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Post by JenGe on Jan 10, 2005 12:05:45 GMT -5
Hi, I'm brand new as of right now so if I say or do anything too strange, that's why. Also, I first saw the movie on 12/26/04. I really am new at this. If you've heard this one before, please bear with me - I saw Preston accept the gun from Brandt with his right hand. He returned it to Brandt with his left hand. There was time to distract Brandt and switch guns. Hey welcome new one!! Yes, many of us have noticed this as well but if you think about it all too deeply there does arise some logical problems. Many though also forget the following as well which confuses the situration even more... -Brandt- He switched them. He switched them. See, I have his gun now.
-Preston- Of course you do. You took it when you arrested me.
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Post by MaryO on Jan 12, 2005 13:46:23 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome. Sorry it took me so long to reply. O.K., he was set up but it seems to me he set them or Brandt up first before they got to him. Oh, to be that brilliant before the events!
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Post by Libby on Jan 12, 2005 17:42:07 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome. Sorry it took me so long to reply. O.K., he was set up but it seems to me he set them or Brandt up first before they got to him. Oh, to be that brilliant before the events! Well, not really...since the whole thing was a set up anyway...to make him think he'd won. Watch Brandt's expression when Preston gives him the gun just before the dog scene and then again in the execution scene.... (OMG! Somebody send me to the furnaces...I can't believe I've replied to a GS post...Aaaargh! Just hope ClericWolf doesn't see this...he'll start some serious twitching!)
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Post by MaryO on Jan 12, 2005 18:58:18 GMT -5
Thanks, I will check out the expression on Brandt's face. Any excuse to watch the movie again I say. As for the puppy, I'm sure many think that was sappy but I'm a sucker for baby animals. It really got to me the way his new "sense" reacted to the fuzzy critter.
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Post by Sasha on Jan 12, 2005 19:46:56 GMT -5
Interesting....I did wonder why Brandt looked at Preston funny when Preston handed him the gun right before they were called to investigate the dogs scene....
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Post by Libby on Jan 13, 2005 18:24:36 GMT -5
Thanks, I will check out the expression on Brandt's face. Any excuse to watch the movie again I say. As for the puppy, I'm sure many think that was sappy but I'm a sucker for baby animals. It really got to me the way his new "sense" reacted to the fuzzy critter. Apparantly, most everybody in the preview(except the most Prozium-dosed) reacted the same way...and KW had to put that scene in at the end with the cute mutt licking Lisa's hand, 'cos everyone wanted to know what happened to it. In the original screenplay, it gets to meet Brandt... The Puppy's Original Fate.
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Post by MaryO on Jan 15, 2005 16:04:52 GMT -5
Apologies for not replying sooner but I've been really messed up on a new med for days. Been on the site but couldn't come up with anything cogent. The book Preston had before the puppy scene was the "Mother Goose" book, I think. Need to watch the movie a few more time. Perhaps Brandt thought it strange that Preston would go to so much trouble over a child's book. Did anyone notice what happened to it? Did Lisa get it?
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Post by Libby on Jan 16, 2005 9:51:19 GMT -5
Apologies for not replying sooner but I've been really messed up on a new med for days. Been on the site but couldn't come up with anything cogent. Hope you're feeling better... Perhaps Brandt thought it strange that Preston would go to so much trouble over a child's book. Did anyone notice what happened to it? Did Lisa get it? Remember that this scene is part of the KWs clever 'script within script' idea...Preston and Brandt replay the Preston and Partridge car scene (with the Yeats book). Preston is almost becoming Partridge (even to falling for Mary). I don't think Brandt's expression has anything to do with Mother Goose being a child's book (nursery rhymes to be exact) since he wouldn't know...more a confirmation that Preston was indeed off the dose as planned (if you go with the idea that it was ALL a set-up). I wonder whether Brandt trotted off to Evidentiary Storage later (just like Preston did) to see if the book was logged.. I don't think we see the book again...
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Post by MaryO on Jan 19, 2005 17:00:20 GMT -5
Thanks for sending me the original ending for the puppy. I don't know if it's my computer or that site but when I tried downloading it the comp froze up and I had a mess. Tried it several times with the same result. Did get to read about Brandt and the fuzzy one. I'm glad that was changed!
