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Post by pojo on Oct 19, 2003 15:07:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this thread has been done before, I'm new so don't get annoyed or anything.
Anyway, does anyone know any information on Preston's sword fighting style? The name, related websites, that sort of thing. Kurt Wimmer says the name in the commentary, but it isn't very clear so I couldn't understand it, I know he said 'Blind Swordsman' though.
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Post by Rephus on Oct 19, 2003 18:06:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this thread has been done before, I'm new so don't get annoyed or anything. Anyway, does anyone know any information on Preston's sword fighting style? The name, related websites, that sort of thing. Kurt Wimmer says the name in the commentary, but it isn't very clear so I couldn't understand it, I know he said 'Blind Swordsman' though. its like "BLind Kenshi" because is he said "Blind Swordman" then its "Blind Kenshi" cause Kenshi means like master with the sword in japanese. Thats what i know about it.
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Post by Coolhand on Oct 20, 2003 7:33:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a little curious about this one as well. I've seen quite a few movies where people alternate "overhand" style sword grips and "underhand" style grips. Does this really happen in real swordfights, or is the old "underhand" grip a movie invention that looks cool but isn't really practical? I'm sure the legion of Martial Artists in the EQ community can help us out with this one. I think Rutgar Hauer in "Blind Fury" used the Preston underhand grip as well. And he WAS blind in that film. So maybe that's what Kurt's refering too.
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Post by Coolhand on Oct 20, 2003 8:01:53 GMT -5
HOLY CRAP, I just noticed I'm a Cleric! ;D At last...at long last...mwa HA HA!Ahem. I'm better now.
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 20, 2003 8:08:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a little curious about this one as well. I've seen quite a few movies where people alternate "overhand" style sword grips and "underhand" style grips. Does this really happen in real swordfights, or is the old "underhand" grip a movie invention that looks cool but isn't really practical? I'm sure the legion of Martial Artists in the EQ community can help us out with this one. I think Rutgar Hauer in "Blind Fury" used the Preston underhand grip as well. And he WAS blind in that film. So maybe that's what Kurt's refering too. No, In ancient times there are storys and fables from Chinese folk lore that talks about various different styles of sword fighting. There is a very well known legend about a blind swords men who faught with that same underhand style that Preston uses. That is what Wimmer is referning to. It is hard to say if this is true history or not, the most famous underhand swordsmen in hostory would be Takamura. For a nearly historical account of this hero, you should see the film "Shoguns Ninja" with Sonny Chiba as the shogun and Hiroyuki Sanada as Takamura. long live chiba
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Post by Coolhand on Oct 20, 2003 8:17:23 GMT -5
Ah, I see. So it is a real fighting style, then.
So what are the advantages in holding a sword underhand like that? Is it supposidly faster, or something?
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 20, 2003 8:58:41 GMT -5
Ah, I see. So it is a real fighting style, then. So what are the advantages in holding a sword underhand like that? Is it supposidly faster, or something? Well, thats a good question. This style of sword fighting is a much more defensive style. You would usually see it used with two swords, and so the side of your for arms become bladed and you have amazing blocking enhancement. In all martial arts, the block is the most important move in any combat because it sets you up for a counter move. This is very true in sword fighting and so, with two underhand swords; you will see many chances for counter attack. Here is what Im talking about Notice the way Hiroyuki Sanada is holding his blades here. Both of his arms are not only now edged weapons, but he can use them to block attacks from any edged or blunt weapon. A great example of this is when some one tries to use a woden bow staf on this technique and a simple block splits the staf in half.
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Post by Coolhand on Oct 20, 2003 9:22:01 GMT -5
Ah, right. Thanks for enlightning us there, ClericRyan. I'd always wondered if that whole underhand thing was a real style (i'd hoped it was because it lookes so damn cool in the flicks). ;D So I assume that underhand = a more defensive fighter, whereas overhand = a more agressive fighter? Or is that a bit too much of a generalisation?
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 20, 2003 9:38:27 GMT -5
Ah, right. Thanks for enlightning us there, ClericRyan. I'd always wondered if that whole underhand thing was a real style (i'd hoped it was because it lookes so damn cool in the flicks). ;D So I assume that underhand = a more defensive fighter, whereas overhand = a more agressive fighter? Or is that a bit too much of a generalisation? Although it is a generalisation, it is some what correct, there are a few other styles of sword fighting as well, for example 'One hand sword fighting' the way Master Li Mu Bai fights in CTHD. Notice his left hand is always behind his back.
