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Post by JenGe on Sept 2, 2004 23:11:22 GMT -5
I just wanted to warn you guys that the new Windows update that just came out this week has problems. My computer crashed today because of it & I'll be spending the next few days trying to pull off whatever info I can before I have to reformate it. Call your computer's tec support BEFORE you do anything because mine told me that many people are having this same problem. Not even Ad-ware is as bad as a Windows update.  Reminds me of I, Robot!!! ;D |
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Post by Xenia Onatopp- Bale on Sept 3, 2004 9:40:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the warning, JenGe. Hope you fix your computer ASAP.
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Post by TheMacroprosopus on Sept 3, 2004 11:07:44 GMT -5
Which Windows? I'm presently sitting with 98...
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Post by JenGe on Sept 3, 2004 11:20:11 GMT -5
I think that it's an XP (something) "2" update but I'm not 100% sure about that. It came out about a day or two ago. I'm just glad that I have more then one computer but this really pisses me off!!  |
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Post by BetaCleric US-DF on Sept 3, 2004 11:23:54 GMT -5
I would recommend to disable your Auto Update Feature. I always like to read up alittle or give any updates time to reveal themselves of problems or bugs before I do any Updates. If you have XP, you can alwayz do a System Restore to a past date., very neat Feature. If you thinks itz a virus or Trojan, this is a very affective program that will clean up the trash. Itz free. www.moosoft.com/Good Luck  |
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Post by JenGe on Sept 3, 2004 11:34:55 GMT -5
If you have XP, you can alwayz do a System Restore to a past date., very neat Feature. Been there...done that...didn't work!! The new update conveniently blocked "System Restore", lost it, reconfigured it, or something.  I had Toshiba tech support helping me for hours yesterday & couldn't get to the System Restore through safe mode or "run" or any other means. We uninstalled the update & that's when the damn thing wouldn't come back on. They told me that they had been getting calls all day. |
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Post by BetaCleric US-DF on Sept 3, 2004 11:39:04 GMT -5
Well, I got to looking @ The Cleaner Program 4.01 and it seems they want you to buy it now. It use to be free. Itz free to try, so Once you clean your system up you can remove it. Sorry, I actually thought it was free, but hell, what is now dayz, The World is full of greed and Galging "hope I spelled that right". I remember when I use to buy candy for 2 cents or a soda pop for a Quarter. Never again.
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Post by JenGe on Sept 3, 2004 11:52:25 GMT -5
Note - I added "XP" to the thread title to help clarify.
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Post by JenGe on Sept 3, 2004 12:03:47 GMT -5
If you thinks itz a virus or Trojan,... Well it's not officially a virus or Trojan but in my hum. op. it's just as bad!! |
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Post by Witcher Wolf on Sept 3, 2004 12:17:05 GMT -5
XP Service Pack '2' *screams in terror*
Next time Jen, send me a PM or something if you're going to update, I frequent a lot of the big gamer and tech-head boards, I'd have told you not to install it...
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Post by Walldude on Sept 4, 2004 2:25:44 GMT -5
Hate to be the oddball but I installed SP2 and it's working great. The pop-up killer works great, media player 9 has all the codecs installed already and I haven't had a single problem. Let me say though that it was a fresh install, I had just re-formatted so maybe that has something to do with it..
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Post by BetaCleric US-DF on Sept 4, 2004 10:03:31 GMT -5
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Post by DeadCleric on Sept 5, 2004 14:13:03 GMT -5
ME TOO!!! My computer is all busted and stuff now! It crashed while instaling the massively oversized beast-of-an-update, and corupted one of the files. Now when I try to turn it on it tells me to try and fix the file using the setup cd rom. AS I'm using a sony vaio i never got a windows setup cd rom, I got system recovery discs where the only option is to format! So I will probably temporarily install linux copy the stuff I need ofthe hard drive then format....
