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Post by Aedh on Mar 24, 2008 22:42:47 GMT -5
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I dunno ... no disrepect or anything ... but I read this and I just get a sinking feeling ... like, what's in it for Bale really?? If the project goes ahead, and succeeds ultimately, then--what? he's known as one of the best Batmen ever? But he already is known as that. And the same, mutatis mutandis, for Nolan.
And if the project goes ahead and is bad, then Bale goes down in history as a great-Batman-for-awhile who wound up starring in a stinker finally. And you know it's gonna take three years or something ... and all the hype and promo mind games and stuff.
I dunno ... *sigh* it's just that ... well, back in 1989, waiting for "a new Batman movie" was kinda fresh. In the '90s we kept it going, looking for a new twist ... and the two latest movies have kept things somewhat interesting. But what are they gonna do for a new project that makes it fresh? As far as I'm concerned, they've now got to give me a really good reason to go back and fork over more money to see Batsy yet again.
Sometimes I think they oughtta embargo certain superheroes for awhile. Batman ... Superman ... Spiderman ... X-Men ... you know. Can 'em until about 2030. It's not like there aren't other heroes/superheroes out there who can't use a turn. Captain Marvel, anyone? Nick Carter? What about Cable getting one of his own? Or Green Lantern?--don't tell me that FX-happy P/D's coudn't do something with a character who has the ability to create stuff at will! Or my personal nominations--Silver Sable, or *ahem ... deep breath* PERRY RHODAN??
I mean, come on you producers and directors!! Instead of doing the same three movies over and over again, mixing in bit of this and a piece of that ... can we try something REALLY NEW?! Or, at least, something from the attic that's way overdue for a dust-off, instead of something that was done in the last decade?
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Post by Libby on Mar 25, 2008 5:12:12 GMT -5
Haven't really been keeping up with this but Aedh's comments got me rattled...I'd had warm fuzzies believing nothing could really go wrong. [rant] I dunno ... no disrepect or anything ... but I read this and I just get a sinking feeling ... like, what's in it for Bale really?? If the project goes ahead, and succeeds ultimately, then--what? he's known as one of the best Batmen ever? But he already is known as that. And the same, mutatis mutandis, for Nolan. And if the project goes ahead and is bad, then Bale goes down in history as a great-Batman-for-awhile who wound up starring in a stinker finally. And you know it's gonna take three years or something ... and all the hype and promo mind games and stuff. I dunno ... *sigh* it's just that ... well, back in 1989, waiting for "a new Batman movie" was kinda fresh. In the '90s we kept it going, looking for a new twist ... and the two latest movies have kept things somewhat interesting. But what are they gonna do for a new project that makes it fresh? As far as I'm concerned, they've now got to give me a really good reason to go back and fork over more money to see Batsy yet again. Sometimes I think they oughtta embargo certain superheroes for awhile. Batman ... Superman ... Spiderman ... X-Men ... you know. Can 'em until about 2030. It's not like there aren't other heroes/superheroes out there who can't use a turn. Captain Marvel, anyone? Nick Carter? What about Cable getting one of his own? Or Green Lantern?--don't tell me that FX-happy P/D's coudn't do something with a character who has the ability to create stuff at will! Or my personal nominations--Silver Sable, or * ahem ... deep breath* PERRY RHODAN?? I mean, come on you producers and directors!! Instead of doing the same three movies over and over again, mixing in bit of this and a piece of that ... can we try something REALLY NEW?! Or, at least, something from the attic that's way overdue for a dust-off, instead of something that was done in the last decade? [/rant] I assumed the third Batman would retread the Two-Face story because Harvey Jones is in DK. Please....NO Catwoman!! Or Penguin!! I tend to agree with the 'leave it alone for awhile' view. I really hope there are no more X-Men even if the film did leave it open for a Xavier comeback...though obviously not with Patrick Stewart. Superman Returns left me cold...the guy (whose name escapes me) had no charisma and an awful suit. Now you're talking! I have fond memories of Saturday morning cliffhangers at the local flea-pit. Shazam!!! And Amazon are selling a translation of Lemuria 1 Star Ark:1
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Post by Libby on Mar 25, 2008 6:04:22 GMT -5
Personally I vote for a Dangermouse live action movie!! *ducks and runs* *sings: Danger Mouse!* Having just watched 'The Colour of Magic', David Jason is amazing too!
