taas007
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Post by taas007 on May 2, 2006 14:24:12 GMT -5
Hey, everyone. The fight with the flaming swords had a much better build up. As soon as the room gets dark, Daxus begins taunting Violet. We hear the sound of a sword slicing and Violet screams out in pain. Daxus: "Oh, come on. That wasn't so bad." We hear another attack followed by a scream. Daxus: "Okay. That was pretty bad." That's when she starts creating the sparks to ignite the sword. You can actually see the cut made (before she ignites her sword) when they're starting to fight again. You can also see it when the camera shows the flaming wounds, it's the only one that isn't on fire. EDIT: I was wrong, it's a wound from the library fight. Sorry.
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eastx
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Post by eastx on May 19, 2006 8:08:11 GMT -5
And now for my two cents... Whoever wrote the movie (Kurt?), I hate him. I don't care how it was edited, this film never could have made sense. The plot is just ridiculous. Vampires that don't drink blood? People coming back to life for absolutely no reason? Constantly Color changing clothes and hair?! Mysteriously flaming swords? Repent, for the end is nigh.
The fight scenes aren't fights. They're hordes of stuntmen running at Ultraviolet and getting killed in some stupid way. Some of you are supposing that adding more plot would have turned this into a good movie - that is not true. When every little bit of a movie (acting, dialogue, special effects, action) are horrible, you can't fix that. I saw it with two other people, and both of them wanted to leave the movie before it was over.
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on May 19, 2006 12:03:26 GMT -5
I'm so glad that there are so many people which don't like UV. That just shows how good Kurt Wimmer is, because he didn't make a decent movie for everybody. He is a visual genius and an action lover(GunKata creator). He made UV with limited budget and showed to his fans what he can do. The DC will hopefully show us a little more of UV and still if it isn't the full Kurt Wimmer cut. I love you for doing such an unique movie and please don't make movies like LOTR or Star Wars because they are for the normal people and publicity.
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Post by TheKaiser on May 19, 2006 12:20:53 GMT -5
I'm so glad that there are so many people which don't like UV. That just shows how good Kurt Wimmer is, because he didn't make a decent movie for everybody. He is a visual genius and an action lover(GunKata creator). He made UV with limited budget and showed to his fans what he can do. The DC will hopefully show us a little more of UV and still if it isn't the full Kurt Wimmer cut. I love you for doing such an unique movie and please don't make movies like LOTR or Star Wars because they are for the normal people and publicity. Eh? So Wimmer doesn't make movies for normal people? The movie is good because people don't like it? Your logic implies what is bad is good, because it was trying to be bad and not be liked. Wimmer writes "genre films". Genre films are meant to appeal to audiences. They play on audience expectations and audience energy. It was not trying to be disliked.
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Post by Walldude on May 19, 2006 16:54:30 GMT -5
I'm so glad that there are so many people which don't like UV. That just shows how good Kurt Wimmer is, because he didn't make a decent movie for everybody. He is a visual genius and an action lover(GunKata creator). He made UV with limited budget and showed to his fans what he can do. The DC will hopefully show us a little more of UV and still if it isn't the full Kurt Wimmer cut. I love you for doing such an unique movie and please don't make movies like LOTR or Star Wars because they are for the normal people and publicity. LOTR and Star Wars are for "normal" people? Funny the way I see it people who are into SW and LOTR are looked down upon by "normal" people as being geeks. That said, UV is like broccoli, some people love it and some hate it. Depends on who you are and what you are looking for in a movie. By your assumptions then if Wimmer makes a movie that takes in a couple hundred million then he would be a sell-out, or making movies for "normal" people? Just askin...
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eastx
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Post by eastx on May 20, 2006 11:05:35 GMT -5
Kaiser, that is very reasonable. Now if only a sizeable audience existed for this type of movie. Actually, I don't wanna live in that world. > John, there is a certain prestige in being hardcore, sure. But when you make a movie and nearly everyone hates it, that's not a sign of quality. Check imdb.com to see how the general public received it.
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Post by Vespertilio on May 20, 2006 19:52:48 GMT -5
And now for my two cents... Whoever wrote the movie (Kurt?), I hate him. I don't care how it was edited, this film never could have made sense. The plot is just ridiculous. Vampires that don't drink blood? People coming back to life for absolutely no reason? Constantly Color changing clothes and hair?! Mysteriously flaming swords? Repent, for the end is nigh. The fight scenes aren't fights. They're hordes of stuntmen running at Ultraviolet and getting killed in some stupid way. Some of you are supposing that adding more plot would have turned this into a good movie - that is not true. When every little bit of a movie (acting, dialogue, special effects, action) are horrible, you can't fix that. I saw it with two other people, and both of them wanted to leave the movie before it was over. Yeah, the film didn't make a lot sense because the bulk of the plot was edited out by the studio! Along with a good deal of the fight sequences, making them appear choppy and sloppy. For what it was, (what there was left of it) it was fun, it just wasn't the film it would have been if Kurt Wimmer had maintained control. Enjoy the Hatefest at IMBD, but don't try to bring it here. -V.
