14 Equilibrium Icons

[PrestonsLover]

Hey everyone. This is actually my first post here, I've been a Equilibrium fan for quite some time but only found this site recently. Unfortunetly, may I add.

Anyway, I wanted to share some old icons I made of the movie. They're not many and not much though. I might make some new ones soon. Hope you enjoy them nonetheless.

If you take an icon and want to credit me for it, that's great. If not, it's fine too. Comments are very appreciated.

1. 2. 3. 4.
5. 6. 7. 8.
9. 10. 11. 12.
13. 14.

[ClericWilkinson]

Welcome to the boards, PrestonsLover! Very nice icons. . . They're all awesome, but I really like 1, 2, 9, and 12. Practically impossible to decide which one's my favorite. . . Could I perhaps use number 9? Anyhow, great job!!

[PrestonsLover]

Thank you Wilkinson for both welcome and comments.

And sure, go right ahead and grab #9. It's my favourite actually. All I ask is that you credit me under my real name Helena, please. Thank you.

[Libby]

Nice work...and welcome! ;D

[MAX]

Wow, those are great PrestonsLover.
Very professional.

[JenGe]

Those are excellent!! I would absolutely love to add them to the main site but with your restrictions I highly doubt everyone would follow it. More than anything I hate being a policeman. I would never be able to monitor everything around the net.

[mawa]

Oh my... Excellent work Welcome on boards!

[PrestonsLover]

Thank you so much everyone for your feedback. Means a lot, since I know very few people..I mean, just my brother and best friend, who love Equilibrium and I haven't gotten much feedback on those.

And JenGe, I always ask people to credit me when I post my icons, but honestly I know there are people who just take them and don't even leave a comment telling that. It's just normal (yet disapproving) when we post our work in public places. Some do credit me and warn me what icon they're taking and I appreciate those for that. And those who don't well..what can I do? At least I made something that was interesting to a certain person and he/she decided to use it. So, if you wish to add them to the main site, be at ease. I won't mind at all.

I'm very flattered to say the least. To credit the icons, simply put my real name, Helena, if that's ok. Thank you.

[Beefie]

Hey, nice work. I like them alot!!

Seems as though more talent has been unearthed. As I've said on another thread somewhere, there are so many people on this site who are riddled with so much talent, it's great to see.

Anyway, can't decide which I like best as they are all so well done. I think I like No.2 best so if it's alright with you, could I use No.2. I will give you credit, obviously. I always give credit where it's due. Thanks.

[JenGe]

PrestonsLover said:

Thank you so much everyone for your feedback. Means a lot, since I know very few people..I mean, just my brother and best friend, who love Equilibrium and I haven't gotten much feedback on those.

And JenGe, I always ask people to credit me when I post my icons, but honestly I know there are people who just take them and don't even leave a comment telling that. It's just normal (yet disapproving) when we post our work in public places. Some do credit me and warn me what icon they're taking and I appreciate those for that. And those who don't well..what can I do? At least I made something that was interesting to a certain person and he/she decided to use it. So, if you wish to add them to the main site, be at ease. I won't mind at all.

I know exactly what you mean. Numerous times I've seen things from my site used on others & they do not bother to credit the site for it. Sometimes it upsets me because I have so much info here for the fans of the film but then I have to remember that none of this stuff really belongs to me. The film belongs to Dimension & I have to constantly keep myself in check that I am but a humble fan. I do get more defensive though when "original" art work is stolen.

If & when I add your stuff to the site I will certainly credit you along with your request. I just don't want to be the one to have to enforce it.

[ClericWilkinson]

Thank you PrestonsLover! *changes profile* I've credited you in my sig, so now everyone will know. ^_^ Great job, and thanks again.

[LoneClericCobra]

Yeah, thanks a bunch! ;D Very classy. I like it a lot

[ClericMatthius]

Those are amazing! Well done
;D

[Witcher Wolf]

And sometimes Jen they try and steal the site, lock stock and two-smoking barrels...right down to the design and the images - not to mention the contributers work as well.

[PrestonsLover]

Beefie, go ahead and grab #2.

LoneClericCobra, thank you for taking and for the comments.

Thank you all for the feedback, means a lot.

JenGe, yes I understand you not wanting to enforce it, not even asking you to do it. And thank you for crediting me and putting up my request to credit.

[Libby]

I like the work you've done, but I don't understand why you're making such a big deal over the 'credit' thing?

YOU know you've done them...WE know you've done them and tbh, they're probably only going to be used around this site anyway. If people want to use them and say thankyou, isn't that enough?

Are you doing them to share or just for the kudos?

I've made the odd sig for people but I wouldn't dream of asking them to put my name under them...I'd consider that...impolite.

All the shots are from the film and so fall under the copyright thing anyway.

[PrestonsLover]

Libby said:

I like the work you've done, but I don't understand why you're making such a big deal over the 'credit' thing?