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Post by Aedh on Mar 25, 2008 8:59:05 GMT -5
Having deftly hijacked this thread ... which is where the "Evil Genius" title comes from ... I think we oughtta take it over to the Nethers Pub where I've started a new thread and poll.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled 'Dark Knight' topic.
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Post by aikidoal on Apr 2, 2008 16:23:02 GMT -5
Haven't really been keeping up with this but Aedh's comments got me rattled...I'd had warm fuzzies believing nothing could really go wrong. It won't. I trust Nolan to do things right for this one and the third muttered about film. As long as Nolan is directing and they keep the core cast, things should be golden. His vision and sensibilities so far have been rock solid. They've got an arc starting with the Joker and Two-Face, and I can see some follow-through as opposed to just doing a "villian of the week" approach. In the past, the franchise suffered from studio involvement (Batman Returns and probably the stupid producers) and then handing over the reins to a director who had a neon fetish. And to compare the film to X-Men, Bryan Singer with the X-Men got distracted with Superman, which pretty much roshambo'd it's third installment. I doubt anyone in this vision of Batman wants to continue after a third film. There is already projects ahead for them beyond the Batman franchise. What will happen instead is the studio will attempt to replace Nolan and the cast and create a fiasco which will die horribly.
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Post by Libby on Apr 2, 2008 17:12:00 GMT -5
Yes...I think Nolan's got his head screwed on right. It's always worrying that a film can be hijacked and kyboshed.
I don't think I'd want it go beyond a third film, either. I can't see CB wanting to commit so far ahead. I did feel X-men left it open for a follow-up, but I wouldn't want another without Xavier/Stewart.
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Post by dsolidsnake on Apr 2, 2008 18:42:14 GMT -5
you know how studios are libby they will get greedy as hell and try to continue the series some hiw with out bale and nolan after the third part. And as for Stewart I could not agree more with you I always told myself if they ever made an X-Men film they should use patrick for Xavier. I can't see anyone else taking up that mantle.
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Post by Libby on Apr 3, 2008 4:24:31 GMT -5
you know how studios are libby they will get greedy as hell and try to continue the series some hiw with out bale and nolan after the third part. And as for Stewart I could not agree more with you I always told myself if they ever made an X-Men film they should use patrick for Xavier. I can't see anyone else taking up that mantle. I can just imagine it....Batman XIII: The Grey Knight *shudders* As for Patrick Stewart, the man's a brilliant actor,( as a total Trekker he's the definitive Enterprise Captain) I had the privilege of meeting him (albeit briefly) after a performance of the Master Builder (at Malvern Theatre in Worcestershire) and we've tickets for the RSC in Stratford to see him as Claudius plus getting to see David Tennant as Hamlet!
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Post by Aedh on Apr 3, 2008 12:40:49 GMT -5
I can just imagine it....Batman XIII: The Grey Knight *shudders* BATMAN (looks--pointing a bony, arthritic finger): Look ... the Bat Ffignal! I mufft go at wunf! *mottled knuckles tremble as he grips his chair arms* CATWOMAN (Mrs Batsy for the last sixteen years): Well, put your dentures in first, ya ol' coot. *rearranges her knitting on her lap* BM: Uf courfe! *sticks apparati in using his special Bat-O-Fix adhesive* BM: Ah ... that's better. Now ... I must go at once! *trembling ... just manages to get up after about four minutes* Alfred ... prepare the-- CW: Dear, Alfred passed away thirty years ago. He'd be 119 if he were still alive. BM: Yes, dear. Well, no matter ... onward! *seats himself in the motorised Bat-Rascal wheelchair* I'm off, my love. CW: Where to, did ya say? BM ('senior moment' striking): To ... to ... um ... I don't remember now, dang it. CW (slyly): We were going to Bat Beano at the Wayne Senior Centre, I believe? It is Tuesday you know. Liver and onions night--your favourite! BM: Liver and onions ... mmmmmm! CW (affectionate twinkle): Ya ol' coot, you!
