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Post by Ark on May 8, 2003 13:59:42 GMT -5
*subject*
So why?
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Post by JenGe on May 8, 2003 16:04:02 GMT -5
Because he is FEELING...something.... [/size][/quote] Your biggest clue comes when Brandt is side by side in the ornate room with DuPont. They are both sense offenders and hypocrits. The same rules they are willing to kill for do not apply to themselves. For more discussions and ideas see IMDb here... us.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/board/nest/1240599?d=1243936#1243936 |
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Ark
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Post by Ark on May 8, 2003 21:26:10 GMT -5
Yes, now I understand. Thanx.
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Post by koalabear on May 10, 2003 22:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by JenGe on May 10, 2003 23:16:52 GMT -5
Hey thanks koalabear,
I'm going to wait this time though so I can enjoy the commentary for the first time while I watch the DVD. I really hate too many spoilers and I think actually seeing the film while Wimmer is discussing it is ideal. Thanks for your help though. I'm sure those out of R1 will enjoy it.
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Post by MrsPreston on May 11, 2003 9:31:18 GMT -5
THANX LOADS koalabear for all those clips, GREAT!!  |
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Post by Trinity on Jun 14, 2003 22:08:02 GMT -5
Because he is FEELING...something.... Your biggest clue comes when Brandt is side by side in the ornate room with DuPont. They are both sense offenders and hypocrites. The same rules they are willing to kill for do not apply to themselves. Yes, absolutely. I, too, wondered why Brandt was smiling and showing some emotion. Particularly when he arrests Preston and declares angrily to the public that Preston is feeling. And then, in the end, when Brandt is side by side DuPont in the ornate room, I realized why he was smiling. He was also feeling, a Sense Offender, a hypocrite. DuPont shows it when he slams his fist on the desk in anger and asks Preston if he is playing with him. He and Brandt are in it together and I believe they are both Sense Offenders. I also noted Brandt's reference to getting his Interval adjusted. This should also clue the viewer in to the fact that he is feeling. Thanks!  |
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Post by Balehead on Jun 15, 2003 19:03:13 GMT -5
I also remember Wimmer saying something about how Prozium just eliminates the highs and lows of emotion but still leaves the essential person behind. He wanted them to keep their character and personality, otherwise they'd all be zombies.
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Post by Maitreya on Sept 3, 2003 21:39:13 GMT -5
I always thought that Prozium isn't as effective as people think it is, and/or that its a placebo and the masses are brainwashed into believing that it works.
Just look at Preston, I didn't believe for once that the Prozium ever got to him completely.
For one: Preston is definitely an Empath, as most Clerics are to a degree probably.
That means he feels what others, as they are feeling it.
He seems to be on constant guard, given his sharp, and wary replies to Partridge's and DuPont's questions: " It does?" and " How did you feel?"
The main thing that cinches it for me, is the relationship between him and his wife...
He never caught her because he mutually loved her too, and didn't even know it, and Prozium couldn't erase that. Preston, must feel something about her death, as implied by the scene in the bedroom where he turns to the empty side of the bed and remembers her. If he didn't feel anything for her, the memory of Viviana and her death would be just another unfortunate, meaningless, incident in his life and Preston would never look back on it again.
Then there's Partridge:
The man's been doping up on Prozium since forever, and even after he colluded with the Resistance. It didn't seem to affect his motives, and actions whatsoever, nor did seem to put any real damper on his emotions either given his disgust with Preston, and a sense of betrayal when its his partner who comes to get him. Or maybe that's why the Tetragrammaton eliminate sense offenders on the spot, without even trying to rehabilitate them, because once you've been off the drug its no longer as effective at all.
So.... Does Prozium even work, or is it an elaborate placebo/propaganda machine thats duped the whole world into believing in its infallibility?
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Sept 3, 2003 21:50:31 GMT -5
Just like all drugs, some affect people more strongly then others. It comes down to individuality. Though some believe it's working on them, it isn't In the case of Brandt, this could very well be the case, meriting a change in his interval or dosage... |
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Post by ClericRyan on Sept 4, 2003 7:55:58 GMT -5
I think I might get my interval adjusted
Also it is important to mention, that although human emotion is being subdued by prozium, human muscle movements could never be changed by a drug. The smile is ingrained in our mannerisms, even if we are not happy, the smile will pop out once in a while. Its like instinct.
