Board Home | Search | Login The Resistance HQ :: The Nethers (off-topic forums) :: Evidentiary Reports :: Batman Begins Page 1 of 4 » Jump to page   Go     Author Topic: Batman Begins (Read 2,633 times) MANIMAL Grammaton Cleric member is offline HONY SOYT QUI MAL PENCE Joined: Mar 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 228 Location: TEXAS Batman Begins « Thread Started on Jun 14, 2005, 6:46pm » well i might as well start it off im going to the midnight showing tonight so about 2:30AM central time my lil opinion on the movie should be up Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "This aint no sipping tea" http://czamora.modblog.com JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #1 on Jun 14, 2005, 7:11pm » I've got my tickets already and I was just going to start a thread for this but you beat me to it. I know we have tons of Bale/Batman threads but this one is the Official Batman Begins reviews thread. Just a few hours to go... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show MANIMAL Grammaton Cleric member is offline HONY SOYT QUI MAL PENCE Joined: Mar 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 228 Location: TEXAS Re: Batman Begins « Reply #2 on Jun 15, 2005, 2:41am » well im back its 2:35 here in texas and i have to say i loved this movie.........IMO the best Batman movie that has been released this batman movie is the way it should of been done back in the day so ya i wont say to much cuz well dont want to spoli movie but i thought Bale did great as batman and i like the whole story line and so forth Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "This aint no sipping tea" http://czamora.modblog.com skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #3 on Jun 15, 2005, 4:13am » I've got my tickets to see it tonight with a friend...and tomorrow afternoon with another set of friends...and saturday with another set of friends...just passing the hours til then... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #4 on Jun 15, 2005, 5:08am » OMG!!! This is my favorite movie so far this year and certainly the best Batman film so far. I really was worried if Nolan could pull off action and he blew me away!! Thank you Kurt Wimmer for showing the world that Bale could do action!!! I'm still a tad bewildered by it all so I'm hitting the sack and I'll get back to this in the morning... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show Mallory Grammaton Cleric member is offline Joined: Jul 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 281 Re: Batman Begins « Reply #5 on Jun 15, 2005, 5:09am » I just got back from seeing it. It was great, I love this movies. Have to agree with Manimal it's the best Batman movies made and Christian Bale was perfect as the Dark Knight. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged TheMacroprosopus Grammaton Cleric First Class Agent of Divine Retribution member is offline Days pass; time flies; you don't realize. Joined: Jan 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,437 Location: Ontario, Canada Re: Batman Begins « Reply #6 on Jun 15, 2005, 7:40am » The following is from the Toronto Sun PLOT: This is a full chronicle of Bruce Wayne/Batman's tragic life story, his Freudian guilt, his martial arts training, the origins of his fear-based persona and his initial awkward, then effective attempts to rid Gotham of crime. THE BATMAN saga, once thought to be dead on screen, was only hibernating. With a dynamic new approach, Batman Begins revives the once-proud franchise. While radically different in style and story content, the new movie is also the entertainment match for Tim Burton's gonzo Gothic version, the 1989 Batman with Michael Keaton. Not better, just different. But be prepared, Batman Begins is darker, scarier and more psychologically-driven. British director Christopher Nolan (of Memento fame), Welsh actor Christian Bale (of American Psycho notoriety) and screenwriter David S. Goyer combine their talents to re-invent the Gotham crime-fighter -- from the underground up. The film starts in childhood (Bruce Wayne is played then by Gus Lewis). The boy falls down an abandoned well, is terrorized by bats and develops an abject fear of the winged mammals. This fear is directly connected to events which lead to the murder of his parents by a thug (not the future Joker). When he grows up, guilt drives Wayne (now hauntingly played by Bale as a complex flesh-and-blood character) into exile in the Far East. He examines the criminal mind, wrestles with his lust for vengeance and falls in with a mentor (Liam Neeson) and a shadowy assassin, Ra's Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe). By the time Wayne is repatriated to the U.S. and back in the care of family butler Alfred (the drily amusing Michael Caine), he is ready for action. But this is a slow process. Nolan plays out the saga in a highly realistic way, at least for a comic book creation devised by Bob Kane 66 years ago. We see how Wayne uses what haunts him -- bat-fear -- in developing an alter ego, which is closer to his tormented true self than the playboy image he projects as Bruce Wayne. There is a Freudian subtext beneath the story. We also see how the new nippleless bat-suit is designed and where the bat-toys and futuristic Batmobile come from at Wayne Enterprises, with the help of a sympathetic Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman offers much-needed, upbeat