YOU know you've done them...WE know you've done them and tbh, they're probably only going to be used around this site anyway. If people want to use them and say thankyou, isn't that enough?

Are you doing them to share or just for the kudos?

I've made the odd sig for people but I wouldn't dream of asking them to put my name under them...I'd consider that...impolite.

All the shots are from the film and so fall under the copyright thing anyway.

Libby, it isn't so much about wanting to be known for my work. I've made them, yes I know that. And you all know that. The reason I ask to be credited is only because of the time and work I spent doing them. They're not something you make in 5 minutes. I do not consider myself an artist, but in my opinion every work must have the artist's signature. I can't do that in icons. And I honestly wouldn't do it. And I'm not at all making such a big deal about wanting to be credit. I'm fexible when it comes to that.

Regarding the pictures, yes they're from the movie. But what about all the effects, text, brushes you apply to your work? Did they just appear by magic? Without your creativity, the pictures would be plain, not very appealing. The work you do with them means that the icon/wallpaper/blend/ect is part yours. Eventhough the pictures do not belong to you in any way.

I've seen some comments on other places about people not considering graphic design an art for it envolves pictures from actors/movies that do not belong to the graphic designers. I so disagree about that. But I'm not going into it. I did not came to this forum to talk about this stuff. Simply join a forum and share my passion for this movie.

[JenGe]

PrestonsLover said:

Thank you all for the feedback, means a lot.

When I add your stuff to the site I'll be sure to include a link back to this thread.

Also it may take me a week or two to actually get these on because I'm really back logged again right now.

Again thanks for sharing your talent with us!!

[JenGe]

ClericWolf said:

And sometimes Jen they try and steal the site, lock stock and two-smoking barrels...right down to the design and the images - not to mention the contributers work as well.

Yes, the gaul of some people!!

[Witcher Wolf]

Indeed...

It was a day for a red dawn and the gnashing of teeth, a red day...

Where is Thoden when you need him *G*

[Witcher Wolf]

Here we give credit where credit is due, yes, but there is no way in the seven layers of hell that you'll get me to request to use an icon for an avatar...that has been made from copyrighted property.

Down that path lies a greater danger than you can imagine.

And if you think for a moment the copyright holder won't enforce the law in that respect, you're actually mistaken.

We had to deal with a case where an artists work was stolen, altered and then put up with the other artist claiming that they had the credit since they used graphic design techniques to alter the images.

They were sued...the companies that held the copyright won.

It was a small matter as well, but a very important one. No matter how small the lake or the pebble, the ripples can far outweigh the stone and the impact.

There are many other people that have created work for the EQ site, avatars, wallpapers and so forth...they have used photo-manipulation and so on...but they did not create a thread to request people ask permission to do so.

I use the icon in my avatar because I like it, the moment that someone requests that I ask permission to use it is the moment that I replace it with a blank space.

While I realise it takes a lot of effort to photo-manipulate the pictures, I also however realise that credit on Jen's site is a lot better way to go about things...and appearing on this forum, opening a thread to demand in red letters that people give you credit is not only treading on the toes of forum members that have been here a lot longer and give their work to Jen with no such restriction - like Father and many others....

But also members like myself that while we do appreciate the gesture, find at the core it is hollow when there is a demand attached.

Those are my two cents, nothing is said as an offence these are observations that my normally silent self has decided to make in the manner that befits the kind of person I am.

I'd be 100% behind you if the art/images were yours but because you do not think that the whole 'photo manipulation' schtick isn't right, it doesn't mean that Kurt, Steve Werblun or Dimension Films will share your views when you request credit for something they own.

In a way, even though I created Ashes, my fan-fiction if Dimension's lawyers wanted to stop me writing it or requested I remove it then myself and Jen would have to comply.

Let us remember where the credit really goes here.

To Kurt , Steve and Dimension Films...without those and the DVD sales - we'd not have the source material to even make a photo manipulation from.

Edit: something I forgot to add last night while my mind was wandering -- Yes, photo-manipulation is an art form indeed, just wanted to make that clear that I do appreciate the effort that goes into altering original images...but let me also point out something else.

By your own admission the moment that someone takes a piece of art they do not own or own copyright to and alters it, you're saying that they should get credit for doing the work?

In that case...if someone takes an icon of yours you have manipulated, makes a few changes and then uses it without crediting you...you really can't say a single thing about that because by your own admission it's Ok to do that. You're not crediting the original artists of the work that you manipulate in the beginning in your icons, by right s if you expect credit you should have a copyright/credit notice in every single icon/picture you've done based off another person's work.

See how complicated it can get?

Pretty soon it'll be like a car sponsor requesting that every logo is on your race car -- that's a lot of logos.

[DeadCleric]

Well said Wolf.

[Witcher Wolf]

DeadCleric said:

Well said Wolf.

Thanks, DeadCleric.