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Post by aikidoal on Apr 9, 2008 11:55:10 GMT -5
you know how studios are libby they will get greedy as hell and try to continue the series some hiw with out bale and nolan after the third part. They can try that, but it won't work for me. I don't acknowledge any Highlander film past the first one!
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Post by Libby on Apr 9, 2008 16:23:19 GMT -5
you know how studios are libby they will get greedy as hell and try to continue the series some hiw with out bale and nolan after the third part. They can try that, but it won't work for me. I don't acknowledge any Highlander film past the first one! That's another of my almost-worn-out dvds!
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Post by dsolidsnake on Apr 9, 2008 16:40:14 GMT -5
Highlander 2 is the one with sean connery right. Cause that is the most overpraised piece of garbage i have ever seen. 3 sucked but it was a better improvement from 2. But i was a bigger fan of the show only wished it was violent like the movies series. Was the anime good I have been hearing good stuff about it.
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Post by aikidoal on Apr 29, 2008 12:17:22 GMT -5
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Post by ginxy on Apr 29, 2008 14:05:03 GMT -5
www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/177 - Just in case you can't wait for Sunday's new trailer I personally don't think of Bale only as 'The Best Batman Ever' and a lot of other fans don't either. I have many friends that were introduced to Bale as an actor through Batman Begins - then went on to look for other works he's done. I think, if anything, that it will just allow him to pick and choose more movies that he'd like to be in - I seriously doubt he'll be typecast as Batman or a Hero forever - he's a very versitile actor and I think that the audiences in the mass are finally beginning to see that. Now if Bale had done a buncha of Batman type films right in a row, or just did Batman and didn't work on anything else - then yeah it would be bad for him - The man knows what he's doing - that goes the same for Nolan.
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Post by ginxy on May 4, 2008 10:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by Walldude on May 8, 2008 19:57:34 GMT -5
Saw a new trailer with Iron Man. It looks pretty good to me. Lots of Ledger in the new trailer and I think he's going to make a good Joker. I do agree with Adeh that after this one they need to give it a rest though. Bring on THOR!!
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Post by ginxy on Jul 2, 2008 13:00:15 GMT -5
Can't wait for the movie - it's looking to be good. "And make no mistake... these films matter. If you're a fan of film... not just comic-book movies, and not just nerd genre movies, but film of any kind... then you owe it to yourself to see both THE DARK KNIGHT and HELLBOY 2: THE GOLDEN ARMY in the theater, on the best screen you can find. These are big theatrical films, huge in scale, obviously high-tech in terms of film craft, but they're more than that... ... these films are art. Real art. Undeniable art. Adult films about adult ideas. Richly imagined, beautifully acted by some tremendous ensembles, these are both films that represent the very best of what can happen when the right filmmaker gets hold of the right source material and then makes all the right choices." " It took me a while to settle into the rhythms of THE DARK KNIGHT because it wasn't anything I expected it to be. Even having seen the prologue on the bigscreen once before, I didn't get what tone Nolan was going to hit with this film, and as the film's first act played out, I realized just how far he was willing to go, and it left me nervous, off-balance, exactly the way a film featuring the Joker should. For the first time ever, I felt like anything could happen whenever he would shamble onscreen, looking like something that just crawled out of a wet grave. I've always felt that when the Joker makes a joke, he should be the only one who laughs while everyone else is busy cowering in fear or throwing up. Well, looks like Chris and Jonah Nolan feel the same way, because this is a vile tornado of suffering that sweeps through Gotham, a destructive force in clown makeup, his facial scars a mere hint of just how twisted he is inside. He's not a villain like we normally see in these movies, and he's not even the Joker we normally see in Batman stories. He's the film's grand metaphor, given voice by an actor who vanishes into the role, and he's only one of the many merits of THE DARK KNIGHT." he does say that people shouldn't compare it to Godfather or StarWars because then some people go into the movie with a 'chip on their shoulders' about this movie trying to compete with classics. It's good and it holds its own....nothing to compare seriously..... excited www.aintitcool.com/node/37285 SPOILERs in the link... keep that in mind.
