them all out [/quote] Correction: There weren't any AN-95s' in the movie. I believe you're confusing the AN-95 with the Beretta AR-70, which WAS used (for example, in the scene where Payton's wife is taken and he grabs the guard's gun, which is an AR-70). Like this one: As far as Payton's sidearms go, I think they're 92Fs', not 93Rs'. They have pretty much all of the telltale 92F signs - the grips, the slide, and the safety. Also, it is possible in real life to convert the 92F to fire full-auto using some type of DIAS (drop-in auto sear). In fact, these guns may very well have been used in the film (except with extra movie props on them, of course): www.longmountain.com/movieguns/UnderworldThey're real 92Fs' modified to fire full-auto with a drop-in unit. The caption mentions that they've been used in both "Underworld" and "Judge Dread". Obviously, that means they've seen a lot of movie use. My guess is that perhaps these same guns were used in "Equilibrium" as well, except with a different barrel extension and the fake selector.
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Dec 8, 2003 7:46:10 GMT -5
It's Preston not Payton, just thought I'd point that little detail out ;D
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Post by Jason Wiebold on Mar 9, 2004 14:19:44 GMT -5
There are many weapons used in the movie. The sidearm of the Grammaton Cleric is a Beretta M92FS 9x19mm Parabellum pistol with a specialty pin and heavy duty recoil spriong that allow it to fire fully automatic. You can buy these parts for any handgun in the world, although for price efficiency they probably did use a few M93R's in the film. There are many exterior changes as well, mostr notably the barrel extension with "blade" piece on the front. The trigger guard is also changed. There are Remington M870 Tactical 12 Gauges, HK G36 5.56x45mm NATO's, DSA SA58 7.62x51mm NATO's, Fabrique Nationale Model Project 90 5.7x28mm FN's, (FN P90's) Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm Parabellum's, Ceska Zbrojovka Skorpion VZ 61 7.65x17mm Browning's (CZ VZ 61's) Automat Kalashnikov Model 1947 7.62x39mm Soviet's (AK-47's) Automat Kalashnikov Model 1974 5.45x39mm Soviet's (AK-74's) and an assortment of IMI Uzi 9x19mm Parabellum's. I recently viewed Equilibrium about a month ago, and it is bar none the best movie I have ever seen. When I found this page, I was obviously excited. Whoever the producers of this page are, I would like to congratulate you. The Beretta M92FS sidearm does indeed look sweet, and it had me baffled until I saw the movie three or four times. At first I thought it was a Vektor SP-2 .40 S&W pistol made in South Africa (mainly because of the trigger guard, but this too, was also custom). This page is, quite frankly, AWESOME!! You guys did an awesome job. I hope my firearms identification skills helped.
- Jason Wiebold
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Post by Jason Wiebold on Mar 9, 2004 14:22:21 GMT -5
Eiht ball is right, there aer no AN-95's in the movie. The Beretta AR-70 5.56x45mm NATO is correct. There isn't even an AN-95 in real life. You may have bewen confusing it iwth the Nikonov AN-94 "Abakan" 5.45x39mm Soviet
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Post by NITPICKER on Mar 15, 2004 22:28:44 GMT -5
...a specialty pin and heavy duty recoil spriong that allow it to fire fully automatic. You can buy these parts for any handgun in the world, ... - Jason Wiebold No, no, no! Dude, first get your facts straight. 1) You cannot simply add a new pin and "sproing" and get a fully automatic pistol. You would need to speed the cycling rate, fix the trigger so that it does not fire one shot. Also, these parts are not avalible throughout the world, nor for ANY handgun. (Sure, some guns except such modifications but not all.) Take Japan, for example, any gun or parts are illegal in Japan so that crimes are inherently less violent. Also, guys and girls, the "Blademaster" is not a real gun. Sure, you could modify a Beretta into such a gun, but there is no such stock weapon. As well, the Beretta M92R does NOT fire full auto, only 3 round burst. It can, however, be modified, at great cost and work, to fire full auto.
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Post by NITPICKER on Mar 15, 2004 22:32:03 GMT -5
...(Sure, some guns except such modifications but not all.)... Whopsie! Meant to say "Sure, some guns accept such modifications, but some not at all".
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Post by NITPICKER on Mar 15, 2004 22:43:47 GMT -5
(PS: Sorry to post three times in a row but, i really don't wish this to become a flame war. Its a great site, a great forum, and a great group of people that post here.)
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 16, 2004 9:40:57 GMT -5
No, no, no! Dude, first get your facts straight. 1) You cannot simply add a new pin and "sproing" and get a fully automatic pistol. You would need to speed the cycling rate, fix the trigger so that it does not fire one shot. Also, these parts are not avalible throughout the world, nor for ANY handgun. (Sure, some guns except such modifications but not all.) Take Japan, for example, any gun or parts are illegal in Japan so that crimes are inherently less violent. Also, guys and girls, the "Blademaster" is not a real gun. Sure, you could modify a Beretta into such a gun, but there is no such stock weapon. As well, the Beretta M92R does NOT fire full auto, only 3 round burst. It can, however, be modified, at great cost and work, to fire full auto. -actually you can modify berettas and glocks into full auto pistols pretty simply. there are drop in devices that turn the fram safety of a beretta into a fire selector switch. thats it... its not "impossible" as you say. the parts are readily available, at least in the US, for anyone who has an FFL class III license. -the beretta 93R does have a full auto function. it was released in two versions, the first of which did not have the full auto but the second version in the early ninties DID have full auto as designated by an infinity symbol in between the semi and three round burst positions on the switch. there were also some subtle changes to the design of the muzzle compensator but that is a non-related point. -the spring and firing pin are determinal in creating a fully automatic weapon as mr. wiebold said. without reinforced internals such as these, the weapon would misfeed after probably the second or third round since the recoil spring and firing mechanism would not be able to keep up with the feed from the magazine. all else that you need is an auto-returning sear. the sear in the pistol normally doesnt return to ready position until after the gun has been fired, but if you replace it with a modified one, it reprimes the pin and fires again using only the power from the recoil itself. -sounds like you yourself need to "get your facts straight."