[PrestonsLover]

First of all, I want to thank for your constructive comment, ClericWolf. Well said and you're right, I admit it. I don't have problems with that.

But you are acting as if I committed some sort of insult, something way serious. Yes, I've understood your point of view and as I said, you're probably right. And to tell you the truth, when I put the words in red was in complete innocence. I never but ever got along bad with people from other forums, I do not think it is happening here, but I'm feeling some sort of attacked all of a sudden.

And I do not intend to sell my work as some people do. And you want to know how the credit thing began? A admnistrator from a forum I belong to, one day said to all the artists to simply sign their work for she had found more than 5 works from us being sold on E-Bay. I started signing my work...but then only until recently did I begun to make icons. I didn't know the drill, how it works. So, I started asking people to credit me.

Does it sound stupid? Maybe. But that was my way of thinking. Is it bad? Probably it is.

If I did anything that was insulting for you, then I'm sorry.

[Xenia Onatopp- Bale]

PrestonsLover said:

Hey everyone. This is actually my first post here, I've been a Equilibrium fan for quite some time but only found this site recently. Unfortunetly, may I add.

Anyway, I wanted to share some old icons I made of the movie. They're not many and not much though. I might make some new ones soon. Hope you enjoy them nonetheless.

Two things I ask: If you take an icon, please do credit me. And comments are very appreciated.

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5. 6. 7. 8.
9. 10. 11. 12.
13. 14.

Simply beautiful, Prestonslover. I love them. Can I use one of them?

[LoneClericCobra]

ClericWolf, your two cents read more like two grands ;D

Well, here's mine: I don't mind crediting Helena in my sig, since I was doing the same thing for the author of my previous avatar anyway; the way I've read her first post, she asked for credit, not permission- in fact, her reaction when I grabbed one wasn't "hey, you didn't ask first", but "cool, thanks for the credit". That's all. I do agree that setting (or trying to set) restrictions for ..shall we call it "derivative artwork".. leads to ugly scenarios, I just don't think this case is worth throwing a fit.

[Witcher Wolf]

The whole copyright issue is a very grey area. What I'm trying to do is prevent you falling into an even bigger hole than I have seen other people fall into.

I've discussed this particular issue with various people both in and out of the industry.

I've had similar experiences both with retail and none retail works of art. Photo-manipulation is a very vaiid form of expression and it is a skill in its own right.

I can understand that you have had problems with people taking work and using it...original work theft is a terrible thing to have happen.

But what I am saying here in the case of photo-manipulation of pre-copyrighted work is one that you can't really ask people to give you credit for on the forum since by right you have to credit Kurt Wimmer and Dimension films on your images if you expect people to credit you as well.

The way things have happened here is that virtually all of the forum's contributers have placed their work on the site and they are content with their name on Jen's site itself.

This is not a case of anyone picking on you per-se but you will find that people like myself are terribly protective of the members of the forum that have contributed to Jen's site with images and works of photo-manipulation who haven't asked for a single thing.

The red may have been done in innocence but the psychology of the colour is something I understand, even if you didn't realise it...red is a colour that demands attention even when you don't know you're using it.

To the outsider on this forum (and I am capable of stepping into the shoes of one) it looks a bit odd to see just one member getting preferential treatment who has just arrived, compared to the ones that have asked for nothing in return: Like DeadCleric for instance.

As LoneClericCobra however points out, it's up to the individual if they mind giving credit and I think there should be a general system that Jen impliments regarding this so in the future no one gets bent out of shape...a submission guideline for the artist/author with a particular protection for both site and contributer may encourage others to produce works knowing they will be credited.

Many people don't know Jen as well as some of us do.

Now if I have come off as a little strong and so forth, please let me apologise - it wasn't my intention or design to upset anyone.

Just trying to make sure that no one falls into any holes, since I know people from EQ do actually visit the site and keep an eye on it.

Now as for the images. I think you've done a good job with those and they are certainly a fine addition to the talent already on display.

But LCC is right that it's not worth getting bent out of shape over for anyone. I have never been backward about coming forward and stating my opinion however and in the spirit of the EQ site itself and the whole EQmythos I've done so.

End of wolfy-rant

[LoneClericCobra]

So we're back at being a happy and kickass fandom group, sssssssssire Wolf? ;D

[Witcher Wolf]

You should have worked out by now LCC that while I will put my opinion forward and so forth. I try and do so without attacking anyone (hopefully) and once I have said the full extent of my piece I don't harp on about it.

When someone responds without flaming or as eloquently as PrestonsLover for instance, then I am more than happy.

Never was unhappy

So we're back to being a happy fandom group, because if anyone can survive my posts they're strong indeed ;D

[LoneClericCobra]

Yeah, I know, it was just a "all's right in the jungle" ending-kind-of-post. but of course now I have to write another one

[Danger! Two animals trying to get the last word! Flee the thread! ;D]