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Post by Vespertilio on Jul 18, 2008 1:28:14 GMT -5
...As for Patrick Stewart, the man's a brilliant actor,( as a total Trekker he's the definitive Enterprise Captain) I had the privilege of meeting him (albeit briefly) after a performance of the Master Builder (at Malvern Theatre in Worcestershire) and we've tickets for the RSC in Stratford to see him as Claudius plus getting to see David Tennant as Hamlet! I'll be seeing that as well. ;D I'm just waiting on booking my airplane tickets till I see which airlines are still in business come this fall. [/back on topic ] I'll be seeing Dark Knight on the big ol' IMAX screen tomorrow. First theatrical (non-documentary) film on that kind of screen for me. EeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEeeeeeeEEEEEEeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by ginxy on Jul 18, 2008 11:26:02 GMT -5
THE DARK KNIGHT - and I just have to say that this movie was AWESOME!!!!!
Caught the midnight showing!
No spoilers
The movie has suspense, twists, turns, good dialogue, good action, surprises, and was just a good movie!
I thought everyone did a fantastic job and that the movie flowed well. Ledger's performance was iconic - he really blew me away.
They did a good job with showing that Batman was torn on how far he should go and that the Joker loved to push people and see what would happen. Different personalities but very similar creatures. Also loved Two Face.
Loved the soundtrack but disappointed that the main theme music that was throughout the movie isn't really on the soundtrack - at least not in a big chunk anyway.
They did not show the tribute to Ledger at the end - guess that'll be on the dvd. I guess they only did that for the premiere.
Preview for Watchmen and Terminator:Salvation were awesome too - looking forward to those movies - there were about 10 previews but I only remember those two.......
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Post by Vespertilio on Jul 18, 2008 19:59:42 GMT -5
All I can say in addition to Ginxy's review is IT WAS TEH AWESOME!!! I saw it on IMAX, no trailers ( ). It runs about 2 1/2 hours (watch slurping down the big drinks!) and was packed with action! Not a wasted moment, just as intense for what they chose not to show as what they did. The fight sequences were more clearly choreographed, though still not Wimmer quality (a familiar face shows up at the beginning of the film). Definitely one to see on the big screen.
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Post by Aedh on Jul 23, 2008 0:34:07 GMT -5
Saw it this evening ... good flick! I'm glad I shifted orbit and saw this one in a theatre. Well-done overall, great FX and production and good action.
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Post by TheKaiser on Jul 24, 2008 1:23:50 GMT -5
Saw it this evening ... good flick! I'm glad I shifted orbit and saw this one in a theatre. Well-done overall, great FX and production and good action. ***MILD SPOILER*** 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 Read backwards!! .career his away throw to him for motivation weak a rather was friend girl his losing that thought I .chara Dent Harvey the in was disappointment only my ,writer a AsI dunno. His motivation is often weaker in the comics. I mean the acid splash is all that really pushes him over the edge in the stellar Long Halloween.
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Post by Aedh on Jul 24, 2008 5:27:01 GMT -5
I dunno. His motivation is often weaker in the comics. Well, not having read the comic I can't really address that. I don't know if, in the comic, he intentionally let that situation stand because of his bitterness over the girl, or not, which is what it looked like to me here. But in the end that's not a really big thing to me. I only mentioned it because it was the one minor matter that kinda bothered me a little.
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Post by Walldude on Jul 24, 2008 11:24:55 GMT -5
Hmmm.. Ledger was spellbinding. Just amazing. However I was not as thrilled with the movie as a whole as most people. It was too long and there were a couple of seriously weak points, the first being the one Aedh mentioned and the other was the same complaint I had about Hancock and many other Superhero movies (Spoiler below) . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . Once again they feel the need to either strip a hero of his powers or have him "quit" being a hero to move the plot along. Gimme a freaking break with that already.