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eastx
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Post by eastx on May 22, 2006 21:44:33 GMT -5
Well, I feel like posting here because the concept of a movie that received so much studio intervention is interesting to me. Besides, if you all keep brown-nosing that director, he might start to get full of himself, maybe even make a sequel or something. Somebody has to be the voice of reason.
But seriously, when the director's cut comes out, I guess that will largely solve the argument. Like I said, since whatever remained of the movie after edits was atrocious and stupid, I can hardly imagine some extra plot (which even the OP admitted did not fit well with the movie) will save it.
Keep in mind I feel this way despite enjoying action, sci-fi, martial arts movies, you name it. I read a review and knew the plot would be nonsensical going in. Nothing prepared me for the complaints I already mentioned, though.
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Post by JenGe on May 23, 2006 3:20:09 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath. There is not going to be a "director's cut." The closes thing we have to what the director had in mind is the novilization. The studio is not going to put money into re-editing the film, the effects, nor the score.
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Post by Aedh on May 23, 2006 18:27:00 GMT -5
A brief evidentiary report: There was a thread at IMdB relating to the relative age of people who liked UV. As I recall, the person who started it believed that all those who liked it would turn out to be under 25. As it turned out, with one or two exceptions, all those who liked it were OVER 25, and the older they were, the more they liked it. I liked it perhaps more than anyone on that thread, and I am old enough to have kids who are 25. I have given some thought to that and drawn nothing but blanks; it does make one feel that the marketing, which was directed to the under-25 crowd, was woefully misdirected; though I am assured that those responsible knew exactly what they were doing. Any ideas or reports would be appreciated.
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Post by JenGe on May 23, 2006 19:30:44 GMT -5
From what I have gathered it was not only marketed to the under 25 growd but test screened for them as well. If one reads the novelization one would reallize that this group would not give a shit about an action female coming to terms with motherhood. I'm really not sure what Screen Gems thought they bought with the script but it certainly was not young adult fare. The studios are running scared. They are loosing this group to video games and honestly I do not understand why they still try to pander to them. BTW, I have a 20 year old son.
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Post by kalaong on May 23, 2006 19:47:22 GMT -5
Screen Gems is obviously trying to go out like a suicide bomber and take as many people with them as they can. Does anyone have a bootleg of the rough cut? If so, we should keep said cut moving around. If Wimmer still has fans after Screen Gems finishes the whole bath-shroud-dynamite-vest gag, maybe one of the bigger studios will pick him up. After seeing V for Vendetta, Warner Brothers is looking pretty great to me.
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Post by JenGe on May 24, 2006 10:00:48 GMT -5
Another thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that UV is a reinterpretation of Cassavetes' Gloria. What studio in their right mind would market and test Gloria in today's world to under 25 males?
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taas007
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Post by taas007 on Jun 18, 2006 12:05:51 GMT -5
I have edited some fight with people screaming in pain and bones breaking. The ones posted, aren't fully edited like I have now. I may update them later but there still is a lot of screaming and bones breaking, anyway : Library FightWhite Room FightThe First FightIf anyone knows a movie where someone says: "Wait! She's armed!", please tell me. These clips might give you a hint how those scenes should have been.
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on Jun 18, 2006 14:29:27 GMT -5
Very nice job. Is there a way you could send me the videos? I really love how you edited the new sound. That seems like you put a lot of work in it! I'm already thinking about a movie with such an sentence with the weapon. WATCH ME
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taas007
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Post by taas007 on Jun 18, 2006 14:34:05 GMT -5
The files are about 60 MB each. I'm currently planning to edit the whole movie, only if anyone could specify if there was screaming in the last fight between violet and daxus.
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on Jun 18, 2006 14:39:36 GMT -5
I don't think so. Just in the Rough Cut, were Daxus slices violet in the arm and she screams, and the says "That wasn't so bad" and then he does it again and she screams again and the says "Ok that was bad". Something like that was in the Rough Cut. I think your editing is ok, what else do you want to change? You could only edit the Nerva fight with the Sword fighting, too. Doesn't matter if it's 60MB.
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taas007
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Post by taas007 on Jun 18, 2006 14:51:12 GMT -5
I have done the rooftop one that is right after the first fight and the motorbike one. I'm still thinking what to do with the blood chinois scene. I'll send you the links to those files later, ok(the 60 Mb ones).
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Post by JohnPrestonCleric on Jun 18, 2006 14:53:00 GMT -5
Thank you very much. I'm so looking forward to the other Videos. You could add more sounds for an example from other movies. Or you could make a funny video with different voices......... and so on.
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Post by gutsy9 on Jul 13, 2006 8:26:32 GMT -5
The adding of the "proper" FX is exactly what those otherwise rad fight scenes need! That damned PG-13 mania!
