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Post by thepainless on Dec 31, 2003 23:26:09 GMT -5
Out of his sleeves, I see no jerk movements or anything they just come out  Can anyone explain ;D Also there has been much talk about the Cleric trenchcoat, but how about the other black jacket that is shorter (its in the scene where he takes out the sweepers with the shotguns) I like that better than the trenchcoat ;D |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Jan 1, 2004 7:26:48 GMT -5
Wrist mechanical doo-dad-thingies...yeah, those.
Each gun seems to be mounted on some kind of mechanical device, these devices can also feed ammo into the gun's as well.
As in the Sweeper Lobby GunKata-death scene...
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Post by Silencer on Jan 1, 2004 15:03:03 GMT -5
Yeah, he has little devices that push the guns out of his sleeves. You'll notice them when Preston's polygraph flatlines (No, not without incident), and he also cuts them off of Brandt when he opens a can with that Katana in the final confrontation of Father.
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Post by Deimos on Jan 3, 2004 18:12:36 GMT -5
Though he doesn't always use the technological doo-dads. In the pistol-whipping scene he takes them out of the pockets of his jacket doesn't he?
Deimos
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Post by Rymel on Jan 4, 2004 2:47:45 GMT -5
yea i think you're right deimos. and some site mentioned that it might be 'robots', or more accurately to me, a mechanism hooked up to a biofeedback system. at this point in time i don't think it's a possible mechanism. at least not outside the military sector ;D
i also think they're only apable of reloading once, otherwise the sleeves get bulky...is that a magazine in your sleeve or are you happy to see me?
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Post by TrustKill on Jan 4, 2004 18:30:15 GMT -5
the sleeve holsters have been used in some other movies but i have never seen them outside of hollywood. (see desperado)
-its possible they are spring-loaded but it doesnt seem logical. where are the springs? possibly just gravity fed... as for the loaders... hmmm... a bit far fetched, but still cool. i agree with rymel though in that you can probably only reload once, otherwise youd have a ton of magazines in your sleeves. that would have been pretty obvious for him to be walking up to take the polygraph with 6 magazines clanking in his sleeves.
-TrustKill-
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Post by pyro on Jan 4, 2004 20:14:25 GMT -5
Though he doesn't always use the technological doo-dads. In the pistol-whipping scene he takes them out of the pockets of his jacket doesn't he? Deimos i was thinking that preston had 2 pairs of guns, one in his coat pockets and one in his holisters speaking of which, in the taxi driver, robert deniero's character makes one out of a drawer |
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Post by thepainless on Jan 5, 2004 0:48:32 GMT -5
yea i think you're right deimos. and some site mentioned that it might be 'robots', or more accurately to me, a mechanism hooked up to a biofeedback system. at this point in time i don't think it's a possible mechanism. Biofeedback system? This shit just gets weirder  |
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Post by Rymel on Jan 5, 2004 4:06:39 GMT -5
lol, sorry if i confused you. i have a high interest in biofeedback systems, and practical application of it, which is sadly unpursued by any professional firm. i think you could have electrodes (contact points) at a couple of places on the body, and through training be able to activate something through it just by thought. like say you tensed certain sets of muscles to activate the release mechanism and out pops the guns ;D i mean it makes sense, especially if you had them across the arms and upper body. the guns usually came out simultaneously so this adds to my suspicion. but then again it could also be that i love biofeedback systems ^_^;
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Post by TrustKill on Jan 5, 2004 11:40:24 GMT -5
bio-feedback system? that sounds pretty cool.
-ill give you like... 50 bucks to make one for me ::wink::
-TrustKill-
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Post by Rymel on Jan 5, 2004 17:32:49 GMT -5
LOL even if i could, it'd probly cost more than 50 bucls...if i made that i'd patent it and make a fortune  |
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Post by pyro on Jan 5, 2004 19:13:46 GMT -5
Out of his sleeves, I see no jerk movements or anything they just come out Can anyone explain ;D if you watch in slow mostion, he extends his arms all the way and the guns come out |
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Post by Rymel on Jan 5, 2004 19:47:28 GMT -5
i noticed that, but it doesn't tell us anything.
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Post by pyro on Jan 5, 2004 19:59:54 GMT -5
i noticed that, but it doesn't tell us anything. watch the taxi driver... |
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Post by Rymel on Jan 5, 2004 21:15:28 GMT -5
i did, but i can't exactly remember as it's been a long time. didn't he use cabinet rails?
...but if i was the tetragrammaton, i'd use something i had a little more control over...wouldn't want the guns sliding out when i don't want them to...
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Post by Java on Jan 8, 2004 12:48:24 GMT -5
A company called Area 51 who made airsoft versions of the cleric pistols also made the sleve ejecter thing and magazine reloader but no pictures of them were released as they were for strictly Military and law enforcement. As any photos could aid someone making there own version and potentialy harm other people!They are illegal for civilians to own!
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Post by thepainless on Jan 9, 2004 0:57:35 GMT -5
Maybe just forbidden all together. Never seen or heard of military or law enforcement use them |
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Post by pyro on Jan 9, 2004 17:08:51 GMT -5
A company called Area 51 who made airsoft versions of the cleric pistols also made the sleve ejecter thing and magazine reloader but no pictures of them were released as they were for strictly Military and law enforcement. As any photos could aid someone making there own version and potentialy harm other people!They are illegal for civilians to own! can you produce a link so i can actually beleive you? |
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Post by Rip on Jan 9, 2004 17:53:36 GMT -5
I know there's no way of knowing for sure, but how many spare clips would you say John has in his sleeves? Just one each, or more?