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Post by skippythegator on Sept 6, 2004 3:40:29 GMT -5
I delayed a few days before installing XP Service Pack 2, but I knew I had to do it eventually - part of my job. I disabled all unnecessary services from the task manager and the system tray, and went ahead and installed it last week. I've had a few minor problems while browsing but nothing major. All in all, I'd say it works fine. And regarding System Restore - since virii regularly creep in there if you're not careful, i can understand why M$ would want to disable it. btw, I use Win98 SE at home  if it breaks, it's easier for me to fix |
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Post by Libby on Sept 6, 2004 8:16:51 GMT -5
And regarding System Restore - since virii regularly creep in there if you're not careful, i can understand why M$ would want to disable it. ;D ;D The etymologist in me gets all excited when 'new' words sneak into use... 'virii'...sounds good but actually, the plural of 'virus' - according to the OED -is 'viruses', just like the plural of 'hippopotamus' is really 'hippopotamuses'. We do prefer to say 'fungi' and 'nuclei' rather than 'funguses' and nucleuses', but tend to say 'syllabuses', not 'syllabi' www.ofb.net/~jlm/virus.htmlDon't you just love the English language!! ;D |
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Post by JenGe on Sept 6, 2004 9:21:31 GMT -5
Hate to be the oddball but I installed SP2 and it's working great... That's why I stated to check with "your computer's tec support" because I'm sure there are some computers it'll work just fine on...I would hate to find out the hard way like I did that it didn't. |
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Post by Walldude on Sept 7, 2004 21:15:32 GMT -5
Yeah I been hearing mixed things, apparently it works great if you have just done a fresh install as I did. If you don't clean your system on a regular basis you probably will have problems. The problem apparently lies in it trying to intergrate will alot of installed software..
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Post by emilis on Sept 11, 2004 10:21:32 GMT -5
And THAT is why I use Linux. I don't regret it. It's free, it's safe and there are no viruses ;D
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Post by skippythegator on Sept 13, 2004 3:34:15 GMT -5
emilis: I'd use Linux too except for the ff. reasons: Morrowind Need for Speed: Underground Neverwinter Nights (I hear the linux version has a few problems) there are more but i think you catch my meaning |
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Post by emilis on Sept 13, 2004 5:48:24 GMT -5
Well, if you take that point of view... I don't need them ;D
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Post by pyro on Sept 21, 2004 10:34:18 GMT -5
off topic but i need the help!
my win 98 pc will click off after the window screen comes on.
i know, everyone has been telling to reinstall windows is there any other way to 'fix' windows??
if not, you'll be seeing a lot less of me, a lot less
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Post by g3po on Sept 28, 2004 21:58:44 GMT -5
Ahh, the joys and pitfalls of XPSP2. Not for the faint of heart! THIS IS THE SHORT LIST from Microsoft, everything that breaks with SP2: support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2That being said, just be aware of what SP2 does before you install it! Make sure you backup your data, and consider a restore point so you can rollback if you have major issues. (It can't hurt) We haven't deployed it at work (I am the tech dept.) and we don't require it of our students (yet, I work at a univ) but... Eventually something is going to be written to exploit what SP2 fixes, and it's going to be a necessary evil. The built-in firewall is pretty cool - it's scriptable, and from my perspective that's much better than the crap from SP1! I always recommend backing up your data, doing a clean install of windows and going straight up to SP2. That's the best way to go with this. |
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Post by g3po on Sept 28, 2004 22:01:59 GMT -5
And THAT is why I use Linux. I don't regret it. It's free, it's safe and there are no viruses ;D That's absolutely not true. There are exploits for Linux applications and distributions as well as Windows. It's posts like this that really bother me, from the uninformed. Linux is NOT SAFE, especially when it isn't locked down, it's just as hackable as an unpatched W2K server. |
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Post by g3po on Sept 28, 2004 22:08:34 GMT -5
off topic but i need the help! my win 98 pc will click off after the window screen comes on. i know, everyone has been telling to reinstall windows is there any other way to 'fix' windows??