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kalaong
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Post by kalaong on Aug 4, 2006 22:09:36 GMT -5
Hey, quick thought-does the uncut version explain how Daxus, even though he was the first person to be infected with Hemoglaphagia, hasn't died of the disease? Given that the lab Six grew up in developed a cure for the virus, did he cure and reinfect himself? Heck, I could buy that he carries a better designed version of the disease! Did Screen Gems cut that?
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Post by JenGe on Aug 4, 2006 23:16:23 GMT -5
What makes you think that Daxus was the first person infected? Nowhere does the film state this or even imply it. The film does more than imply though that he had the cure.
Have you read the novelization? Most of this is left ambiguous just like much in EQ is also left ambiguous. Whether Daxus actually used the "cure" or not is left for you to decide. What do you think?
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Post by wallflower83 on Aug 5, 2006 10:02:23 GMT -5
If I remember correctly in the novelization he wasn't even infected, he used night vision goggles to fight Violet in the dark room. In all honesty, I like him NOT being a Hemophage. It adds more continuity and removes a lot of questions (or plot holes).
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Post by Aedh on Aug 5, 2006 12:34:44 GMT -5
You remember correctly. But I respectfully differ. I like him being a 'phage who has taken the cure for himself; I think that explains his plotting and motivations a lot better. I think his hatred for 'phages has a lot more oomph to it if he has been one himself; then he is not prey to any second thoughts or doubts about ... well, maybe they're not so bad after all, that sort of thing. What makes him different from everyone else at the ministry is, he KNOWS.
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Post by schuby on Aug 17, 2006 21:18:27 GMT -5
I really don't think 30 minutes could have saved Ultraviolet. Looking at the big picture, it just wasn't good. To begin, you don't give a shit about the characters because you hardly know them, this also makes the things they can do unbelievable. There is no point where the abilities and the technologies are practically explained. Normally you don't need a deep explanation on how a manouver or a technology works, but the idea's in this film were very advanced. Kurt Wimmer obviously knew what these things were that are in his movie, but no one else did! It needed more explanation. I don't just mean a longer intro where fictional history vital to your understanding of the movie is just thrown at you. Most people go to a movie to be entertained, NOT lectured. It's better to blend the explanation into the story, have an equal balance of action and explanation interlaced. Also, why did Kurt go so far on the CG for this movie? Lets face it, it looks like crap. The technology is far from perfect, and he did such a good job with realistic sets and action in Equilibrium, why would he change? I love Equilibrium for it's wonderfully directed action scenes, realism, empahasis on explanation and futuristic outlook on life, therefore I was greatly disapointed in Ultraviolet. My expectations for Ultraviolet were that it would have the same level of quality Equilibrium had and higher. It's been 4 years since Equilibrium, so I was hoping that any little CG in Ultraviolet would have been less rough then in Equilibrium. Instead the whole movie was CG and it was so rough and fake, they had to smear vaseline on the lense to make it look less iritating. I'm sorry if I've angered anyone, but I am angry about this. I'm angry that the same person who made a movie called Equilibrium, an almost perfect film, a movie that has changed lives, then went and made Ultraviolet, an at-best techno music video. People on this forum need to realise that the directors-cut or extended edition or special edition with the silvery-flashy case isn't going to make this movie any better then the theatrical version, infact it will probably make it worse. Once again sorry, and better luck next time Kurt...
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Post by dsolidsnake on Aug 18, 2006 0:18:53 GMT -5
Okay this goes to eastx. You do know that the person you hate for writting this movie is Kurt Wimmer right? Or did you not see the credits at all before you opened your mouth and dicided to insult him. Next time look at the credits!
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Post by schuby on Aug 18, 2006 22:46:27 GMT -5
I know Kurt Wimmer wrote UV, I read a lot about Ultraviolet before it came out, I was looking forword to seeing it. I saw it opening night, and then rented it once it came on DVD to see if the DC made any difference. I'm a fan of Kurt Wimmer for Equilibrium and no lowsy movie is going to change that. My problem isn't with him, it's with some of the people on this board saying that the directors cut makes the movie better.
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Post by dsolidsnake on Aug 18, 2006 22:59:00 GMT -5
I am pissed at the fact that the DC would have made the movie better. I heard that the DC was going to have 30 Mins and that it would be more violent than the one released in theatre. Instead it's not a DC but a Unrated Extended cut and it was only 5-6 Mins of extra footage and that did not make it any better. Is there really 30 mins of extra footage or are there alot of liars here.
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taas007
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Post by taas007 on Aug 19, 2006 19:50:47 GMT -5
Probably there is but would that be even in the DC because some people say something about 101 min cut and others 120 min, but that's not the point. No matter how long it may be ,there are more than one way to edit a movie. I mean if the DC is 101 then that doesn't mean that it may even be close to the theatrical. whatever it is ,I want to SEE THE "DC"!!!
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Post by dsolidsnake on Aug 19, 2006 23:04:30 GMT -5
I second that motion who here is joining our crusade to find the lost DC of Ultraviolet?
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