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Post by sabeltandcavia on May 8, 2003 12:32:09 GMT -5
FIRST I must say that I think Equilibrium is an AWESOME movie. However, what I have to say here isn't all positive.. don't flame me for posting this message.. it's just details that bother me in this otherwise excellent movie! Ok I hate to bring up the gun swap issue again, but the thing just really bothers me. What is the most likely theory now? That the gun is switched at the 'glass wall execution'? But that doesn't take in account one detail: Brandt hands him one gun.. and Preston hands Brandt another gun.. BUT, when he killed those men in the Nethers, he used BOTH his guns, so even if he did swap his gun there.. or in the scenes where they kill the dogs, there still would be another gun, right? [[It's been a while since I last saw the movie, so the quotes may not be 100% accurate, you'll know what I mean though.]] Another thing that I find strange: when Preston is granted an audience with Father, he is asked for his SWORD, yet his test question is (something like): what would you say is the easiest way to take the guns from a Cleric? And then Brandt says: You ask for them. That leads to another thing... he is required to give up his sword and take a polygraph test.. but wouldn't it make sense to use a metal detector first, or at least search him for weapons as standard procedure? "if you break father's personal security circle, you will immediately be put down by snipers." WHAT SNIPERS?? There are NO snipers! Nobody feels any emotion, but then why is everybody standing up and applauding after father's speech? Why does Brandt seem so proud that he unmasked Preston? Why is he mad and scared when he himself is arrested? Why would Brandt even care about making a carreer? Why would the flames of the incineration cabin explode at street level if the airlock was opened? Wouldn't the flames shoot trough the tunnels or something instead? At the signal, everybody just stops and takes his dose of Prozium. Not the Clerics though.. their signal comes from their watches, and isn't synchronized with the general signal. Why does he need to go by a destribution point to replace his dose? If it's so important, wouldn't he have a bigger supply in his house? The injection gun holds more ampuls of Prozium too... And what about the dog? Obviously he never had the dog tested for disease.. didn't that raise any questions? Then he goes back to the Nethers to release the dog... but what after that scene?? He has his appartment searched, but the dog isn't there. But then at the end of the movie, the dog is licking the girl's hand under the table... These are just some things that I find somewhat annoying. EQ is still a great movie though, I just wish a little more attention was given to details like this..
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Post by kingdaywalker on May 8, 2003 15:12:17 GMT -5
Ok I hate to bring up the gun swap issue again, but the thing just really bothers me. What is the most likely theory now? That the gun is switched at the 'glass wall execution'? But that doesn't take in account one detail: Brandt hands him one gun.. and Preston hands Brandt another gun.. BUT, when he killed those men in the Nethers, he used BOTH his guns, so even if he did swap his gun there.. or in the scenes where they kill the dogs, there still would be another gun, right? when they said they ran a trace they said they ran it on a "side arm" so they only ran a trace on one gun
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Post by JenGe on May 8, 2003 16:28:08 GMT -5
but wouldn't it make sense to use a metal detector first, or at least search him for weapons as standard procedure? Covered...see here... equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&&thread=1051895953&&start=9#0This is in reference to the "gun swap" and not the sword. Must characters always tell the truth?? Because he IS feeling...see what I just posted here... equilibrium.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1052420382Do you know where those tunnels lead?? Could be street level. Besides my husband works for a power company and there are many transformers above ground. Do we know where these incinerators lead, if they have other functions such as power generation?? Do I want to waste my time in the theater being told?? Not really. This is where deductive reasoning is nice. Huuummm...not sure where you got that idea from. ?? Why should that raise questions if Preston was being railroaded and they knew his every move? Of course they knew the dog wasn't tested. They didn't care because it was just another way for them to manipulate Preston into feeling a sense of security and that he was winning. Maybe he took the dog to Jurgen for save keeping. You know...in the underground...or....Maybe they ate the first dog and that was a different puppy...(oooppsss!!! SMACK!!! ;D)
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Post by Ark on May 9, 2003 4:24:06 GMT -5
May be he was hunger ;D
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Post by JenGe on May 9, 2003 9:56:44 GMT -5
Hey Ark, there are so many new people around here the last few days I can't remember if I welcomed you yet or not.
It's great to see another voice in the group!!
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Post by Ark on May 9, 2003 10:47:36 GMT -5
Jen, i am going to join this forum ))) not to post some messages and go away )))
But I know english badly, so you can see )))
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Post by Balehead on May 9, 2003 19:52:40 GMT -5
The test question is: What would you say is the easiest way to get a weapon away from a Gramaton Cleric? And Brandt says: You ask him for it. They actually didn't say anything about guns. Hopefully I helped you be less confused about this scene.
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Post by Ark on May 9, 2003 23:54:25 GMT -5
Brandt was thinking that preston have np guns...
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Post by 1st post on May 11, 2003 10:37:38 GMT -5
Well theres many views and answers on your questions, but ill explain my views as best as possible.