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Post by aka Jack Torrence on Jan 25, 2005 11:32:29 GMT -5
About the omitted scene that showed Brandt sending that pup to doggy heaven, I would have liked to have seen it included in the film. It would have made Brandt that much more of a heartless bastard. As it was, I couldn't really bring myself to disliking Brandt and see him as one of the villains. Apart from setting Preston up, was he really that bad? I thought he was one charming, agreeable sonuvabitch actually.
And if I ever have the pleasure of meeting Mr Wimmer I am definitely going to put Preston's pistol against his temple and demand he rewrite and refilm Equilibrium in a way that once and for all lays to rest this debate!
(If you're reading this Kurt, rest assured I won't really put Preston's gun to your head, because it will in fact, by means of a cunning sleight of hand, be Brandt's gun. Or would that be Preston's? Or, actually might it be Brandt's?)
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Post by Libby on Jan 25, 2005 17:39:07 GMT -5
About the omitted scene that showed Brandt sending that pup to doggy heaven, I would have liked to have seen it included in the film. It would have made Brandt that much more of a heartless bastard. And it probably would have alienated half the viewers...no matter what films you see now...Independence Day, Day After Tomorrow whatever...the dog always survives!! That's why the scene where the other dogs are shot off-camera (with the odd pathetic yelp) has such an impact...if the audience didn't think these were the bad guys before, they certainly do now. The fact that the women and children defending the dogs were 'put down easily' hardly causes a stir since the audience is oohing! and aahing! over the dogs. Because we get to 'bond' with the puppy through Preston's actions, KW didn't dare kill it off! It would have made Brandt that much more of a heartless bastard. As it was, I couldn't really bring myself to disliking Brandt and see him as one of the villains. Apart from setting Preston up, was he really that bad? I thought he was one charming, agreeable sonuvabitch actually. I believe Brandt was just another of DuPont's pawns. The Vice-Council obviously spotted Brandt's mile-wide streak of ambition early on and manipulated it to futher his own plans. I didn't really dislike him either. I thought one of the most telling scenes was the almost re-run of the Nether car scene with Preston and Partridge (where Partridge asks speaks of 'when they've burned every last bit of it') just before the dog-shooting scene. Brandt's view is personal...'What will there be for men like us?' His ambitions make him fearful and open to corruption. (If you're reading this Kurt, rest assured I won't really put Preston's gun to your head, because it will in fact, by means of a cunning sleight of hand, be Brandt's gun. Or would that be Preston's? Or, actually might it be Brandt's?) LOL! Nice one! ;D
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Post by aka Jack Torrence on Jan 26, 2005 17:36:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I like that bit too. But it seemed to me that his wistfulness was merely a facade designed to draw Preston further into the web of entrapment and deception.
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Post by Libby on Jan 27, 2005 18:23:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I like that bit too. But it seemed to me that his wistfulness was merely a facade designed to draw Preston further into the web of entrapment and deception. Interesting take...although Preston didn't bite...just gave that enigmatic little smile and (maybe) switched a gun or two...which Brandt may or may not have noticed. ;D ;D
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Post by aka Jack Torrence on Jan 28, 2005 7:32:04 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused about Brandt, you know. I mean, did he know about Father's designs on Preston? Or was he, until the closing stages of the deception, a clueless pawn, a cat's paw? Because when he's dragged away kicking and screaming ("He is the one's who's feeling! This is a mistake!"), he seemed genuinely pissed off and surprised! I'm wondering if, right after that scene, Father sort of took him to one side and said something like, "Hey, take it easy, Pumpkin. We're only messing around. It's Preston we're really after."
But then, there are a number of things that seem to indicate Brandt's complicity. Take the execution scene, for instance. Preston's obviously trying to get out of executing the Offenders, or in the very least attempt some kind of procrastination, but Brandt more or less eggs him on, as if he knew that Preston was an Offender.
But I suppose the fact that Brandt knew about Preston being in league with Sense Offenders doesn't exactly rule out the possibility that he didn't know about Father's deception.
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Post by JenGe on Jan 28, 2005 13:15:18 GMT -5
I'm still a little confused about Brandt, you know. I mean, did he know about Father's designs on Preston? Or was he, until the closing stages of the deception, a clueless pawn, a cat's paw? Because when he's dragged away kicking and screaming ("He is the one's who's feeling! This is a mistake!"), he seemed genuinely pissed off and surprised! I'm wondering if, right after that scene, Father sort of took him to one side and said something like, "Hey, take it easy, Pumpkin. We're only messing around. It's Preston we're really after." "I was told this would be a career-making advancement." - Brandt Maybe I'm reading too much into that remark but I always felt that he knew quite a bit & was on the inside of taking Preston down from the get go.