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Post by Jason Wiebold on Mar 17, 2004 14:05:09 GMT -5
Thank you for the corrections, I was simply using data that I have gathered from various trustworthy sites on the internet. I forgot one gun from my guns-in-the-movie list, the Walther WA-2000 7.62x51mm NATO. But what I can't figure out is why the gun in the movie is a pump-action rifle (when he is shooting the dogs). I thought the WA-2000 was a semi-auto rifle? Any help here would be appreciated.
Thanks again
-Jason W.
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Post by Jason W on Mar 17, 2004 14:08:07 GMT -5
Sorry guys, i posted without doing any research. The Walther WA-2000 is indeed a semi-automatic sniper rifle. If you would like proof for yourself, visit this web address: world.guns.ru/sniper/sn15-e.htmThanks again for your time - Jason W.
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 17, 2004 14:15:48 GMT -5
yeah... in EQ they sort of just turned it into a pump action type thing for looks. it doesnt even have a scope on it like it was intended. and, if you notice, the guy doesnt even really move his hand when the "ka-chink" of the cocking action happens.
-thos rifles are awesome, by the way...
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Post by NITPICKER on Mar 19, 2004 5:11:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but where, ANYWHERE, in my statement did I ever say that it was impossible? If I am correct, I never said impossible. Also, thanks for the correction on the full auto beretta. But I cannot com across this information anywhere? Where did you get it?
Ahh, yes the WA2000. Nice rifle. Very accurate if you know what your doing. But, as you and Jason said, some how bolt action in EQ...
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Post by NITPICKER on Mar 19, 2004 5:13:17 GMT -5
nice sig, by the by.
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 19, 2004 10:25:39 GMT -5
no problem. i guess i read into your statements a bit much when you said that the equipment for the auto procedure is not available to anyone or something like that.
-as for the article... ill have to do some digging. i wrote a paper about this gun about a year ago and im not sure if i still have the source addy's anywhere...
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Post by Hablo on Mar 29, 2004 20:25:22 GMT -5
You are all wrong, The pistol is ,in fact, a modified desert eagle. Not a beretta and thats final. Isn't it obvious.
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Post by JenGe on Mar 29, 2004 22:15:13 GMT -5
You are all wrong, The pistol is ,in fact, a modified desert eagle. Not a beretta and thats final. Isn't it obvious. Well since Kurt Wimmer himself states it is a Beretta on the DVD commentary I believe it is you who is wrong. "These guns, by the way, are modified Berettas. We put cladding on them. I chose the Beretta because it was the only gun that could be modified to have top ejection, or could be easily modified to have top ejection. Most guns have right port ejection, and I very much wanted to have a gun that would eject straight out the top and the reason for that was... it's coming up here momentarily. When he fires the gun, you see the shell going through the right-hand part of the frame there? Well I thought in my fantasy world that I could reliably get the shell to come up and hit the camera. Well, in the time-frame I was dealing with, that was never going to happen, and I realize now that if you're going to do that then you're just going to have to do that digitally. It would probably work a lot better anyway. That was the idea, but it pays off a little later at the end of the movie in the scene where he's going down the hallway, because he has the guns turned sideways and you see the shells crossing out of the tops of the guns, creating and X, so it pays off a little bit there. But ultimately it was a fair amount of work and expense that didn't pay off in any sense." -------Kurt Wimmer, DVD Commentary, Chapter 4
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 30, 2004 9:13:54 GMT -5
You are all wrong, The pistol is ,in fact, a modified desert eagle. Not a beretta and thats final. Isn't it obvious. ::cough cough:: RETARD ::cough::
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Post by EsbenF on Mar 30, 2004 9:17:06 GMT -5
You are all wrong, The pistol is ,in fact, a modified desert eagle. Not a beretta and thats final. Isn't it obvious. *cough cough* what-trustkill-said*cough*
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Post by Jason Wiebold on Mar 31, 2004 14:13:38 GMT -5
Desert Eagle??? You have got to be kidding me. Isn't it obvious that it's a Beretta??? You can even see the actual safety (manual safety) on the rear of the slide that is used on the real gun, and the fake selector switch used in the movie. I am aware that the IMI-Magnum Research Desert Eagle also uses a slide-mounted manual safety, but it is much different in appearance. Any gun enthusiast could tell you that the gun is a Beretta Model 92 pistol. And, as JenGe said, Kurt Wimmer tells you on the commentary that the gun is a Beretta!!! All I have to say now is what TrustKill said
Cough, cough, retard, cough...
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Post by TrustKill on Mar 31, 2004 14:18:43 GMT -5
Desert Eagle??? You have got to be kidding me. Isn't it obvious that it's a Beretta??? You can even see the actual safety (manual safety) on the rear of the slide that is used on the real gun, and the fake selector switch used in the movie. I am aware that the IMI-Magnum Research Desert Eagle also uses a slide-mounted manual safety, but it is much different in appearance. Any gun enthusiast could tell you that the gun is a Beretta Model 92 pistol. And, as JenGe said, Kurt Wimmer tells you on the commentary that the gun is a Beretta!!! -amen, brother... -why not just join the forum already? you've been around long enough. -you're right about the safeties and whatnot. originally i was going to come back to this thread w/ pics and describe the differences with visual references, but i figured it wouldnt be worth wasting my time. that guy just gets my "douche bag" stamp of approval instead... ::grins::
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