Request for help with weapon descriptions.

[Libby]

I’m writing the sequel to my FanFic and got to thinking about the weaponry the Librians use.

There’s been lots of discussion about the type and make of guns/rifles and the modified Berettas used by the Clerics. As I said to Rymel and co, I don’t really know much about guns so I’d appreciate any help (and you’d get an acknowledgement at the start of the story).

I want to be able to describe the pistols and rifles in terms of their ‘Librian’-style looks and their performance. References to real-world weapons always use specific names; Beretta, Glock, Walther, AK assault rifles etc., but I doubt if these survive in post-apocalyptic Libria. I’d like to be able to use some specific information to enhance the story. Also, would there be a difference between weapons used by a man and those by a woman- or would the Tetragrammaton see that as irrelevant?

In ‘my’ PreEQ Libria, some of the sense offenders are not nice people: who’s to say there wouldn’t be drug/arms dealers and generally badass types? Just because you’re off the dose doesn’t mean you’re an art-loving, music aficionado with a penchant for collecting kitsch ornaments! They are heavily-armed and, in their own way, as unfeeling as the Cleric, which actually makes them worse, as this is their choice. I want to be able to reflect that.

Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated.

[JonF]

Interesting. Personally I don't think enough time has elapsed for those au fait with weapons to stop using trade names like Glock, Walther, etc even if those companies were bombed into dust 30 years ago. You'd find librian arms factories would be turning out copies of old designs simply because it would save resources (much as 3rd world and other countries do). Hence the Cleric's pistol, though clearly based upon a Beretta 92, would likely be called something else entirely (will try and think up name for you!) whereas a Resistance AK-47 would still be...an AK-47, since it was manufactured pre-apocalypse. But, had the Tetragrammation elected to choose the AK-47 to copy as a service rifle, it would likely have a different name. A real-world parallel would be the Chinese Type-56 rifle, a direct copy of the AK, but made by state factories.

Rifle-wise, the standard rifle seems to be the Heckler & Koch G36 series, I would guess these are state-made and have their own name/numbering system. However, other weapons you see the sweepers use aren't so standardised (FN-FALs, Walther MPL SMGs) so these may be pre-war guns. The short guns the sweepers carry in a corridor shot (seen in Stargate SG1 also) are FN P90s, and I would say these are Librian copies (just a guess on my part). Finally, it seems they've adapted the Walther WA2000 rifle design as some sort of pump-action shotgun; needless to say that's probably a Librian original

No sense offender group would ever have the wherewithall to manufacture weapons, so they would either be pre-war guns of personal choice and preference, or captured sweeper weapons. You could have one guy who's managed to (somehow) capture a Cleric's sidearm and has a serious rep because of it. Did he take it from a Cleric he killed? Your choice.

Gender-wise, if you accept that the Tetragrammaton would allow female Clerics (an area for debate) then its likely they would be able to select weapons designed for smaller hands, though not lesser strength (based on training, conditioning being able to improve those areas). Take the sidearm; the Beretta 92 has quite a large grip shape, so a female cleric's gun would either be based on a smaller framed pistol like the Beretta 84 (Trinity's gun from the Matrix movies) or the Beretta 92 Vertec guns, which have re-profiled grips for smaller hands but are the same size as the 92. To me, the Beretta 84 (needs Librian name too!) makes sense, as it resembles the 92 greatly, but looks 'right' in women's hands. Of course, it would be personal choice whether a female cleric chose the smaller gun (same calibre though) or the original we know already - everyone, despite Father's ideas, is different.

Hope that helps! Good luck with the fanfic.

[Libby]

Thank you for your time and trouble JonF. It certainly gives me a great deal of food for thought. Most appreciated. Welcome to the site, as a registered member, btw.

My main character isn't a female Cleric (I personally won't go down that road) and the sense offenders are well organised. You might want to take a look at the first story.

www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/dizzyinghighsabysmallow.htm

I'm also a great fan of Stargate: SG1! ;D

[Witcher Wolf]

Female Clerics!

What ever would Vincent think, er wait, no...don't answer that.

*hides*

[TrustKill]

i would assume, similarly to JonF, that most of the surviving weapons would be older style, more widely manufactured weapons. AK's and their many variants, SKS's, and possibly even older M-16 models. as for pistols, things like IMI Jerichos, browning HI-powers and CZ-75's and their variations are well dispersed. smg's would be things like uzi's, skorpions, and mac 11's.
-reasons being... these weapons exist anywhere in the world and are rugged enough to withstand the times of the tetragrammaton. besides all of that, its just cool to see sense offenders equipped with vintage weapons like Brens and garand rifles.

-TrustKill-

[Libby]

Cheers, TrustKill!

This is all really helpful. I can look up the specs and description of the weapons suggested and incorporate them. They will have Librian based idents, but will be recognisable. Thanks.

[TrustKill]

you're welcome. i tried to come up with some that have a really general and not so modern look to them. just sort of to set them apart technicalogically from the "civilized" folks. enjoy.

-TrustKill-

[Eihtball]

JonF said:

However, other weapons you see the sweepers use aren't so standardised (FN-FALs, Walther MPL SMGs) so these may be pre-war guns.

Where were the FN FALs' in the movie? I didn't see any. Do you the Beretta AR-70s'?

[JonF]

Quite right, I was thinking of the AR-70s! Rare guns in the movies...

[Eihtball]

Indeed, I think this is pretty much the only movie in which the AR-70 appears, at least that I've seen.

I used to own an AR-70, but I sold it (a bad idea, in retrospect). Then again, they tend to be cheap even at the pre-ban prices, so maybe I'll buy one again if Beretta U.S.A. produces them for civilian sales after the AWB expires.