Board Home | Search | Login The Resistance HQ :: Resistance Forums :: Resistance Discussions :: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline Author Topic: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline (Read 836 times) JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Thread Started on May 10, 2005, 6:31am » I am pleased to announce the very first fan article for the site... Ideas on Libria's Timeline by Judas Austin I want to personally thank Judas for taking the time to do this and add her ideas about EQ's world to the site. Very interesting!! I have to admit that I really had not thought about this aspect at all and I find the ideas presented quite intriguing. « Last Edit: Sept 28, 2006, 12:51pm by JenGe » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show Witcher Wolf Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Monster hunter for hire. Will work for Orens! Joined: Oct 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 4,772 Location: UK - England Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #1 on May 10, 2005, 6:53am » *slow claps Judas* Nicely done there m'dear, I think you've opened a new window onto Equilibrium with your article and I certainly won't be throwing any rotten foodstuffs -- since you already know my feelings/position on your work and especially Immune. I will however be the first to tear the arm off anyone who does throw rotten fruit and veg, haven't had my intake of fresh meat today. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Ashes: my EQ Fiction The Chronicles of Wyrden: Webcomic TheMacroprosopus Grammaton Cleric First Class Agent of Divine Retribution member is offline Days pass; time flies; you don't realize. Joined: Jan 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,437 Location: Ontario, Canada Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #2 on May 10, 2005, 8:01am » Wow. Yeah, that was awesome! Excellent points. And, whatever limb Wolf doesn't rip off, I'll rip off; That article doesn't deserve rotten food tossed at it at all. Now I've gotta work extra hard on mine. Even then, it isn't gonna come close. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Witcher Wolf Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Monster hunter for hire. Will work for Orens! Joined: Oct 2003 Gender: Male Posts: 4,772 Location: UK - England Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #3 on May 10, 2005, 11:43am » I've finished my small look at the Grammaton Clerics, got inspired today and you know how fast I write LOL... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Ashes: my EQ Fiction The Chronicles of Wyrden: Webcomic TheMacroprosopus Grammaton Cleric First Class Agent of Divine Retribution member is offline Days pass; time flies; you don't realize. Joined: Jan 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 1,437 Location: Ontario, Canada Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #4 on May 10, 2005, 12:00pm » Quote: I've finished my small look at the Grammaton Clerics, got inspired today and you know how fast I write LOL... Haha, same here. I was expecting to take like...two days... Nah, two hours, maximum, and I'd written more than I write for most school essays. I just can't send it to Jen. Her mail rejected me. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #5 on May 10, 2005, 12:27pm » To Wolf & Stuponfucious I have commented about your articles here... A call for site assistance: Fan Articles The thread has now been returned to it's regular scheduled reading & posting... « Last Edit: May 10, 2005, 12:34pm by JenGe » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "We accept the reality of the world with which we are presented." - Truman Show Sontin-JudasFm Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Joined: May 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 998 Location: Back in Surrey! YAY!!! Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #6 on May 10, 2005, 12:30pm » Thanks Stupon and Wolfie I always get a little nervous whenever I try out a new idea...particularly a kind of non-fiction-in-a-fiction-universe one I'm pleased it went down well Looking forward to reading yours as well « Last Edit: May 10, 2005, 12:30pm by Sontin-JudasFm » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "One day they love us because we're unique. The next we're in jail because we're different." Zlang-Zlang Squid Says: Statistics show that no stationary object or parked car has ever hit a moving vehicle except in self defence. JenGe Evidentiary Storage Officer member is offline "Its just a vestigial word for a feeling you've never felt." Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,505 Location: Surfing the Net Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #7 on May 10, 2005, 12:39pm » Well, I hope you are proud of yourself Judas...I now have a slew of contributions because of you. Thanks!! 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Joined: Nov 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 3,138 Location: England Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #9 on May 20, 2005, 11:29am » I have to heap plentiful apologies on Judas. I wrote a reply as soon as the 'Timeline' article appeared, but reckon I must have only previewed it and not posted it (blame teacher-tiredness and probably one too many glasses of Sauvignon Blanc) Anyway...I loved the article. It made fascinating reading. I agree that those who built Libria didn't build Rome either...so it took a long time and a lot of manpower. What you says fits well with a lot of my ideas...you put them in a logical order. I really like the informed way you wrote this...a difficult and complex subject made immensely readable. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged ] Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. Sontin-JudasFm Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Joined: May 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 998 Location: Back in Surrey! YAY!!! Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #10 on May 21, 2005, 9:41am » Thanks for that, Libby; I'm glad it fit in with your ideas as well Like I said, it seems something that a lot of fans take for granted...me, I'm a perfectionist when it comes to detail, so I like to think these things through Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "One day they love us because we're unique. The next we're in jail because we're different." Zlang-Zlang Squid Says: Statistics show that no stationary object or parked car has ever hit a moving vehicle except in self defence. Aedh Evil Genius In Residence member is offline I don't like warriors. Give me a cold-blooded killer every time. Joined: May 2006 Gender: Male Posts: 8,060 Location: With my love. Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #11 on Aug 9, 2006, 10:33pm » Thanks for your well-written article. I find many of the arguments valid but I tend to set things back a bit, for the reason, made abundantly clear in the film, that so much EC-10 still survives, such as paperback books like the one Partridge was reading. Those are printed on paper with acid in it, and do not have a lifespan of centuries. They tend to disintegrate after about a hundred years, sometimes less than that. I collect old paperbacks, and the oldest one I have on acid paper is 1894; it was lovingly cared for for decades but is still very brittle. (My oldest is 1839, but it was printed on acid-free paper. Acid paper had not yet been invented.) Clothing, likewise, does not survive for centuries. In "Roses" I am not naming any years, but am thinking 2100 or so based on the following notions delved out of my own head: 1. WW3 to take place in 2020 or so. 2. Fifty years or so to build Libria. I am basing this on the fact that places that were Ground Zero in the War would not only have been devastated, but devastated with nuclear/chemical/biological weapons which would have made them uninhabitable for not only hundreds but thousands of years. Hence the location of Libria would be somewhere LESS touched by the war, and might still have many buildings and infrastructure relatively intact. 3. The later years of "building Libria" would have coincided with Father, whose regime I had calculated to have been about thirty years. Apparently this jibes with a statement from KW. 4. Give it another decade after the "building Libria" period is essentially over, maybe at the time of the "upheaval" spoken of in the movie, and another few years after the passing of Father and the regime of Father/Dupont. This would be the beginning of the decay of the regime, and bring us to the time of the film. 5. Finally, another twenty years is needed after the end of the film to bring us to the time of "Roses." This puts us at 2100 or shortly thereafter. This allows for the survival of sufficient EC-10. The Resistance people in the movie would not remember pre-War times, but their parents might have preserved some memories, and their grandparents would. This puts the pre-war time within "living memory," defined as the persistence of knowledge about what things were actually like, without total reliance on books or research. Thus: I do not remember World War One, but my grandparents remembered it well and passed on to me vignettes of what they remembered, tasted, touched, smelt, and felt, not to be found in any book. So I preserve a living memory of 1914-18, though it was nearly a hundred years ago, and I can still handle and see some of their keepsakes, which refreshes their stories. In just that way, the Resistance members in the movie preserve pre-War times. My kid will not preserve memories of 14-18 in the same was as me, because he did not hear it from the lips of those who were there; thus the living memory will perish with me, and all he will have will be, perhaps, some artifacts and written words. The feeling will be gone. This will be the situation in "Roses," where Equilibrium will be remembered by middle-aged people, who will also carry some of the "living memory" of pre-War times; but for their young adult children, now moving up into society, they will not preserve that. I should also mention that in the video Robbie is watching, Alexander the Great (d. 323 BC) is noted as "two millennia ago," which would still roughly fit up to 2100, but by 2400 it would be near enough to be spoken of as "three millennia ago." Location is very much less important, but still has to play some role. For no other reason than sheer whatchamacallit, I am finding it convenient to vaguely conceptualize Libria's approximate geographical location as somewhere in the North American Midwest, such as what had been Missouri or the western portion of Kentucky or Tennessee. I am postulating a few other surviving societies in the world; I have placed one in what is at present Korea or perhaps Manchuria; another somewhere in what is now the Mideast; and a third in what is now South America. All three are mentioned. One other specific place, New Rio, is mentioned as being in the South American area. I suppose there would be some others; locations in what is now Australia, central or southern Africa, and perhaps the Canadian West jell in my mind, but they are not mentioned at all. Transport between the areas is mentioned as existing, but very small scale and very expensive, by rare airships. Finally. much less important, in "Roses" I have given Libria the old Roman "kalendar" (="Kalends," first day of the month, when important ceremonies had to take place.) I have avoided numbering years, though people often speak of how many years ago something happened. Finally, I have retained our method of counting hours. It has survived so far since Babylonian times; I see no reason why it couldn't survive another War. « Last Edit: Aug 9, 2006, 11:02pm by Aedh » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Check out more dystopian/romantic sci-fi at the official Queen City website! >< >< >< Greyflower Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Joined: May 2006 Gender: Female Posts: 817 Location: Chelyabinsk, Russia Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #12 on Aug 11, 2006, 1:56am » On the location: does anybody here know if one of the two dials of the clerics' watches displayed GMT (or what they had instead in that world)? That would help find it out I think... Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged For us, to confess love is to acknowlege guilt. Sontin-JudasFm Grammaton Cleric First Class member is offline Joined: May 2003 Gender: Female Posts: 998 Location: Back in Surrey! YAY!!! Re: Fan Article: Ideas on Libria's Timeline « Reply #13 on Aug 29, 2006, 6:38am » Quote: Thanks for your well-written article. I find many of the arguments valid but I tend to set things back a bit, for the reason, made abundantly clear in the film, that so much EC-10 still survives, such as paperback books like the one Partridge was reading. Those are printed on paper with acid in it, and do not have a lifespan of centuries. They tend to disintegrate after about a hundred years, sometimes less than that. I collect old paperbacks, and the oldest one I have on acid paper is 1894; it was lovingly cared for for decades but is still very brittle. (My oldest is 1839, but it was printed on acid-free paper. Acid paper had not yet been invented.) Clothing, likewise, does not survive for centuries. That's a very good point, and one I hadn't considered, but my only real answer is this: It's not outside the realms of possibility that the Resistance could have got hold of a secret underground printing press. Most likely, it was done as soon as they realised what they would have to give up with Prozium. Underground presses have existed for decades now, after all (during World War 2, prisoners of war were able to produce their own newspaper known as Pow wow, and both the French and Dutch resistances did similar things; if they could do it, I'm sure the Librian Resistance could) Since then, it's just been a matter of reprinting existing books (Partridge's copy of Yeats had a somewhat bland, non-enticing cover that could have been produced by someone without artistic skills). Libria has printing presses, after all (there are textbooks in the room where Preston throws that guy through the wall). You're right in that many books probably would be lost, but then again, with other societies elsewhere (an idea I also share ) who's to say that they can't be found there, in translated versions? Just a thought. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged "One day they love us because we're unique. The next we're in jail because we're different." Zlang-Zlang Squid Says: Statistics show that no stationary object or parked car has ever hit a moving vehicle except in self defence. 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