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Post by Trinity on Sept 4, 2003 18:30:42 GMT -5
I always thought that Prozium isn't as effective as people think it is, and/or that its a placebo and the masses are brainwashed into believing that it works. Just look at Preston, I didn't believe for once that the Prozium ever got to him completely. I agree that Prozium did not get to Preston completely. But I do think it worked somewhat. I'm thinking this due to Preston's blank face of determination in the first fight scene right before they knock down the door. And I'm not sure whether Partridge was even dosing at all. I suspect in the car when they show Partridge dosing, that he is faking...not sure. I'm thinking of the same scene, where they show Preston's determined unblinking face, and then pan over to Partridge, who looks sidelong at Preston and is clearly feeling. |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 4, 2003 19:08:38 GMT -5
I think I might get my interval adjusted Also it is important to mention, that although human emotion is being subdued by prozium, human muscle movements could never be changed by a drug. The smile is ingrained in our mannerisms, even if we are not happy, the smile will pop out once in a while. Its like instinct. Good point. I always saw Brandt's smile as an empty smile. |
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Post by ClericRyan on Sept 4, 2003 23:58:29 GMT -5
Good point. I always saw Brandt's smile as an empty smile. you are so right, it is the most fake looking smile, almost fiendish |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Sept 5, 2003 11:41:40 GMT -5
And I'm not sure whether Partridge was even dosing at all. I suspect in the car when they show Partridge dosing, that he is faking...not sure. Partridge had to have been dosing... If you remember, he responds to Preston's question with a question "it does?", and then when he doses, his response is in agreement "it does." The thing here is that Partridge now understands what Prozium does and has gone to great lengths to still use the it to disguise his alterior motive... Talk about an awesome cleric..!! But that's another thread ;D Brandt is plain eviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil..!! |
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Post by xmarksthespot on Sept 5, 2003 12:53:52 GMT -5
Oh, come on, Cleric B. That line "It does." is an obvious camouflage. Preston's reaction to Partridge's doubtful remark clearly must have warned him that he'd let down his guard by daring to question the ultimate glory of Libria. So he quickly made up for it by stepping back into the patterns that were expected from him. |
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Sept 5, 2003 13:34:51 GMT -5
 Think about it..... If they are checking to make sure that Partridge is taking his interval, then I, as Partridge, would still take Prozium. If my mind is already made up to do something, then a drug like Prozium is not going to change that. All it will do is curb my somewhat emotional inflections. Having been on an anti-depressant, I know what kind of effect it has. But it certainly doesn't change the fact that I can joke or show some emotion, if it helps to get my point across in conversation... But, fear not......I see your point clearly All I was trying to get across is that Partridge is still taking Prozium. He's beyond its effects because he is in control. |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 5, 2003 14:27:04 GMT -5
Partridge had to have been dosing... If you remember, he responds to Preston's question with a question "it does?", and then when he doses, his response is in agreement "it does." The thing here is that Partridge now understands what Prozium does and has gone to great lengths to still use the it to disguise his alterior motive... Talk about an awesome cleric..!! However, did you think that perhaps Partridge knew he replied with emotion, "It does?", and sought to correct his flub after pretending to take the Prozium by then changing his reply to, "It does."  ;D |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 5, 2003 14:29:52 GMT -5
Gosh, I can't make up my mind now. Was Partridge dosing or not? I'm thinking I'm gonna start a new thread. You all make good points for both suppositions. |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 5, 2003 14:37:07 GMT -5
you are so right, it is the most fake looking smile, almost fiendish Fiendish...totally! Especially when they break in and Brandt looks at Mary and directs her out of the way. Look at how he smiles so sweetly, but when she steps away, the smile vanishes so completely as if it were never there. Cold, very cold. |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 5, 2003 14:38:45 GMT -5
Brandt is plain eviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil..!! L.O.L. He sure is! |
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Post by Sathanai Kiyohira on Sept 5, 2003 14:57:15 GMT -5
Look at how he smiles so sweetly, but when she steps away, the smile vanishes so completely as if it were never there. Cold, very cold. That's a superb scene, it illustrates his character perfectly ;D |
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Post by Trinity on Sept 5, 2003 15:23:48 GMT -5
That's a superb scene, it illustrates his character perfectly ;D It sure does! And you can see him closely observing Preston the whole time that they are in Mary's abode. |
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Post by Cleric smith on Sept 7, 2003 3:48:44 GMT -5
It sure does! And you can see him closely observing Preston the whole time that they are in Mary's abode. i think i might have to rent eq again |
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Post by camphorsunset on Sept 8, 2003 9:31:47 GMT -5
Dunno if anybody else noticed this in the movie but when Preston sets up Brandt, he winks at him (as if to quietly admit he's feeling) and later in the film when Preston has been set up Brandt says 'I told you Id make my carreer from you' or something like that, Brandt winks at Preston kinda like a reply saying 'me too'
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Post by Madtex on Sept 8, 2003 10:03:33 GMT -5
Dunno if anybody else noticed this in the movie but when Preston sets up Brandt, he winks at him (as if to quietly admit he's feeling) and later in the film when Preston has been set up Brandt says 'I told you Id make my carreer from you' or something like that, Brandt winks at Preston kinda like a reply saying 'me too' Yeah I noticed that one the first time I saw EQ, and was kinda surprised that my boyfriend didn't, so when we watched it again for the 8th or 10th time, I pointed it out to him and we actually had to go back because he hadn't noticed, hehe  |
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Post by Cleric smith on Sept 8, 2003 11:27:57 GMT -5
YOU HAVE GOT A FUNNY BOYFRIEND
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Post by Trinity on Sept 8, 2003 20:00:19 GMT -5
i think i might have to rent eq again Ah, don't rent it, buy it! |
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Post by Cleric smith on Sept 9, 2003 2:16:00 GMT -5
but its not out to buy in england its out to buy on october 10th
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Post by Aki on Sept 9, 2003 11:15:43 GMT -5
but its not out to buy in england its out to buy on october 10th So steal it... I know I am. |
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