if not, you'll be seeing a lot less of me, a lot less
If it clicks off, continuously, you're stuck in a "boot loop". This means a critical windows file has been corrupted, and you're going to have to reinstall. HOWEVER, you might be able to "refresh" windows, meaning, installing windows over itself (leaving your files and programs intact). Trying doing a non-destructive install first, using a friends' disk if you can get one. Are you getting any kind of error? Any file missing or file corrupt error? Have you tried booting into safe mode? (Hit the F8 key after you BIOS screen flashes) OR! You can book off of a knoppix CD. www.knoppix.net/knoppix is awesome, it's Linux that fits on, and boots off of a CD. You don't need to do anything. It looks like windows, so don't be scared that you're going to get dumped to some scary command prompt. Once you're in knoppix you can look at your hard drive and see your data, possibly moving an uncorrupted file to your drive, etc, and doing some work that way. It's worth a try. If anything, you can still browse the Internet using Konquerer as long as your network card is recognized! (bonus!) Hope this helps! |
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Post by emilis on Sept 28, 2004 23:20:10 GMT -5
That's absolutely not true. There are exploits for Linux applications and distributions as well as Windows. Yeach, sure, but consider this: Windows is a paradise for viruses bacause there are small differences between two computers with the same version. Linux needs to be configured for just one computer. It can comunicate with others, but one that writes virus which is working on his (or hers) computer cannot be sure that it will work on any other... Oh just one more thing... I allways recomend backup too, but updating liux doesn't require installing all system from the begining. You just make it where you need to |
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Post by pyro on Sept 30, 2004 10:57:14 GMT -5
If it clicks off, continuously, you're stuck in a "boot loop". This means a critical windows file has been corrupted, and you're going to have to reinstall. HOWEVER, you might be able to "refresh" windows, meaning, installing windows over itself (leaving your files and programs intact). Trying doing a non-destructive install first, using a friends' disk if you can get one. Are you getting any kind of error? Any file missing or file corrupt error? Have you tried booting into safe mode? (Hit the F8 key after you BIOS screen flashes) cant get into safe mode, can you explain more about the nondistructive windows install? im not getting any errors of the kind, pc kicks off right before the 'windows' opening im going to try this see if it works, thanks your better then the lazy gateway tech help! |
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Post by g3po on Sept 30, 2004 22:12:11 GMT -5
Oh just one more thing... I allways recomend backup too, but updating liux doesn't require installing all system from the begining. You just make it where you need to Windows doesn't either. On a well maintained system, installing SP2 doesn't crash your machine. I've successfully installed it on all the machines I own that have XP (3). But, I'm an administrator, so I expect that. You can recompile until the cows come home. A new kernel comes out and KAPOW, forget to recompile that package you had and kernel panic. Linux is not the easy end-all solution to everything. You need to be an admin to use it - even Mandrake is not for most home users. I use it because I understand how to. Most people don't. That doesn't make them stupid. Most people don't change the oil on their car either. And, most people don't change the motor on their blender when it breaks, they buy a new one. Don't criticize people for using Windows as though Linux is holier-than-thou because it isn't. You want a stable operating system don't use a computer, because nothing out there is completely secure or stable. Oh yeah, and when Linux reaches 10% of the marketshare, has a LEGAL dvd player, as well as more than 10 games sold for it let me know. I'll put it on my parents' PC. Until then, the world will remain Windoze. |
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Post by g3po on Sept 30, 2004 22:17:23 GMT -5
cant get into safe mode, can you explain more about the nondistructive windows install? im not getting any errors of the kind, pc kicks off right before the 'windows' opening Well, stick the CD in, and boot off of it (if you can, some 98 CDs are bootable and some are not), so you may need a Boot Floopy. If you ask nicely I can put an image of a boot floppy online for you to download. Anyway, just put the 98CD in the drive, and it will recognize windows is already installed. What it will do is "repair" the disk by installing a fresh copy of windows. SOMETIMES this works, keeping your personal files and programs intact. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. But, it can't be any worse than what you're already experiencing. im going to try this see if it works, thanks your better then the lazy gateway tech help! I am tech help. At least, where I work I am. Anyway, this'll at least let you look at your files! You can IM/Email me instead of use this board - we're kinda getting off topic. Let me know how it goes! |
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Post by emilis on Oct 1, 2004 1:23:50 GMT -5
Don't criticize people for using Windows as though Linux is holier-than-thou because it isn't. I don't agree with you in most of what you have written but that thing is NOT TRUE. I don't criticese people for using Windows, I criticise Windows itself and its makers... |
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Post by the ghost of pyro on Oct 2, 2004 22:21:32 GMT -5
Well, stick the CD in, and boot off of it (if you can, some 98 CDs are bootable and some are not), so you may need a Boot Floopy. If you ask nicely I can put an image of a boot floppy online for you to download. Anyway, just put the 98CD in the drive, and it will recognize windows is already installed. What it will do is "repair" the disk by installing a fresh copy of windows. SOMETIMES this works, keeping your personal files and programs intact. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. But, it can't be any worse than what you're already experiencing. i got my labtop stolen last week  so you dont have to worry about putting it online ok, when i get my replacement, ill let you |
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Reminds me of I, Robot!!! ;D
I had Toshiba tech support helping me for hours yesterday & couldn't get to the System Restore through safe mode or "run" or any other means. We uninstalled the update & that's when the damn thing wouldn't come back on. 
if it breaks, it's easier for me to fix 
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so you dont have to worry about putting it online