sarcasm). There is logic in each step, physically and psychologically. So this Batman is truly the Dark Knight, owing as much to Frank Miller's graphic novels as he does to Kane's early comics and the past movies. This Batman is an almost fatally flawed man whose internal demons are as scary as the rogue's gallery of villains, such as demented pyschiatrist Jonathan Crane (Cillian Murphy), aka The Scarecrow, and the old-time mob boss Carmine Falcone (Tom Wilkinson). On the good guys side, a strong Gary Oldman is cast against type as cop James Gordon (although he looks like Ned Flanders of The Simpsons). But miscast Katie Holmes looks stunned and sounds robotic as a crusader in the DA's office. Overall, there is none of the camp of the 1960s, none of the smirk that made Keaton so mischievous and none of the crap that nearly doomed the franchise in Batman Forever (1995) and Batman & Robin (1997). Unlike Val Kilmer and George Clooney, Bale never has to say, "I'm sorry!" Interestingly, Nolan also plunks Batman down in a contemporary world, a minimally stylized, low-tech Chicago. The only problem, at least for audiences who could care less when "things blow up real good" in movies, the choppy action scenes are repetitive and boring. Still, that is the price you pay to see a $150-million blockbuster that occasionally panders to teen males. Everything else about Batman Begins feels fresh, new and exciting. --- BATMAN BEGINS 2 hours, 21 minutes Starring: Christian Bale, Katie Holmes, Liam Neeson Director: Christopher Nolan Rated: PG BOTTOM LINE: A comic book super-hero glides proudly again across the night sky. This newly imagined version of Batman is enthralling, except in overlong action sequences. -- Bruce Kirkland Sun Rating: 4 out of 5 Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #7 on Jun 15, 2005, 1:52pm » Just saw it. I liked it very much it ain't perfect but it was very good... I would have loved to see more medium/long shots of the hand to hand fighting (my perennial complaint). And...I dunno, it sorta lacked something. Maybe I'll figure it out after a few more viewings... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged FabioQelDroma Grammaton Cleric member is offline Libria...I congratulate you... Joined: Jul 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 332 Location: New York Re: Batman Begins « Reply #8 on Jun 15, 2005, 7:05pm » Liked it a lot...Christian Bale is a monster...the scenes he shares with Lian Nesson were Oscar material...the first half of the movie was perfect...after that I found somethings I didn't like but nothing to worry about.This is the best batman flick yet.But I have a feeling the second will be much better with things already established Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "If our Gods and our hope are nothing but scientific phenomena,then let us admit it must be said that our love is scientific as well" JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #9 on Jun 15, 2005, 9:03pm » I understand your sentiment since there are really two parts to this story the personal side and the save the world one. I like you have a stronger connection to the first aspect to the film but I understand the need for the second half. You just can't have a Batman film without a "save the world" element. Ok, I saw it a second time today and I still absolutely love it. Yes, the action is the "spastic" version but since this is a PG-13 and Nolan's first action flick I gave it somewhat a pass especially since he uses that same type of editing when the bats flutter. It really makes it feel like batman goes into "bat-mode." My favorite sequence is the sparing on the ice...WOW!!! I want to see that Batman with a blade now!!! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show Balefreak Resistance Member member is offline "calmly..cooly..entirely without pants!" Joined: Aug 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 63 Location: Mckinney, TX Re: Batman Begins « Reply #10 on Jun 15, 2005, 10:00pm » Well...aAll I can say is I feel like I just had SEX! I am basking int he afterglow! It was Freakin AWESOME! And Christian is the most awesome Batman! I am so excited that maybe FINALLY he will get the recognition he deserves! Thanks Kurt Wimmer for showing what we knew all along! Here's to a GREAT Summer! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Make Believe Farm Whippets home of Ch Gallery's Pocket Full of Gold, CR "Jake the Rake" 9-99-95 x 11-3-06 Whisperun MBF SOul patrol, Whisperun My Friend Flicka Xenia Onatopp- Bale Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline A CB addict and an EQ junkie Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 4,139 Location: in CB's bedroom Re: Batman Begins « Reply #11 on Jun 16, 2005, 10:39am » It's the best BATMAN film ever!!!!!!WHOOOOHOOO!!!!! I had a blast watching this film yesterday. Really worth the wait. CB's the MOST HANDSOME Bruce Wayne EVER!!!!!! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich."-an Iraqi protester. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." from the novel Absolute Power by David Baldacci "There's so much month left at the end of the money"-CQ "Life is full of pain.Get used to it.