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Post by KillBill on Oct 20, 2003 15:18:47 GMT -5
Ack, im glad no one answered it, if u said "Blind Swordsman" than i believe u r referring to "Zatoichi The Blind Swordsman", its an old series of Japanese flicks in the 1950's, the newest installment to this series is already out in japanese cinemas as we speak (since sept. i believe). Anyways, he has a trademark scene which involves a group of ppl surrounding him and he completely wipes them all out with several sword slashes, since preston does a simialr action durin the end of EQ, That should be the scene that Kurt "borrowed" from Zatoichi.
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Post by Trinity on Oct 20, 2003 16:07:19 GMT -5
ClericRyan, your knowledge is highly impressive!!! WoW! ;D
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Post by MAX on Oct 20, 2003 19:09:17 GMT -5
What do you expect? He's Dupont's Homeboy! ;D
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 21, 2003 8:17:46 GMT -5
What do you expect? He's Dupont's Homeboy! ;D exactamundo ! I should have mentioned the old TV Series that features Zatoichi. Zatoichi IS a historical character, although it is unknown if he actully existed, or if he was just a fairy tail. Sort of a King Arthor of Japanese history
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Post by KillBill on Oct 21, 2003 15:57:57 GMT -5
"exactamundo !" , lol, Pulp Fiction eh?
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 21, 2003 21:43:51 GMT -5
"exactamundo !" , lol, Pulp Fiction eh? it is the best film ever made
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Post by Trinity on Oct 21, 2003 22:06:17 GMT -5
What do you expect? He's Dupont's Homeboy! ;D Very true.
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Post by Cleric Baltaak on Oct 23, 2003 7:12:44 GMT -5
Very true. Is Cleric Ryan therefore considred another Brandt? ;D
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 23, 2003 8:43:57 GMT -5
Is Cleric Ryan therefore considred another Brandt? ;D lol
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Post by Trinity on Oct 23, 2003 19:30:50 GMT -5
Is Cleric Ryan therefore considred another Brandt? ;D L.O.L.! ;D Cleric Baltaak...it's wonderful to hear from you. Seems like it's been a little while.
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Post by Golgo13 on Oct 24, 2003 2:58:05 GMT -5
For a nearly historical account of this hero, you should see the film "Shoguns Ninja" with Sonny Chiba as the shogun and Hiroyuki Sanada as Takamura. long live chiba he also played in the live-action rendition of the Golgo 13 anime series called "Golgo 13: Assignment Kowloon". I haven't seen it, but from what I hear it was a bomb and sucked horribly. The Golgo13 animes are quite cool, however.
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 24, 2003 9:46:25 GMT -5
he also played in the live-action rendition of the Golgo 13 anime series called "Golgo 13: Assignment Kowloon". I haven't seen it, but from what I hear it was a bomb and sucked horribly. The Golgo13 animes are quite cool, however. My question is this, has animie EVER translated to real life action and drama? thought so AND, making statments like " I heard it sucked " Thats pretty brutal, why dont you see it and then give an actual opinion, instead of throwing around a second hand opinion as if its a fact.
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Post by KillBill on Oct 24, 2003 14:47:20 GMT -5
Hey, Hey, don't get so brutal there, now, fellas. We're all here to enjoy ourselves from this harsh unfair evil world (damn pricks who didnt release EQ nation-wide!!!), so y not just find peace in a forum... anyways, Sonny WAS recently in Kill Bill Volume 1!!! and that movie rocked, so, its not an actors fault if a movie sux or watnot, blame it on the script,lol.
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Post by ClericRyan on Oct 25, 2003 13:14:46 GMT -5
Hey, Hey, don't get so brutal there, now, fellas. We're all here to enjoy ourselves from this harsh unfair evil world (damn pricks who didnt release EQ nation-wide!!!), so y not just find peace in a forum... anyways, Sonny WAS recently in Kill Bill Volume 1!!! and that movie rocked, so, its not an actors fault if a movie sux or watnot, blame it on the script,lol. I just get pissy when people make statements like" I HEARD IT WAS CRAP" 2nd hand opinions are crap
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Post by Golgo13 on Oct 26, 2003 4:49:37 GMT -5
My question is this, has animie EVER translated to real life action and drama? thought so AND, making statments like " I heard it sucked " Thats pretty brutal, why dont you see it and then give an actual opinion, instead of throwing around a second hand opinion as if its a fact.