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Post by MaryO on Jan 28, 2005 20:10:53 GMT -5
"I was told this would be a career-making advancement." - Brandt Maybe I'm reading too much into that remark but I always felt that he knew quite a bit & was on the inside of taking Preston down from the get go. Since Brandt did seem confused about the switch (flashback in head) when did the actual conspiracy to take down Preston occur? No one seemed upset about Preston killing Partridge except Mary. Did anyone else say anything regarding it? If so, I missed it. My dvd is on order finally and I can't wait!
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Post by Libby on Jan 29, 2005 7:27:09 GMT -5
"I was told this would be a career-making advancement." - Brandt Maybe I'm reading too much into that remark but I always felt that he knew quite a bit & was on the inside of taking Preston down from the get go. Yes...I agree with that. Even at Mary's arrest, Brandt's eyes linger just that bit too long on Preston after the 'the mirror's frames's illegal' line. He pulls it down without looking at it, keeps his eyes on Preston...as if he's calculating whether the trap's actually been sprung so quickly. Don't you just love the depths in this film? ;D
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Post by Libby on Jan 29, 2005 7:39:12 GMT -5
Since Brandt did seem confused about the switch (flashback in head) when did the actual conspiracy to take down Preston occur? No one seemed upset about Preston killing Partridge except Mary. Did anyone else say anything regarding it? If so, I missed it. My dvd is on order finally and I can't wait! If you go with the theory that he was in on it all along...then he was just acting confused. The flashback's for OUR benefit I suppose... The only line which refers to Preston and Partridge is Brandt's, when he asks 'You and your partner were close?' and Preston doesn't answer. As a society which routinely sends wives, husbands and possibly children to the furnaces, there's no reason for anyone to be concerned about Patridge's death. In fact, given he was a Cleric dedicated to the eradication of sense crime, his execution was probably viewed as fitting.
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Post by Paladin7 on Sept 7, 2005 19:09:48 GMT -5
OK, here it is. The answer to the questions. Yes he switched the guns.
Go to the part of the film where Brandt offers Preston his gun... Preston takes it in his "RIGHT" hand, and then give Brandt back "HIS" gun with his left.
;-)
Paladin
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Post by pyro on Sept 8, 2005 1:13:49 GMT -5
was this before or after the dog fight?
it begins again...
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 8, 2005 6:46:51 GMT -5
*SINGS*
Gun Swap, BABY, Gun Swap!
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Post by JenGe on Sept 8, 2005 11:43:47 GMT -5
was this before or after the dog fight? it begins again... Did it ever end??
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Post by pyro on Sept 8, 2005 22:56:38 GMT -5
omg i think i figured it out...
during the dog execution scene [the one where one of the sweepers says they found something] preston was expecting resistance members instead of dogs and he switched one of brandts pistols because he knew he could make up something about brandt not firing.
he switches his other gun with brandt at the warehouse massacre scene
THE END!
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Post by MisterAnderson on Sept 11, 2005 1:23:22 GMT -5
no it was the ninjas they came in and like ninjas no one even saw them coz they are so awesome & they switched the guns around for preston coz they are like best friends & went to school together and made ninja stars in shop class.
kthxbye.
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Post by NoClockThing on Sept 11, 2005 7:15:57 GMT -5
The truth is Robbie hacked their database. Gun Switch solved. ;D
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 14, 2005 5:48:39 GMT -5
*snickers*
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Post by ClericRyan on Sept 30, 2005 7:51:52 GMT -5
nice wolf
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Oct 2, 2005 7:15:56 GMT -5
heya Ryan good to see you!
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Post by ClericalError on Oct 15, 2005 7:25:09 GMT -5
No one seemed upset about Preston killing Partridge except Mary. Did anyone else say anything regarding it? If so, I missed it. In the original draft, Robbie seems quite pleased that his father's just gone and capped his partner, but I can't remember whether that made it into the film or not. Seems I have a reason to spend the rest of today re-watching it.
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Post by Nobody on Oct 15, 2005 18:11:25 GMT -5
In the scene where Preston pistol-whips the guards, there's a brief close-up of the butt of each gun (when the spikes spring out of them). Both guns have Preston's name written on them (but back-to-front, which I assume is to do with the film stock being reversed). I'm sure someone somewhere has already mentioned this. That's why I'm remaining anonymous.
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