-A Long Kiss Goodnight wtf Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #12 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:18am » Quote: OMG!!! This is my favorite movie so far this year and certainly the best Batman film so far. I really was worried if Nolan could pull off action and he blew me away!! Thank you Kurt Wimmer for showing the world that Bale could do action!!! I'm still a tad bewildered by it all so I'm hitting the sack and I'll get back to this in the morning... All the film needed was at the end after the credits we have Kurt Wimmer show up on scream and yell "WHERE'S MY TWO DOLLARS!?" Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #13 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:19am » Saw it again today with a couple of friends who were seeing it for the first time...we loved it I just realized that while the fight action isn't just the way I would have liked it, it's still got a better sense of flow and continuity than other films I've had that complaint about. I can live with Begins' fights This quote I found on a news site sums up the film's attitude perfectly: "Like many people," says Bale, 31, "I've sat through these huge movies and thought, What went wrong? How come, when people have all that time and money, the talent for storytelling so often goes straight out the window?" And THAT'S why I enjoyed this film better than (don't flame me) SW Episode 3/ROTS. Favorite lines, anyone? "I never thanked you..." "And you'll never have to." ---------------- "It's not who I am underneath...but what I do...that defines me." Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged wtf Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #14 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:23am » Quote: Just saw it. I liked it very much it ain't perfect but it was very good... I would have loved to see more medium/long shots of the hand to hand fighting (my perennial complaint). And...I dunno, it sorta lacked something. Maybe I'll figure it out after a few more viewings... That's a common problem in Hollywood in "A-list" action films. They like filming hand to hand combat close up, and sometimes with "shakey cam." For instance, there was great fight choreagraphy in The Bourne Supremacy, but you couldn't see it due to the shakey cam closeups. AAAAUGH! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged wtf Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #15 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:29am » Just saw the film last night. Going to see it again over the weekend. All of us here are floored. The best Batman yet. I think Oldman summed up the film perfectly when he said "It's a two hundred million dollar art film." This is my first time to really partipate in the reports section. Should this thread be spoiler free? Not sure of the etiquette...before I say something like "I can't believe Alfred was actually made of out chocolate." Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #16 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:32am » Yeah...I like 'em like they did in Unleashed, for example. Clean action, you can see who's doing what to whom and you can really see the performers' skill. edit: Aikido Al - I personally just put a big "**********SPOILER ALERT**********" * before my post...no one's complained to me yet, so I guess that's good enough *not an actual spoiler alert. « Last Edit: Jun 16, 2005, 11:46am by skippythegator » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #17 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:58am » Quote: This is my first time to really partipate in the reports section. Should this thread be spoiler free? Not sure of the etiquette...before I say something like "I can't believe Alfred was actually made of out chocolate." Just clearly have a spoiler warning at the top. Something like this... ===============SPOILER!!!=============== All post answering it should also have this warning. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #18 on Jun 16, 2005, 12:02pm » Quote: I just realized that while the fight action isn't just the way I would have liked it, it's still got a better sense of flow and continuity than other films I've had that complaint about. I can live with Begins' fights See even though I would have liked to have seen more of the action the editing/filming in this film actually worked for me because the flurry of the action actually echoed the flurry of the bats. It visually emphasized the "bat" aspect of him. That is why the ice sparing is sooo good because he is actually not Batman yet and doesn't use this. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #19 on Jun 16, 2005, 12:06pm » I posted this on IMDb yesterday & I'll repost it here...my favorite scenes from the film... ===========Slight Spoilers========= 1. The sparing/training on the ice 2. Bruce's first return to the Bat cave. Absolutely beautiful money shot there as he stands surrounded by bats!! 3. The Tumbler chase 4. The metro crash 5. The hallucinations...all of them. (bahahahahah!!) The firebreathing horse was awesome!! 6. The failed "Matrix" jump. (the thought that went through my mind - "Everyone falls the first time."...bahahahah!!) 7. Scarecrow's blue eyes...WOW!!! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show TheMacroprosopus Grammaton Cleric First Class Agent of Divine Retribution member is offline Days pass; time flies; you don't realize. Joined: Jan 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,437 Location: Ontario, Canada Re: Batman Begins « Reply #20 on Jun 16, 2005, 12:19pm » Quote: "I can't believe Alfred was actually made of out chocolate." !!!! Really?? I kid. By reading the script, I know it's peanut butter. I'm sorry. I'm so very bored at work, and need some form of humour. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #21 on Jun 16, 2005, 5:21pm » Quote: See even though I would have liked to have seen more of the action the editing/filming in this film actually worked for me because the flurry of the action actually echoed the flurry of the bats. It visually emphasized the "bat" aspect of him. That is why the ice sparing is sooo good because he is actually not Batman yet and doesn't use this. That's a VERY good point. I didn't think of that.... Also: anyone notice that BEgins made IMDB's Top 250 list within its first 24 hours? That's gotta be some kind of record... For all you math junkies out there, here's IMDB's top 250 formula: weighted rank (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C where: R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating) v = number of votes for the movie = (votes) m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 1250) C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.8) Begins currently has a WR of 7.8, and 2,923 total votes. I have no idea what this means. Anyone care to enlighten me? « Last Edit: Jun 16, 2005, 5:37pm by skippythegator » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged DeadCleric Grammaton Cleric member is offline Joined: Aug 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 372 Location: UK Re: Batman Begins « Reply #22 on Jun 16, 2005, 6:44pm » Incredible! Just got back and it was AMAZING! Go see it! Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged My FAB Equilibrium wallpapers! JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #23 on Jun 16, 2005, 9:23pm » One thing that we have been talking about on IMDb is the fact that if you see this film on IMAX it makes seeing the action scenes even worse. Another thing about the action...the fluttering of the bats as well as the fluttered action remined me ALOT of The Birds. I don't think that this was done by accident. « Last Edit: Jun 16, 2005, 9:25pm by JenGe » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show Walldude Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Joined: Dec 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 2,060 Location: Denver Co USA Re: Batman Begins « Reply #24 on Jun 16, 2005, 11:01pm » Quote: Another thing about the action...the fluttering of the bats as well as the fluttered action remined me ALOT of The Birds. I don't think that this was done by accident. I'm sure it wasn't. There were a few nods to Hitch in Memento and Insomnia. I remember reading an interview with Nolan where he says Hitch was a huge influence on him. I tried to find it but couldn't. The only mention I could find was this: If Nolan won't talk about a movie he's making, he loves to talk about films he never touched. He was seven when he saw Star Wars and had already shot and screened his first films by the time the empire struck back. He went on to discover films by Alfred Hitchcock, Billy Wilder, and John Frankenheimer, anything where bad snowballs to worse and Raymond Chandler's shadow lurks in the background. "To me," Nolan said over the crash of water on the roof, "classic noir is winding up halfway through a film and thinking, "How the hell did we get here?" Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged If security you want, create a society that no one wishes to attack you must.- YODA JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #25 on Jun 17, 2005, 1:56am » Very interesting Walldude!! Thanks for posting that. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #26 on Jun 17, 2005, 8:16am » New stats from IMDB: The regular rating is now at 8.6/10 (8,685 votes) It's now ranked #83 in the top 250, with a rating of 8.2 from 8685 votes. Don't ask me why the rating is different here So in a nutshell, the number of votes more than doubled, and the rating went UP. I'd very much like to see how far this film can go... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged bikemama Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #27 on Jun 17, 2005, 10:24am » I'm going on this weekend. I'm quite excited, after all you wrote... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged skippythegator Guest Re: Batman Begins « Reply #28 on Jun 17, 2005, 12:34pm » ROFLMAO Someone on IMDB suggested a title for the sequel... "Batman Agains" It's so shallow that I became stupider just reading it...but for some reason it really cracked me up Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Batman Begins « Reply #29 on Jun 17, 2005, 12:53pm » Quote: Also: anyone notice that BEgins made IMDB's Top 250 list within its first 24 hours? That's gotta be some kind of record... For all you math junkies out there, here's IMDB's top 250 formula: weighted rank (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C where: R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating) v = number of votes for the movie = (votes) m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 1250) C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.8) Begins currently has a WR of 7.8, and 2,923 total votes. I have no idea what this means. Anyone care to enlighten me? Nope, I'm in the dark with you... I did notice the ranks increase today. Awesome!!! The boards at IMDb are going so fast now it really is difficult to keep up. 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