"The Gun swap issue"- See the way i look at it, is that the most likely place that they were swapped was just before the excutition. Theres even a flashback to this exuction scene when Preston had claimed Diggs charcter was the one responsible. Now the most common reply to this theory is "but that happens after Bale kills the Sweeper team". Thats exactly right. You see Preston wouldnt have switched the guns before the accident took place, because there was no way that he could have foreseen the killing of that Sweeper team. However after he did kill them off, he THEN ONLY REALIZED, that he had to get that gun out of his hand, cause if a trace came back and he was left holding it...hed be in deep sh!t. So he then swapped it with Diggs charcter to cover his butt in case they traced it. Which they did do.
"you ask for it"- As someone else had stated, he was asked whats the easiest way to take away a weapon from a cleric. Meaning it could have been a sword. But i think his answer had no relavents to the actual question, it was just him refering to the gun swaping.
"metal dectors"- I too noticed this, but someone else had cleared this up.
"snipers"- It could have been those 40 guys in the hall with guns, they werent really "sniping" him per say. But they were certainly gunning for him. It also could have refered to the group that awaited preston inside Fathers office with the swords...which they opted to use instead of guns. He could have used the term "snipers" loosely. For example if you have ever played a FPS and you managed to kill someone in one hit, the phrase " I sniped him" is sometime used. Granted you werent ontop of a hill with a actual sniper gun when the frag took place, but you phrased it as such.
"Brandt"- Like many people have said i believe Brandt was feeling, it was a freedom he got for helping out "father". Dont forget he was Fathers right hand man, he was one of the few people to actually know who "father" really was. Seeing as tho Father himself stopped taking his doses, why wouldnt it be likely for his main man to do the same. As someone had also said Brandt had even made a refrence to adjusting his interviels early in the movie.
"incineration cabin"- As someone else had also said, we have no idea where those tunnels lead. Obviously they must somehow reach the surface. But dont forget even if it wouldnt have reached the surface, what good would opening up the chamber do anyway? Then everyone would have died, even Preston.
"Clerics Prozium" - I really dont recall that. I never remmbered seeing a cleric outside with the public when it was time for there dose. Therefor one could never truely know if the clerics watches are in tune with everyone elses dose time or not.
"Prozium replacements" - The reason why is so they know everyone is taking there doses. What if they suspected someone wasnt and they searched there house to find Prozium. The accused could have just as easily say "oh those are extras". But seeing as tho that they have to report for a replacement everything is kept on record...there only giving as much as they need, meaning they need to use every dose...therefor if a searh on a possible sense offender came out with a extra dose, they know he/she didnt take it
"The dog"- The real question is where did preston put the dog. Dont forget up intill the point where they searched the house Preseton was under the impression that his kids where taking there doses. Being so, he couldnt have just showed up with a dog, cause his kids would have question it. The only time the dog could have entered the house was after the search took place, cause it only then when Preston realized his kids stopped taking there doses also.
I hope that helps :-)
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Post by DreamTheater on May 11, 2003 10:56:06 GMT -5
Oh yea two more things
1) Also About the dog...as someone else had stated they probably did know. However Preston probably thought no one would even bother to check. Dont forget he was the highest ranking Cleric there was..therefor one might think the only other person that could manage to snope around his affairs was father himself, or someone else from the "higher order". Also you could also assume no one would even question him cause of the soul fact of who he was. Kinda like what happen when those motorcycle guys wanted to search his trunk. They were hell bent on doing so, but as soon as they realized who he was, they stopped and apologized and were just about to leave without even checking anything or asking anymore questions.
2) Can you edit your own post? If so, how, and where? If not you should add that in as a feature for user...that way people dont have to double post, as i am doing right now
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Post by JenGe on May 11, 2003 18:19:19 GMT -5
Welcome DreamTheater!! Excellent post!! I enjoy seeing deductive reasoning at work!!
About the editing, you have to be registered and logged in to use it...I see though that you've already joined us.
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Post by skippythegator on May 11, 2003 21:30:18 GMT -5
about the gun swap - I've looked at the pistol-whipping scene several times, and if you look closely you can see that only one gun is labelled "Preston". Before he starts fighting, when the metal studs pop out, the labelled gun appears to be his right-hand weapon. As far as I can tell, the other gun isn't labelled at all.
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Post by Ark on May 11, 2003 21:53:02 GMT -5
Heh!.. Why this gun has no label?
May be it belong to Brandt?
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Post by MrsPreston on May 12, 2003 7:29:32 GMT -5
Heh!.. Why this gun has no label? May be it belong to Brandt? Only 1 of the 2 guns he has, has a label Others have suggested that the one with no label is the one where the 'butts' come out.
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Post by JenGe on May 12, 2003 9:52:31 GMT -5
I'm 100% positive that with those type of firearms almost all loading is from a magazine (ie clip) into the butt of the gun so all of the guns would have removable mags . Note - I do realize though that one could technically chamber a single round as well from the top though this is seldom if ever used in film.
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Post by Ark on May 12, 2003 23:02:51 GMT -5
Uh... Now i understand!..
I really don't know english well, sorry...
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