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Post by Golgo13 on Oct 26, 2003 4:50:08 GMT -5
My question is this, has anime EVER translated to real life action and drama? If by that you mean to ask if the transition was ever done before, then yes (see: Crying Freeman & Fist of the North Star). I haven't seen the live-action FotNS, but I did watch the Crying Freeman live action one and it was pretty decent. If you mean "Does the transfer from animation to live-action equivocate well?" then I would have to say no. Just going off the opinions of some of those that have seen it. I haven't seen it yet to be able to form an opinion myself, so I am unbiased and neutral to it until I can find a copy of it to watch. That's what I intend on doing. By no means did I intend to portray the evident opinions of others as any sort of fact in the matter. Hell, I know some people that thought EQ sucked. I watched it for myself and thought that they were all crazy.
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Post by pojo on Oct 26, 2003 5:15:39 GMT -5
I've seen the live action FoTNS, it's perhaps one of the most awful films I've ever seen in my life. It's worth watching just to see how bad it is.
On an unrelated note, people listen to what others say. If I heard something is crap, I'll take their comment on board, but I won't formulate my own opinions until I see the movie myself. That's what people do, that's why theres film critics in magazines, tv programs, and websites.
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Post by Alex on Oct 26, 2003 7:26:28 GMT -5
About first question in this thread, it is "Zatouichi" as Killbill wrote. I finally saw Kurt Wimmer's commentry with Japanese subtitle and understand what he says.
Nobody knows Takeshi Kitano(Beat Takeshi)? A famouse filme maker. Kiillbill wrote about original Zatouichi already, so I won't repeat it, Kitano Takeshi remaked the story very recently and it got silver prize Venezia. I guess you can see it in not so long time. His Japanese sword action in the film is very wonderful and cool too.
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Post by GunDamd on Oct 27, 2003 20:42:09 GMT -5
Its been a while, dont know if any body remebers me, but anyways. Holding a sword underhand is not just one style, there are many different styles that utilise an underhand grip. Chinese Butterfly knives utilise an underhand grip, as does Ninjitsu swordfighting techniques. The Sai is used in both underhand and overhand styles, as well as the other techniques.
In my experience, when a sword is flipped to underhand, it is usually when the combatant is getting ready to get really close to the opponent. The blade is held covering the forearm to use empty hand blocks but because there's a blade your arms dont get cut off. In extreme close range, the standard sword hold is bested by the under hand blade as the time it takes to build up the momentum to hit someone and do reasonable damage, someone holding a flipped blade could have taken 2 or so good shots, and because of the blade position, doesnt have to wind up the shot.
I have no idea what Wimmer based the style used in Equilibrium on, but there is a wealth of underarm styles that he could have gotten influence from. I gotta say, its not as innovative as the Gun Kata, I wasnt really impressed with it, as I have seen much better sword fighting in other films, but then again, its VERY HARD to top the weapons fighting in Samo Hung's " The Odd Couple". ;D
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Post by sabeltandcavia on Oct 28, 2003 15:31:35 GMT -5
Underhand sword techniques are usually for extreme close quarters. By holding the sword paralel to your arm, you drastically reduce the space you need to move around. Though you require much less space to move, your blows aren't anywhere near as powerful as from an overhand strike.. underhand sword play is usually done with short swords..
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Post by Coolhand on Oct 29, 2003 6:52:54 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of depth to this! Mind you, I suppose thousands of years of thought has gone into sword fighting, so the depth is logical. I have actually read a couple of books on iado and Kenjitsu, but they didn't go into any of this so I obviously have a lot more to learn. So the final Preston Vs Brandt fight DOES follow this logic. Brandt comes in with an overhand strike, which Preston evades, gabbes a Katana, comes inside Brandts defenses and nails him with a series of underhand strikes before Brandts overhand grip will let him respond. Ahhhhh....I see. Question: I know that overhand grips on Katana's allow people to cut other people clean in half, but would an underhand grip give you enough power to cut away the front of someone's head as seen in EQ? And can anyone recommend any movies that show swordfights that are not only cool but also good demonstrations of real technuiqes and tatics?
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