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Post by Rymel on Jan 10, 2004 18:53:21 GMT -5
i say just 1. any more would be too builky.
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Post by akumabito on Feb 7, 2004 15:06:14 GMT -5
The sleeve holsters in Taxi Driver were indeed made form either drawer rails or curtain rails, which were spring-loaded. Though I don't know how that mechanism was actually operated..
(does anyone know?)
Don't you guys think the beretta is kinda large for a sleeve holster? I mean, I've got an airsoft Colt 1911 (roughly the same size) and I really can't imagine carrying it in my sleeve without it bulging out or getting stuck on the way out. The sleeves of his dress uniform don't seem to be all that wide..
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Post by johnny moniker on Feb 9, 2004 20:23:00 GMT -5
I've had a look at the footage where the cleric's weapon is reloaded via the sleeve magazine feeder. I believe that, although this is a pretty cool idea, the magazines are simply pushed in by an operator o/s. The alignment is quite specific, and would be difficult to achieve in reality.
Also, having a spring loaded delivery system and a magazine feeder and an augmented 92 up your sleeve would not only bulk up your sleeves but would weigh a Sh*t load.
The whole effect is achieved by various props and clever editing. ( I even suspected that the magazine sequence may have been shot using reverse photography, but I'm not sure.)
The very fact that we're discussing the availability of a device that doesn't exist, is a testement to the effectivness of the edit, and ultimately the film.
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Post by TrustKill on Feb 10, 2004 9:42:28 GMT -5
A company called Area 51 who made airsoft versions of the cleric pistols also made the sleve ejecter thing and magazine reloader but no pictures of them were released as they were for strictly Military and law enforcement. As any photos could aid someone making there own version and potentialy harm other people!They are illegal for civilians to own! -hahaha! you are totally lying. there are a number of concealed carry holsters that make much more sense than give military and law enforcement spring loaded sleeve holsters. besides, why would area 51, a customizer of airsoft equipment, be hired to produce such a system for the military? if you can prove me wrong then i will shut up, but as pyro said, "show me a link so i can actually believe you." |
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Post by johnny moniker on Feb 14, 2004 21:39:11 GMT -5
Ok, I'll admit it's mostly conjecture. However, based on strapping my Sig to my forearm and then putting a coat over it, I'd say it's pretty accurate. It's damn bulky! Shit, as for sticking a spring loaded magazine feeder up there too, you can forget it. I know about the alignment thing because I tried that too, just by trying to slide the mag in along the line of my forearm. It did go in, but maybe only once in every five attempts. Same results with my Glock, which was even bulkier than the Sig. I don't need to give you a link to know that that much hardware up your sleeve is just not practical. You're probably right though, you seem to be pretty clued in on this shit.
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Post by trench on Mar 18, 2004 17:48:43 GMT -5
Regarding the gun size vs sleeve issue: if you look carefully, I'm pretty sure that when Preston deploys one of his pistols in the Sweeper scene that the weapon is lacking a pistol grip.
I can't remember if its the first or second pistol, but its the one where the camera is low looking up at his torso and face, plus you can almost see up his sleeve as the pistol comes out. Right when it deploys, you can see that it doesn't have a grip as Preston kind of wraps his hand around the trigger guard and the back of this modified prop weapon (could have been sawed off right at the trigger guard). Lack of a grip would greatly facillitate the practical effect of an actuated deploy captured "live" on film, as it couldn't get hung up in the sleeve. The other sleeve deploys were shot as close ups and wouldn't require near as complex as rigging.
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Post by ScyithCleric on Apr 10, 2004 8:06:29 GMT -5
I agree with one of the earlier posts saying that there was a lot of meticulous editing in the gun deployment, and yes if guns could be shoved up the sleeves in real life, then the sleeves would weigh a shitload, not to mention extra clips of ammo. And due to the weight, he could possibly move his arms so fast with the swords and have extreme control, the inertia added would make it extremely hard to control a sword.
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Post by Jebus on May 8, 2004 6:19:14 GMT -5
Can't we just say that he does it all by magic?
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Post by Xor on May 10, 2004 2:48:54 GMT -5
yea i think you're right deimos. and some site mentioned that it might be 'robots', or more accurately to me, a mechanism hooked up to a biofeedback system. at this point in time i don't think it's a possible mechanism. at least not outside the military sector ;D Actually...we built 'biofeedback' (i.e. EMG (electromyogram) driven) devices in our UNDERGRADUATE FRESHMAN COLLEGE project class. So it's definitely possible...In fact, it might be cool to try and build some over summer. |
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Post by Preston on May 15, 2004 14:16:32 GMT -5
I agree with Rymel on the auto loader for the guns. More than one would be to heavey and wide. You would have to align you hand and gun in different positions. This message is for you "trench". When his guns come out and he grabs the barrel, it does look a lot like there is no hand grip. BUT THERE IS! At the polygraph test where the guns come out you see he has to move his thumb over the hammer and position his finger on the trigger. And Jebus. Jebus, Jebus, Jebus. There is no magic.
-Preston
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Post by Preston on May 15, 2004 14:30:47 GMT -5
For the last 13 days I have been constructing his sleeve holsters and it is going well. Love to share some frame by frame pics of them but can't seem to figure out how to post pics. Can anyone help? Please?
-Preston
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