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Post by Vespertilio on Jul 24, 2008 12:25:27 GMT -5
Hmmm.. Ledger was spellbinding. Just amazing. However I was not as thrilled with the movie as a whole as most people. It was too long and there were a couple of seriously weak points, the first being the one Aedh mentioned and the other was the same complaint I had about Hancock and many other Superhero movies (Spoiler below) . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . Once again they feel the need to either strip a hero of his powers or have him "quit" being a hero to move the plot along. Gimme a freaking break with that already. **WARNING**SPOILERY COMMENTS** * * * * * * * * * I wasn't terribly shocked by Rachel's death since she was created specifically for the movie. I do agree that perhaps a little more revelation of Dent's psyche would have made his movie transformation more believable, but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I think Batman: The Animated Series gave the best origin story for poor ol' Harvey, it's too bad they couldn't have used at least some elements from that in the movie. I saw the "fallen hero" ending as a set up for the next film, so while a depressing ending in a dark film, again, not a deal breaker for me. I'll have to see it a second time on a regular screen to give it a more critical viewing.
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Post by BlackDragon on Jul 26, 2008 7:02:51 GMT -5
I saw the movie yesterday and .... I reallly can't find the right words to describe what I felt (and still feel)... Everything that I could say would be a poor boarding of the true soul of this spectacular movie.
Actually ginxy, there was a small tribute to Heath in the end. At least in the copy that I saw there was one!
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Post by JenGe on Jul 28, 2008 14:21:20 GMT -5
Hmmm.. Ledger was spellbinding. Just amazing. However I was not as thrilled with the movie as a whole as most people. It was too long and there were a couple of seriously weak points, the first being the one Aedh mentioned and the other was the same complaint I had about Hancock and many other Superhero movies (Spoiler below) . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . Once again they feel the need to either strip a hero of his powers or have him "quit" being a hero to move the plot along. Gimme a freaking break with that already. I'm with Walldude on this one. I loved Ledger but certain feel the roll was not worth his life since it will always been known as the one that killed him. It was too long with scenes that really needed to be omited...Why did he go to Hong Kong?? Why the doubles in Batsuits?? Too many weak subplots that really went nowhere. The scenes with Dent and Joker were brilliant in my opinion but I do think that they completely underused Bale and almost made it the Dent/Joker show. To be completely fair though, to get good seats for Batman we caught the last showing of The Hulk. I have to say it blew me away. I loved it. Then when The Dark Knight started and the opening just kept plodding along I wanted Marvel Studio to come in and cut it to the chase.
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Post by ginxy on Aug 27, 2008 12:47:53 GMT -5
Super sweet movie - it had it's flaws and batman wasn't in it enough and sometimes he was hard to understand - but overall I really enjoyed the movie.
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Post by aikidoal on Sept 20, 2008 21:01:39 GMT -5
No disappointments here, and I have no issues with it's length. A truly good film, everyone was in fine form.
No one mentioned the moment I thought was totally Preston...when the henchman calls Wayne "pretty boy" and without a beat he disarms him, takes him out, and keeps walking.
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Post by Wraith on Oct 21, 2008 19:57:59 GMT -5
This was the only new movie I was able to see on my cruise. I didn't have the privilege of watching it in the theater, but it was f***ing brilliant.
Joker is brilliant. Heath Ledger had a hard act to follow, but he just blew the thing out of the water.
And then there's the "Pencil Scene" I'm not going to give it away, but it summed up the greatness of this movie in the same way the Urination scene summed up the crappiness of the Transformers movie.
Story is wonderful. Intelligent, suspenseful, and full of twists and shocks you wouldn't expect.
I have a few nitpicky complaints, though. I didn't like the score. There were some good themes here and there, but their decision to almost not score the movie seemed a bit lazy and pretentious to me. There are good ambient soundtracks out there, but I don't think this was one of them. Another complaint was that Batman was almost a secondary character in the film. It seemed to focus more on developing Dent and the Joker, but it worked out ok. I also didn't like the closing narration, which I thought was pretty corny.
It makes Batman Begins look like a joke an it's on the par with the 1989 Batman, maybe even a little better. Overall: 10/10
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